Prison relocation group has yet to request proposals for developing Point of the Mountain

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  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    Of course the developers say this move needs to take place. They'll make millions of dollars while the taxpayers will be stuck with the tab. There's not a single cost/benefit analysis out there which demonstrates an overall financial benefit to the taxpayers on a prison move. But, the developers are pouring "donations" into enough political pockets to keep this on the radar.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    It's crazy how much our world has changed. Think about it. When the state prison was moved from Sugar House the land was turned into Sugar House Park. Now the state wants to move the prison to create the Ivory Homes/Al Mansell McMansion park.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    June 15, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Having been in a position that had access to prison construction costs and requirements, I believe that the cost to relocate it is more in the $1 Billion range. Prisons have unique requirements for sewer lines and they need dual/independent feeds for both power and communications lines. Rural areas like Rush Valley or any other logical place to put a new prison, does not have the level of communications, power, water, or sewage treatment facilities required to meet the needs. All these would have to be paid for some how. That was not taking into account on the last analysis.

    As for development of the current site, it is prime. But a new facility would have to be built before the current one is closed. The prisoners still need to be locked up. And acquisition of land and construction of a new facility/facilities will take a number of years.

    The concept has not be adequately vetted or publicly discussed. There is a whole lot of holes in the last analysis of costs and there has not been much factual, complete information forth coming on real costs of relocation. This project needs to move slowly with much more transparency.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    June 15, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    What a rediculous idea. I mean it is almost like the developers have to develop every single square inch of the salt lake valley, utah valley, and beyond. Anything to make them rich. Don't Utahns care about open space anymore?? There aren't many open spaces left, except in the barren landscapes that cannot be developed. Mountains are overdeveloped, now they want to make draper even more crowded than it already is. Yeah, great idea.

  • Mark Greer SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 15, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    Builder's & Politico's boondoggles never end. It's Back scratch fever ! Lets do SOMETHING ! This is not it. Not now. Not unless RioTinto wants to build it & gift it to us and maybe and use the prisioners to mine their ore!

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    June 15, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    Their analysis is incomplete if they are not considering the taxes that they are going to collect if this land is privatized. If done right, a development at this location will pay off for decades.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    June 15, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Just once, I'd like to see a deal put together by the Legislature that doesn't enrich the powerful at the expense of the taxpayer. I will be presently surprised if the prison relocation benefits the taxpayers.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    June 15, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    This is a potential boondogle that could cost Utah Taxpayers an incredible amount of money.Utah has really grown way too fast in the past decade and sustainability and infrastructure and quality of live has suffered. Real Estate developers would love to get hold of prime property especially if they could use taxpayers money to guarentee its success. Crime and violent criminals are on the increase so prison count is going up. It really makes little sense to potentially cost the state big bucks in this recession period.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    June 15, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    Rush Valley??

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    June 15, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Sounds like another socialize the loss (or expense) and privatize the gain schemes to me.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    June 15, 2012 5:59 a.m.

    I miss the days when the SL valley had separate cities, unlike today where they are all merged into one, and there are wall-to-wall people. Not just the SL Valley, but the whole Wasatch front. Heaven forbid there is an "undeveloped" area. I just hope my native Cache Valley doesn't become this way. I'm a free-enterprise type of person, generally, but I wish people would see the value in undeveloped areas, and that developers could just leave some parts alone. I guess it isn't in their DNA. Part of the problem is there are just too many people on the W. front (and of course LDS have lots of kids and I'm no exception) - how about some of yall move out of Utah and go to other places, like Virginia? (I left Utah when I was four, although I can't take credit for it, and I've been living outside of Utah ever since, except for college and visits to relatives.)

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 15, 2012 4:20 a.m.

    Is this another one of those deals where a developer and realtor promise there is no way for the taxpayer to lose but then come back after the prison has been moved and say, "well we are going need what ever taxing district to give up their share of tax revenue for the next twenty years so this development is viable."

    Is it one of those deals? I bet it is.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2012 12:02 a.m.

    Long term it will be profitable tax revenue wise to justify the move to other state owned land that isn't generating tax revenue now. The problem is finding the upfront money needed to construct the new prison and make the move. $450 million is hard to find in these difficult financial times. Another question is if that number covers the remediation of the current jail site.