BYU football: 11 incoming freshmen have arrived on campus

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  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    June 22, 2012 6:04 a.m.

    Heaps is gone. Get over it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 19, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Hope Tanner likes to run the Airforce option because he won't be throwing much under the new BYU fun-run offense. Can't imagine any QB prospect who can actually throw the ball going to BYU anymore. Little Reily Nelson is the new model for BYU QB. Glad I saved all those 1990's BYU game video - the good ole days when the Y was exciting to watch.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Sorry Ducky, I almost forgot...LOL!!

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    What is Ducky doing over here? Is she crazy? This is a story about BYU. This is really strange...

    June 19, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    east of utah, I'm a BYU fan and I do think they have a good group coming in. I do not however see their class as anywhere near a top five ranking by any publication (they generally bring in smaller classes in number anyways so it's unlikely they could reach the required point total no matter how well things were going).

    I'm not sure what to expect for the upcoming season. The defense should be quite good but, I really do wonder how Nelson will do against the better defenses on the schedule.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    Duckhunter - you are mistaken - as a grayshirt they are not allowed to be on the team. While grey-shirting, players are not on the team. They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students - paying their own way and not taking a full load.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 19, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    I hope they have been told to field punts and kiss Bronco's ring. As long as they realize that ability has nothing to do with playing time on the field they will be happy at BYU. If some of them expect to play because they are the best at their position, they may have to transfer.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2012 3:03 p.m.


    By grey shirting they can attend school, and get some credits out of the way, without their eligibility clock kicking in. My guess is they have time before they are 19 to get a semester out of the way. Yes they are on the team while they do it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2012 3:00 p.m.


    Not "fail", he is correct. All you have to do is average out the approximately 25 players coming into the program that year, whether they are fresh out of high school or fresh off of missions. Those averages balance out exactly where sammyg says they do.

    You do realize BYU has that many new recruits and returned missionaries every single year don't you? And you do realize they all had rankings coming out of HS don't you? Just take those players and figure the average, even if you want to not count for the HS recruits leaving directly on missions, which is fine, you still get that average by figuring all incoming players.

    I understand it is hard for a utah "fan" to get math but hopefully this will help you.


  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 19, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    Another solid recruiting class. There are several stars in the making here.

    Butch could be another Poppinga, Van Noy, impact player.

    Mangum will be a star in about four or five years. If he gray shirts, can he work out with the team, practice with the team, etc? I thought he was leaving for a mission directly out of high school. I was surprised that he is attending BYU.

    Williams probably has the most opportunity to make an impact as a Freshman. I expect Williams and Hine to get regular playing time at RB in most games. Juice and Alisa will carry the load, but Williams and Hine could get 3 to 5 carries each per game.

    I can't wait for September. I guarantee the Cougars will win the opening game.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 19, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    "If you add the return missionaries to their recruiting class and take the top 25 athletes joining the program each year, BYU consistently averages 2.75 to 3.1 stars and would rank between 25-35 each year' TJ


    One must also SUBTRACT out leaving missionaries. Can't have it both ways.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    You are obviously a Y detractor trying to get a rise. Although BYU does have some very good athletes coming in this year, no one, from any legitimate service, ranked BYU's incoming class in the top 30.
    BYU averaged between 2.8 and 3.0 stars for this class depending on which service you look at. Comparatively, the U averaged between 2.8 and 3.1 this class depending on which service you look at. Scout ranks on total points for the top 25 recruits. Because of the RM factor, BYU rarely has more than 15-18 athletes who count on any given recruiting class. Consequently, their total points rarely put them higher that the top 35-40 classes. The star average however, shows where their athletes rank compared to other schools, about even with the middle of the conference schools from the Big 10, Big 12 or PAC team.
    If you add the return missionaries to their recruiting class and take the top 25 athletes joining the program each year, BYU consistently averages 2.75 to 3.1 stars and would rank between 25-35 each year.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    June 19, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    I think Bronco hates that he drunk the bitter cup of the Heaps Hype. Yes, Bronco has learned a tough lesson, but the wearing of many hat's by a head coach comes with the territory. Yes many times a coach finds himself in the cross hairs, targeted saying somthing contradicting himself or his promises.

    With that said "Bronco hates more than a sense of entitlement" I am sure that this is a true statment, but on the other hand ?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    @two for flinching

    You are obviously easily taken in by utah trolls that make ridiculous posts pretending to be BYU fans.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2012 1:33 a.m.


    There isn't a single recruiting site in the known universe that has BYU's 2012 recruiting class anywhere near the top 25, much less the top 5. Although it is nice to see you are keeping up with the proud BYU tradition of making early season predictions of BYU contending for the NC. I've never seen one made 3-4 years in advance though.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 19, 2012 12:01 a.m.


    No, pretty sure Bronco has said that, repeatedly, in interviews.

    The fact that Heaps was a truly unique situation, that it could have been handled differently, but probably not better, appears to contradict that.

    I don't think it does. You can look at Heaps. I'll look at others who have worked to prove their worth, both highly rated scholarship athletes and walk-ons.

  • inthebooth Murray, UT
    June 18, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    I am soooo excited. This is one of the top 5 freshman classes in college football. Watch out because as they develop they will make a serious run for national title. Goooo Cougars!

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    June 18, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    east of utah,

    Are you kidding? California high schools have way more game than Utah high schools. Proof is in the numbers. BYU does not need to recruit only in state in order to get the best players. BYU has an international audience with an international fan and recruiting base.

  • Maverick West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    "Indeed, there are few things BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall hates more than a sense of entitlement from his incoming players." So when Heaps arrived with a sence of entitlement, Bronco gave him the starting QB job because "there's few things he hates worse than a sense of entitlement?" Seems like an assumption on the part of the journalist.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 18, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    I'm really excited for this Williams kid, can't wait to see him run. I'm curtailing my excitement for Mangum, I hope he works hard, gets a feel for the system and has a great mission.

  • east of utah Saint Joseph, MO
    June 18, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    I am a BYU fan and always have been. But only two of those kids are from Utah. If BYU is to remain relevant they have got to get the best in state kids. If the best in state kids are choosing to go elsewhere that speaks volumes about recent BYU decisions concerning their program.