New Mexico photographer loses third round of gay discrimination case, but attorneys vow fight isn't over

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  • kolob1 sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    Religious Freedom or Liberty is not a legal right. It is a right to practice your religion in your home and at your church. has absolutely nothing to do with . The US Constitution only promises freedom from religious persecution not freedom to do as you like in the public arena. Those who look to the legislature and the courts for their religious freedom have forsaken the role of their pastor, priest, Prophet or whatever. Faith can not be legally defined. In Iran faith and religion has legal definition. Itf this is what you want go to Iran. The LDS Church teaches to pray and find the answer within yourself, not in a statute or legal journal.

  • Beckyfromky Burlington, KY
    April 7, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    I don't understand why this photographer has no right to photograph who they want/don't want to photograph. I applaud them for standing to their belief. A business can refuse service to anyone right? No shirt Jo shoes no service? So a homeless person gets turned away if they haven't those items?

    This is another area where a Christ follower is to roll over and not be righteously angry over something they should be. Oh yeah, God's the first so many cry out to when time is tough, but to live by His teachings, they don't all apply? Don't get it....

  • mafg1953 Ionia, NY
    April 7, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    If she is forced to shoot the wedding, she should just tell the homosexual couple that all proceeds from the shoot will be donated to a charity or political action group that supports true marriage between a man and a woman. They may think twice before they force her to do the shoot.

  • What do you see Delray Beach, FL
    Aug. 26, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    You know that a line has been crossed when Same-Sex Marriage Groups are giving support to the photographer. This will go to the Supreme Court and the New Mexico Court will have egg on its face; especially when New Mexico do not support same sex partnerships. Talk about special interest groups within the juducial system with an agenda.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Aug. 23, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    The problem is that it is not up to you or to the government to determine whether or not my religious beliefs are violated. That's why we have the First Amendment.

  • CurtisLaneJensen Provo, UT
    Aug. 23, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    Great article, Matthew. Thank you for identifying the Box Turtle Bulletin quote. The rest of Kincaid's article was also great.

  • Forward Anthem, AZ
    Aug. 23, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    I see in this case a very grave and troubling restriction of liberties imposed by a partial law.

    Perhaps the Defense should have asked a more relevant question. Such as,“If a photographer being Hindu was asked to photograph an Orthodox Jew’s practice of a religious ceremony which included an animal sacrifice of a cow, could the photographer be accused of Religious discrimination for refusing to shoot the ceremony on grounds that he believes cows to be sacred.” Although the photographer would not be participating in the ceremony should the courts be able to require this Hindu photographer to take the job? I would stand and say emphatically, NO. Would this not infringe upon freedom of speech and compel unwanted expression?

    If Elane believes that eliciting sexual arousal in any person not your spouse and of opposite gender to be adultery, then photography of such an event would be considered pornography. So if her religious belief is to abstain from immorality including pornography, then compelling her to photograph such behavior would most definitely infringe upon her freedom of religion, and compel unwanted expression!

  • cspring Louisville, KY
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    RanchHand obviously doesn't have a clue about religious beliefs. You don't leave them at church when you go home or to work. Don't give me the garbage about business.

    Sound like these two people set him up. Maybe he can do the photographs when these folks separate. If they are litigious minded, it will be soon.

  • cspring Louisville, KY
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    RanchHand obviously doesn't have a clue about religious beliefs. You don't leave them at the door when you leave church.

    I'm pretty sure freedom of religion trumps a politically expedient verdict, especially in a state that doesn't recognize same sex marriage.

    The court is saying this individual, probably a one or two person business, had no right to decide with whom he does business. People who have never been in business no doubt.

    Sounds like this couple set him up. There is a telephone book (and the Internet) full of photographers. If he is forced to take the photos, he will probably be sued because the couple doesn't like the work.

    Maybe he can take photos when they separate. That would be good.

  • ChristianPatriot Wylie, TX
    July 15, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    Also, how did this business owner go from owning a private business to providing a public service? That is the scariest part of the story, in my humble opinion.

  • ChristianPatriot Wylie, TX
    July 15, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    Well, I doubt anyone would turn down any customer for dry cleaning because it doesn't require that you participate in their lifestyle. It's different when you're asking someone to help you celebrate your "special" day by recording it for posterity. I would consider that against my Christian faith. Please don't insinuate that I think I am without sin but don't assume that I want to just run amok sinning every minute of every day and completely turning against my faith and beliefs. I don't care if people are gay and I don't care if they marry. I do care if they MAKE me accept it as moral. Why is this not reverse discrimination?

    June 8, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    RanchHand has it absolutely right. Gay folks shouldn't have to figure out which businesses are willing to work with them if they need goods or services. What if you lived in a town and no dry cleaners would take your laundry? The idea that businesses can decide on who to serve because of their "personal beliefs" is ridiculous.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 8, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    If you are going to go into business, leave your religious beliefs at the entrance because you must abide by the laws.

    Your personal religious beliefs are not violated when you photograph a gay couple's committment ceremony or wedding. They're only violated if you are forced into a gay committment or marriage yourself, which, obviously is not the case here.