300-plus LDS Church members march in Pride parade

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  • mbd1978 Rigby, ID
    June 25, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    I am glad that active LDS are showing their love for LGBT people. Why was this ever in question? I have been an active LDS for nearly 12 years now, and all I have ever heard from the pulpit (in my ward, at GC, etc.) has been a message of love for those with same gender attraction. It is the sinful acts that are committed that the Church takes issue with. These are two separate issues. Just in case anyone was wondering, the Church also takes issue with heterosexuals who are not legally and lawfully married to each other engaging in sexual activity; pornography; polygamy; pedophilia; beastiality; lying, cheating, stealing, jealousy/envy, etc. The Church takes a stand against all of these sins, not just homosexual acts.
    Also, the Church stands for marriage between one man and one woman. This is seen as essential for entering the Kingdom of God, and to hold and defend this view is our right. We should not be persecuted when we, as fellow citizens of this country, express our beliefs and act politically to defend them.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2012 6:00 a.m.

    So will the hate speech from the LGBT community stop about LDS people? Or are they going to continue to try and stir the pot (like the two men that went on temple square drunk, and when asked to leave they refused and then claimed it was discrimination rather than their inappropriate behavior)?

    Does this mean that comments such as all LDS people are closed minded, intolerant, racists etc end?

    I hear alot from the LGBT community demanding tolerance and acceptance, but, you hear very little from the LGBT community talking about how they need to improve their attitude and accept that people are different than them.

    It's not just one side that needs to be tolerant, it needs to come from all sides.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    June 8, 2012 1:17 a.m.


    I know this won't make any difference.

    But I can't stand idly by and let your statement stand.

    You can believe whatever you want. If you want to make up your own rules, because they make sense to you, then you are free to do so. Fortunately, there are eternal truths that can't be altered or changed no matter what you believe.

    Imagine for a moment if we all wanted to change the physical laws around us? I decided one day that I don't like gravity. Or that I'm tired of getting old and I don't want to die. Or I'm tired of rain. There would be serious chaos, right? These laws cannot be altered or changed.

    God has also determined that there needs to be laws and rules concerning our behavior. There is such thing as right and wrong. Man cannot alter these or change them, no matter how he feels at that time in history. If not, chaos will result.

    Nobody would dispute that our world is in serious chaos.

    There is no sin in having homosexual tendencies, but to ACT out those tendencies is what's wrong.

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    June 7, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    Why should anyone be obligated to "Love" these folks? I don't hate them. I am polite and genuine to those I work with or, serve as customers. I don't mock them publically or privately. But, why should I accept and or support their actions? Homosexuality is simply wrong. Having marches, rainbow bumperstickers, and media-driven programming isn't going to drive them to mainstream status. If they want to act in a devient manner in the privacy of their own residences, fine. But, don't expect that the majority of Americans to roll out the red carpet.

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    So, if I go to the Mardi Gras parade, I will be able to find out what the main stream straight community really looks and acts like?

    Do not think that parades - especially ones like Mardi Gras and SF Gay Pride symbolize anything but a parade and sometimes brings out the wildest of characters!

    I think you have painted with a very broad brush all gays to equal exactly what you saw in SF. Would you want everyone to believe that Mardi Gras symbolizes what heterosexuals act and look like? Didn't think so.

    Be careful in your judging.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 7, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    Greg Iverson ought to take his family to San Francisco and watch the gay pride parade there. A word of warning - this is usually an XXX rated event. Yes go to the source of so-called "gay pride" and find out what the main stream gay pride community really looks and acts like. Just remember to leave your kids in the hotel. I think Greg would "adjust" his thinking a bit after returning from San Fran. I have had the unfortunate luck of experiencing first hand San Francisco gay pride. Yes God loves all his children but he does NOT love or condone their sinful debauchery!! God does say - "if ye love me keep my commandments". Sexual debauchery is NOT in keeping with God's commandments (read the New Testament).

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    June 7, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Years ago I knew people who would spend their Friday evenings going to parts of town to "beat up" gay guys.

    I never approved of that and still don't. I believe "marriage" should be between a man and a woman only. I also support the church's position that partner rights and benefits, fair housing, etc., should be had by one and all that we should be followers of Christ.

    Any time anyone sees fit to demean someone else for what ever reason, they are out of line. I don't care for orange and will not wear it or purchase anything that is orange if I can possibly avoid it, but I'm certainly not going to abuse someone who likes it.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    June 6, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    I have gay family members, I love them very much, and I show my love far away from Pride Parades. I have researched homosexual issues thoroughly and have discovered that powerful people have been misinforming us about homosexual issues. Pride parades are not the best way to show love for gay persons.
    3 reasons-
    1 Check narth (including articles on gay marriage, causes of homosexuality, activists hiding information, the gay former APA President being threatened for telling the truth, etc) to see why I feel that those mainstreaming homosexuality and encouraging the breakup of families (including comment activists here, employed to "destroy" people of faith) have, in part, led my family away from the joys of heterosexuality.

    2 They are offensive to certain religious groups- Google this article and read Jersey Girl comments (very important history supressed by activists/liberal media):

    Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity
    Supreme Court rejects appeal to stop offensive gay parade

    3 They are traditionally not supportive of gay persons, but of a political agenda, you can show love to gay persons on a personal level, in religious congregations, at work, in support groups (Evergreen, narth, etc-which political pride activists try to shut down).

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Ranchhand, the first of my comments was denied. In it I expressed that I was addressing my comment to "Really???". I'm not saying you have no place in the conversation, but that the point I was making would have been more clear.

    I essentially argued this-

    We feel guilt knowing that we've done something morally wrong. I feel guilty for my sins as do others. But I do not blame God or the Church for that feeling, but my choices and the man tempting me to make them. To blame people calling something a sin for making people feel guilty neglects the possibility that 1) they are a legitimate moral authority 2) that the question in fact is a sin and 3) that feeling guilt may not be a bad thing.

    I wasn't preaching a sermon of 'this is right' as much argue the plausibility of the LDS Church not being wrong for calling something a sin. None of us are born with sin but perfect in Christ. The entire point was that we're consigned only because of the actions that we chose.

    Your argument is a red herring. I haven't argued for discrimination.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    June 5, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    I approve of parents supporting and loving their children with same gender attraction. I approve of LDS members putting their arm around a person who is open about that attraction and embracing them with full friendship and love within the ward family and the Church. I think there is danger though in these LDS marchers being perceived as embracing the whole LGBT agenda which doesn't distinguish between the attraction and following through and acting on that attraction. They definitely support gay marriage, which the LDS Church is strictly against. While the support of these people is sweet, I believe the whole public march thing is an unneccessary, confusing display of loyalty.

    LDS church leaders have discouraged those with same gender attraction from paying too much attention to that inclination. They have discouraged them from labeling themselves "Gay" of "Lesbian". So I think, unfortunately, these LDS members who marched are only encouraging and highlighting that focus on the personal struggle of these people and in a roundabout way, making it harder on their kids and friends to put that inclination in the background of their lives rather than the forefront.

    Didn't Jesus say, "Go and sin no more."

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    June 5, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    @ LDS Liberal...

    You're pretty gutsy with this comparison. "The “Temple worthy Members” [Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes]" This judgemental attitude actually makes me feel sick.

  • Skydawn Detroit,, MI
    June 5, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    @Ranchhand.....it is not intolerant or self righteous to have a different opinion than someone else....that would also extend to voting on any subject. Sometimes people in the same household cancel each other out at the voting booth during election time--doing so doesn't mean they are intolerant or self righteous of the other family member. I have lived for several decades in that so called solitude you speak of. While it is not always fun or easy, it keeps me happy with a clear conscience. My conscience is my responsibility. If someone else choses to live differently and give up on self control or just have different beliefs then they are responsible for their own conscience. It is not a tragedy to be gay or to be single our whole life. What is a tragedy is to make covenants to God and then to willingly break them.....those who have not made the same covenants will not judged like someone who has.....But, eventually every knee will bow to the Savior one way or another. Before we bow, I imagine no matter who we are or what we have done we will be lovingly embraced.

  • Skydawn Detroit,, MI
    June 5, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    When I first became a flight attendant 25 years ago I had never met anyone who was gay. I didn't even know what being gay meant. It was eye-opening to say the least. As the years went by I realized that gay people are just like me--a single person trying to make it in a married world or how about just trying to make it in the world. We all laugh, cry, excell and fail. Gay people aren't bad people. However, as a single person God holds me to the same standard that He holds a gay person. No matter what our minds may tell us we are to live morally clean lives. We are to practice self control in all areas of our lives and do our best to live as God would want us to live. I now have many gay friends but being a friend doesnt mean that I have to agree with everything my friends do and they do not have to agree with everything I do. We respect each other for our sameness as well as our differences. God loves us equally--He does not, however love sin from anyone.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 5, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    @very concerned;

    Would you agree that freedom is a desirable behavior and discrimination is an undesirable behavior?

    I really don't care what your church approves of or disapproves of; it really only applies to members who want to keep their memberships. Nobody else is obliged in any way to adhere to your church's rules. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

    I also don't expect your church to change it's policy; and that is fine with me. I do expect them to butt out of other peoples lives and bedrooms - places where they have no business being in the first place.

    You might be surprised to hear about our experiences with god. Our prayers. The answers we've gotten. You don't have all the answers, neither does your leadership. If you believe that homosexuality is a sin, don't do it.

    Homosexuality isn't a trial; dealing with the intolerant and the self-righteous is though. Living a life of solitude, when that is not your choice is also a trial; an unnecessary one. Why don't you give it a shot for a few decades and see how you like it?

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2012 6:40 p.m.

    Please let me qualify, whether your struggle against homosexuality is successful at the moment or not, I still admire you for the struggle. I support and encourage your continued struggle. The Lord loves you and will answer your prayers. Strength will be yours if you ask for it. There are great blessings for those who overcome their weaknesses (or the natural man).

    To those who are not struggling, but who have succumbed hook, line, and sinker, and are actively promoting the homosexual lifestyle, I would say, yes, it depends on whether you believe in revelation as to whether you struggle or not. If there is no God, nor God's prophet, then anything goes, and relativism reigns. But if there is a God, and I know there is, and there is a prophet, and I know there is, then it is necessary to follow their teachings to enjoy the accompanying reward and avoid the negative consequences.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    to: RanchHand
    I think my words are that *I think the homosexual behavior is diametrically opposed to church teachings.* I think that is well-enough documented (that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints disapproves of homosexual behavior) that there is no need to dispute it. I think perhaps less known is that the church says that thoughts about(or propensity toward) homosexuality is not the sin, but acting on them is.

    People have their struggles, whether it be with homosexuality, adultery, pornography, etc. In other words, we sin differently. That is true.

    I will disagree that homosexuality is not a behavior. It is a defining behavior. But I will agree that religion, in some ways, is also a behavior. This country and the Church was - and is - built on the premise that some behaviors are desirable and some aren't. I applaud those who are struggling successfully to avoid (or overcome) homosexuality. I too believe God loves ALL His children. But personally, I don't see the doctrine changing.

  • Southern California Redondo Beach, CA
    June 5, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    And here we go -- chipping away a little at a time until we embrace it fully. Not me.

  • George Bronx, NY
    June 5, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    "as a therapist/" what exactly would your license be because there is no mental health profession that supports your line of reasoning. Further, if you are attempting to cure homosexuality you are violating every mental health professions code of ethics and practicing outside your license (if you are a licensed professional).

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    June 5, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    I love my gay family members, and am thankful for any love and compassion extended to anyone(including drug users, who also suffer high rates of depression). As I've studied these issues and worked with gays as a Therapist, I've learned that caution is crucial. I do not attend pride parades for several reasons (listed below). I've read about gay LDS congregations, and have noted that the LDS Church policy and leadership are already very compassionate and supportive of gay persons. These congregations and other support groups may be the best venue to show love for gays.

    Reasons I personally don't attend pride parades:

    1 They have traditionally been political parades, not support parades (if you've changed that I loudly support you). It feel it is crucial to distinguish between supporting homosexuality and supporting gays. We must also distinguish between supporting pregnant teens and supporting teen pregnancy; supporting polygamists and supporting polygamy; etc. My actions will affect your children for generations to come.
    Continued- Hopefully the Deseret News will let me tell the truth about the agenda, the SL Tribune will not, and has blocked me from civil honest comments.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 5, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    @very concerned;

    You seem so sure that our lives are diametrically 'opposed' to the "gospel teachings". Are you sure? You really don't know that, nor do you know the mind of god. FYI, sexual orientation is not a "behavior" (but religion is).


    Thanks for the sermon. Are you really, really sure that you're not the one listening to Satan? He's the one who wants to force everyone to live righteously and keep them from living their lives freely. He's also the one who promotes bigotry and discrmination; I very much doubt that god approves of that.

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    June 5, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    donn writes: Yes, Same -sex couples, should have all the right to be temple worthy as well as the Celestial Kingdom

    Are you aware of the requirements to get an LDS temple recommend?

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    To conclude,

    Satan lies, telling us we're at the bottom of the totem pole and have no way up. What a terrible employer! Not only does he lie about what his method of payment is, he manages to lie about everything God is extending to us at the same time.

    The truth has never changed. The table is still there and God and Satan are both still calling our names and offering us work. All of us at some point or another have chosen the wrong line of work, but as depressing and guilty as we feel- it is not God but Satan who has deceived us and we have just as much power to choose God's employment as we did when we chose Satan's. If we look at the top of a totem pole it can seem impossible, but one decision at a time- we can choose God's employment and be happy again.

    Guilt isn't bad, but simply acknowledging our choices. I struggle to choose God's employment at length and with great force. But without feeling guilt I will never learn to overcome and rely on God for that payment of happiness.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2012 11:55 a.m.


    If we choose to be employed by God, we get paid by him in the happiness he offered. It is hard and we will struggle, but the struggle is only because Satan will constantly try to get us to do his work instead of God's. Sometimes we fail and we fail big, even huge. But God's hand is still extended to us to continue that employment and receive the gifts of happiness He has promised us. That is a wonderful thing. It is forgiving and charitable to us. It literally defines the meaning of the word 'mercy'. For that extended hand, we should be grateful.

    In the end though, whatever choices we make- we all know what is offered from both employers and when we receive payment we need only look to ourselves to see who made the choices that lead there.

    Like the rest of us, I am reminded every day where I have employed myself at one time or another. But depression isn't the way God pays us. So if we are depressed because of our choices or struggles to make them- we need only look to God to obtain that happiness.


  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2012 11:54 a.m.


    We choose our master, our moral center. We are consigned to consequences ONLY because of and according to our own choices. I am reminded of my sins just as much a good friend of mine who is gay, but I control who's doctrine's I subscribe to and how I feel about my choices. So does my friend.

    In the end, the choice to live one way or another is up to us. Accept that you were 'born with attraction' all you want. It doesn't matter at all. What matters is what you believe and what you have chosen to do about it.

    God and Satan sit at a table offering you a job. God says "My payment is love and happiness, but I require you to not give in to your impulses (which ALL of us have in some form or another) and do these certain things." Satan says "Ignore him. His job isn't even real. You have those feelings and you don't have a choice but to act on them. For working here, I will pay you with happiness. His job is hard, that can't be happy."

    I will continue again...

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    June 5, 2012 11:34 a.m.


    @layton, UT

    Yes, Same -sex couples, should have all the right to be temple worthy as well as the Celestial Kingdom

    marriage Doctrinally impossible, research new and everlasting covenant

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    I understand some of the sympathy some members of churches have for gay family members. The issues surrounding the gospel and GLBT behavior can tear a family apart, and love for a family member may make it very difficult to decide what is appropriate in showing love to (and for) that person.

    But it's one thing to love a person and another to endorse his/her behavior. To me, and I'm only speaking for myself, marching in the gay parade would be an inappriate way to support a gay family member. That's just my opinion. Trying not to judge.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    To: donn

    Respectfully I disagree. I think the homosexual behavior is diametrically opposed to church teachnings. How can someone living a *lifestyle* so opposed to gospel teachings expect the church to condone and celebrate their behavior.

    As far as getting into the celestial kingdom, only God is the judge.

  • donn layton, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    To: zoar63,What about gay LDS members would they have the right to marry in the Church?

    Yes, Same -sex couples, should have all the right to be temple worthy as well as the Celestial Kingdom

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    "You have no business telling others who they may or may not marry; even when you disapprove."

    Try getting a marriage license to marry your sister in any of our 50 states or territories.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    @Alpine Blue;

    You are incorrect. Utah does not recognize glbt Civil Unions, nor anything that represents the privileges/protections of "marriage". Check out Amendment 3. Sure, the LDS church endorsed anti-discrimination in work/housing. They still ENDORSED discrimination in our relationships.

    You are welcome to have a different opinion and be against "homosexual lifestyle" (homosexuality is an orientation, btw, not a "lifestyle", religion is a "lifestyle"). You have no business telling others who they may or may not marry; even when you disapprove. Your "firm request" to stand up for Prop-8, was a "firm request" to support bigotry and discrimination.

    If you believe that marriage is between one-man/one-woman, by all means, practice that belief yourself. You don't get to define any marriages other than your own.


    It is NOT sin to live the way you were born. If you, a heterosexual, were to have homosexual relations, it would be "sin". For a homosexual to have heterosexual relations would be "sin". It is NOT sexual immorality to live as we were born.


    You're the one who can't stop thinking about the "sex".

  • Dick of the NW Bainbridge Island, Washington
    June 4, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    Being gay or hetero has it's challenges. Both are charged with following the guidance of the Prophets. Yes, it is God who will judge all so please don't post here what God will and won't do. Just live your life with your free agency and realize that decisions have consequences. It was noted that one post said a gay person chose to be gay while others say we were borned gay. We all have our weaknesses to overcome and work through. So I say to you I hope you are honest with the person in the mirror and making the best decisions you can make and living forward to a better day when we all we have a better understanding of our human condition.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    June 4, 2012 9:55 p.m.

    “Americans have no idea how FEW gay people there are” (see Garance Franke-Ruta’s May 31, 2012, article in The Atlantic). When polled in 2002, a quarter of those polled guessed upwards of 25% of their fellow Americans were homosexual. By 2011 that misperception had only grown, with more than a third of those surveyed now guessing that more than 25% of Americans are gay. Young adults were most likely to provide high estimates. Ask yourself whether one-quarter of YOUR friends, family, work associates etc. are gay.

    The actual number of homosexuals is under 5%, with some stating the number is closer to 2.8% of the total population. Now THAT percentage lines up much more accurately with MY acquaintances. You?

    How is it that in one decade, people can embrace such utterly wrong perceptions? If you said “Media”, you get a star. And who, today, is MOST influenced by media? Teens and young adults.

    Bigotry, hate, who thinks what about whom, who’s saying what by their marching -- all of these things pale in comparison to the misperceptions hammered into our kids by media.

  • CVgal Smithfield, UT
    June 4, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    You know, too many of you are acting like some of the southern preachers on TV that we have seen in the past weeks -- and their homophobia. Haveing a six-year-old boy sing a song as shown on TV today and the parish cheering. That is sad! We are not condoning the actions of the people we know in the parade. We are saying these people are children of God too, and they don't need to be ostracized. Their life is hard enough (would you change places?), and many of you have no idea what a day is like for them. I.e., if someone finds out, will they lose their job? Will they lose their apartment? Will their family love them or shun them? Will they be beat up? I don't like the "parading" and I think they would promote their "cause" more if they didn't get so outlandish sometimes. Just because you or I have an opinion doesn't make us right or wrong. Just be understanding and do what Christ would do. He wouldn't toss them under the bus......and neither should we.

  • isrred Logan, UT
    June 4, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    "Why would anyone feel the need to run around proclaiming that they choose to engage in the behavior of homosexuality?"

    I feel sorry for you, because you obviously have never had the blessing of loving someone so much that you wanted to shout it from the rooftops and let the whole world know how much you love them. Straight or Gay, friends or enemies, I hope everyone has the pleasure to experience such love.

    THAT is why someone would "feel the need" to feel Pride in their relationships and their sexuality.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    June 4, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    While the support from a few hundred members of the LDS church makes me think there is hope for the hundred, maybe thousands, of young men and women within the church who are struggling with their sexual identity and their faith, many of the comments on here make me sad. I hope many of you do not lose a child to suicide because you just can't bring yourself to show unconditional love for others.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    "Why would anyone feel the need to run around proclaiming that they choose to engage in the behavior of homosexuality?"

    You think this is about sex? It's not about sex, it's about love and the fact that for this subset of people their attractions are to those of the same gender. Seems like you're the one who can't separate individuals from "homosexual behavior". I guess you're someone who'd see two guys holding hands and think "they're doing it aren't they?". If you see a couple and your immediate thought is that they're doing it, you probably lost track of what actually is the foundation of relationships.

    I hear/read all the time that merely being gay isn't sinful. If that were true then wouldn't homosexual relationships that remain chaste be okay? Fact is an unmarried straight couple can hold hands in church services and there'd be no judgment on them at all. But if two guys were to do that, well that can't be allowed can it? It's not JUST about the sex now, is it?

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    @Alpine Blue

    "Sure, we (LDS) support marriage only between "man and woman" but still want to insure that all have the same rights of civil unions et al. It's all only semantics at the end of the day. What does it matter-whether legally married or in a loving civil union-if all have the same exact rights."

    What about gay LDS members would they have the right to marry in the Church?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 4, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Love people, but not the behavior. We'll still be responsible for our actions.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    June 4, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    I appreciate the fact that members of the LDS Church had the courage to show love and concern for people who really are being treated unfairly in many ways. We are all sinners! No one has the right to judge condemnation on anyone. Kindness, showing empathy, and relieving one another's burdens is the basic tenets of Jesus Christ's gospel. Illustrative of this point is Christ's interaction with the harlot. He obviously unconditionally loved her and made those 'accusers' to feel shame for wanting her to be punished. 'He who is without sin cast the first stone'. This has as much meaning today as it did back then.

    But what He said after was just as important. 'Go, and sin no more'. Did He say this to punish her? No! He knew exactly what was best for her! This is what's being lost in the current conversation. Sexual immorality is eroding our country's very foundation. Out of wedlock heterosexual sex and the act of homosexual sex is against God's law. Man cannot change or alter God's laws. Unconditionally love the sinner, but abhor the sin should be the prevailing wisdom.

  • Downtime Saint George, UT
    June 4, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    You people believe this was just a nice family gathering? Check out the Facebook page of the parade. The Deseret News will not print those photos. No news outlet will show those photos. Men dressed in top hats wearing only Speedos. Signs stating that God has gay relations. And these people want to be treated as "normal." This has nothing to do bigotry, and everything to do with decency. Until those who want to viewed as "normal" separate themselves from those who want their lifestyle choice "loud and proud," I and many others stand against this lifestyle (while all the day loving those in need of repentance, myself included).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    @Alpine Blue
    "And, as I read your responses, I wonder about what axes you may have to grind against the church."

    Don't really have any, the reason I was frustrated was because I spent years as a liberal in the church being constantly told by members that I needed to repent for my political views including my support for gay marriage and I felt like you were suggesting things don't exist that do. Our disconnect between my "many" and your "some" is most likely differences in definition of what hatred for homosexuals is. For instance, I'd classify sending them to Evergreen International to be hate (likewise I'd classify evangelicals sending their kids considering the LDS to camps to "protect from cults" to be hatred against mormons).

    "And you are totally wrong about the state of Utah who passed some of the most comprehensive recognition of LGBT civil unions and civil rights under former governor Jon Huntsman. "

    Utah passed a constitutional ban on civil unions simultaneously with its ban on gay marriage. Huntsman is a civil union supporter but he never really did anything for gay rights in this state because it's politically impossible.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    June 4, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    @ Truthseeker

    Suppose it could have been different there in San Luis Obispo where you live, but I just phoned my daughter in Irvine area and asked her to pull out some of the old e-mails and correspondance.

    As she read it all to me, I found no evidence of any hatred or demonization of the gay community, only a very firm request to stand up for Prop 8 and the ideal of standing up for the concept of marriage being between "One Man and One Woman". Just encouraged to stand for the principle. If you saw something much different I would be surprised. The Church (and most of its adherents) do not act mean-spiritedly.

    Suppose you can call standing for the right bigotry. But, it was certainly not mean-spirited or hateful or demonizing. Whether married or in a civil union, LGBT have the same rights as my wife of 35 years plus and I.

    God loves each of us equally and is no respecter of persons.

  • girl.in.slc Salt Lake , UT
    June 4, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    This group of Mormons marching in the parade made such a strong impact on us. This is because so many gay people in our group of friends, who grew up LDS, don't have support from their families or communities anymore. Watching you and your children touched us. We could see our families in your faces, our old ward members, our neighbors, our missed loved ones.
    Even though our families are not there yet, we can see them in you and we have hope that they will be with you one day.
    Thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Your marching is a start to help bridge us and our Mormon families.
    We connected so deeply with you because we connect with them.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    June 4, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    @ atl134

    I do not disagree with you that there are exceptions to the rule and that there are some LDS who may hate LGBT. But, as I have discussed this with many many of my LDS friends around the US and some overseas, there is very, very little hatred. Sure, there are those like your "friend" at Penn State who are open in their bigotry-but he/they are a tiny minority. And I can almost imagine that he had issues of his own-since most stone thrower seems to be those who are the most likely to lash out at others. And, as I read your responses, I wonder about what axes you may have to grind against the church.

    And you are totally wrong about the state of Utah who passed some of the most comprehensive recognition of LGBT civil unions and civil rights under former governor Jon Huntsman. And, the LDS church has gone on record of supporting this far-reaching legislation.

    Again, while we do not condone the homosexual lifestyle, we do not hate those who choose this lifestyle, but reach out to them in love and compassion as brothers and sisters.

  • RedneckLefty St. George, UT
    June 4, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Mayhem Mike:

    We already have "Pride" celebrations for heterosexual unions: they are called wedding receptions.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 4, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Good for them. What an unexpected turn of events.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 4, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, Utah

    When Jesus saw the money changers in the Temple he made a whip, drove the "sinners" out and overturned their tables. Being a perfect man did Jesus hate these sinners or did he just disapprove of their behavior?

    I suspect that God finds it "rather tiring and depressing to have to remind His children to repent.
    •10:50 a.m. June 4, 2012

    The “Money Changers” Jesus drove out were equivocal to today’s WallStreet “Money Changers”.
    Jesus hung out with all those YOU call “sinners”.

    They loved him because He loved them first.

    BTW – The “Temple worthy Members” [Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes] rejected him and his message. For no other reason than He hung out with the “Liberals” of Society, those who were shunned, considered sinners and low-lifes.

    He also forgave and accepted the sinners, and condemned the “Members” as hypocrites.

    You are right about one thing, -- God is getting tired reminding of his “members” to repeat.

    As I posted earlier - We, of all people, should show empathy for those ill treated by Society.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 4, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    The ironic thing here is that Utah is known for its tolarance of gays. The LDS people in Utah, while not approving of homosexual acts, have shown for decades that they can accept a gay person. According to the Gay Travel website, Salt Lake City ranks #5 in most friendly towards gays.

    So, since the LDS people live what they believe and tolerance (while not accepting) the gay lifestyle, why do we need a group to promote what the church already does and teaches?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    June 4, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    re:Alpine Blue

    Well, as a life-long LDS member, having lived on both coasts and in CA during Prop 8 I can attest to the fact that LDS bigotry against homosexuals does exist. Just reading the comments on the Deseret News site can illustrate that, but also comments, sometimes subtle, made by members when/if the issue comes up. The Prop 8 campaign literature, ads etc. were negative, and demonized homosexuals. I think bigotry has been the way of the world forever. Wherever there is an out group it is easy to place blame, sow fear etc. It happened with slavery, women's rights and is happening today with issues such as same-sex marriage and immigration.

  • DeBaan Cedar Park, TX
    June 4, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Speaking as someone who has had my own share of challenges and struggles:

    Here's the problem: it's an important distinction between loving someone who has a real challenge, and supporting and/or promoting it (e.g., "pride").

    We should not "show our support" for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

    We should show our love for everyone, and we *support* those who are striving to overcome life's challenges in their struggle to do so.

    Those who embrace sin and deviance, we should love but not support them in their fall.

    Beware those who call evil good, and good evil.

  • George Bronx, NY
    June 4, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    actually this has already happened a couple of times when members of the gay community have shown up to offer support and encouragement for conference goers when the westboro church has shown up to harass conference goers. Maybe its time for you to get off the sidelines and be an active part of the solution.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    @Alpine Blue
    "Sure, we (LDS) support marriage only between "man and woman" but still want to insure that all have the same rights of civil unions et al."

    If that were true then why did the state overwhelmingly vote to ban civil unions when it banned same-sex marriage? Why does the legislature oppose housing and job anti-discrimination measures?

    "In all my years in the church and in countless leadership meetings over the years, I have never heard a disparaging word (and certainly never a feeling or word of hatred) against LGBT from an active member of the church. "

    I've heard a ton of it, even in more liberal areas like college student wards and my old home ward in Maryland. Even had an Institute instructor rail against homosexuality and say that if we didn't write letters to our senators urging them to pass the marriage amendment we'd be doing satan's will.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Re: Really??? Kearns, UT
    "@Rifleman, I appreciate your comments, but please think about how it feels to be constantly reminded of your "sin." "

    When Jesus saw the money changers in the Temple he made a whip, drove the "sinners" out and overturned their tables. Being a perfect man did Jesus hate these sinners or did he just disapprove of their behavior?

    I suspect that God finds it "rather tiring and depressing to have to remind His children to repent.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Proud of my fellow LDS and a neighbor who participated yesterday. Truly touched by some of the reactions to their love and support.

    In spite of all the hate-bigotry labels thrown around so carelessly, I feel very certain that what happened yesterday was a pretty true indication of the feelings of a great majority of Utahns-LDS and non-LDS. In all my years in the church and in countless leadership meetings over the years, I have never heard a disparaging word (and certainly never a feeling or word of hatred) against LGBT from an active member of the church. Only love and compassion. If there is hatred, I feel that much of it is imaginary. Personally tired of being called a hater-when there is none.

    Sure, we (LDS) support marriage only between "man and woman" but still want to insure that all have the same rights of civil unions et al. It's all only semantics at the end of the day. What does it matter-whether legally married or in a loving civil union-if all have the same exact rights.

    We are all Children of the same God. And He loves us all equally!

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    Provo, UT
    I am encouraged by the LDS participation but how many Catholics, Jews, Methodists, Presbyterian, Unitarians, etc... marched. Why count one religion and no others.


    There were many churches that marched this year and in years pass. This is the FIRST time that Mormons marched and showed their love.

  • tallen Lehi, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    I'm so glad to see this. AS an LDS person, I do not hate those who are homosexual. It is not church doctrine to hate anyone (different political viewpoints does not equal hate). I hope that as a community we can do more to show our love for our fellow men.

  • Lulu Elk Grove, CA
    June 4, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    As a mother of a adult lesbian daughter, I was so happy to see this display showing the world all Mormons aren't homophobic and those who really follow Christ's teaching know he loves all of his children.

  • JMH Provo, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    I am encouraged by the LDS participation but how many Catholics, Jews, Methodists, Presbyterian, Unitarians, etc... marched. Why count one religion and no others.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    @Rifleman, I appreciate your comments, but please think about how it feels to be constantly reminded of your "sin." Even if a homosexual is abstaining from sexual relationships, they are often grouped into a category of "sinner" because of who they are. I am sure it would get rather tiring and depressing to be reminded of that all the time.

    @MAYHEM MIKE, I would dare say the Days of '47 Parade is exactly one of those parades that you are talking about. Do you think, perhaps, that a homosexual group would be allowed to participate in that one? I am sure there would be a group like Affirmation that would be willing to give it a shot.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    It says a lot that it is "news" when LDS members actually live the ideas they talk about every week in Church.

    Hopefully, times are a changing.

  • VocalLocal Salt Lake, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    This made national headlines and yet KSL didn't even mention it in their 10 o'clok newscast. Hmmmm.

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Curious as to when the "gay" community will rally during General Conference to support the LDS Church and its members right to religious freedom and show love and support for their LDS family members and friends. Love and support and "building bridges" is a two-way street.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    I can't help but think of seeing a group from the Mid-West in the Days of '47 parade,
    holding signs reading:

    "Missourians Building Bridges."

    If there were ever a people who should be able to sympathize and understand intolerance because of who we are, it should be us.

    I'm to have missed this [I hadn't heard of it before].
    I will be participating in next year's event.

  • donn layton, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    @ Observenator,So does this mean that I will be treated better at restaurants and businesses in downtown SLC? Or does my individuality and pride not merit approval? Tolerance begets tolerance!
    Right on, right on , The next step should be for the LDS church to open the priesthood to females(Bishops).

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    To BCA - you are making a big mistake when you assume the Church leadership would not express support...no, they would not endorse the behavior but in turn would not belittle an individual who chooses to be Gay.

  • eaglebacon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    The crowd was destroying their throats and people were wiping tears on both sides. Watching a Sunday's best clad LDS man hug a crying lady of the LGBT community across the way from me was an incredible moment. I grew up LDS and havnt been active in years but seeing all those beautifully brave Mormons reminded me of just how truly strong and kind LDS members can be. I will never make the silly mistake of Typecasting the LDS community ever again.

  • Observenator Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:07 a.m.


    Thank you for so wonderfully illustrating my point. Perceived prejudice against LGBT individuals does not make irresponsible, intolerant and insensitive comments and behavior by members of that community against others right. After all, does the LGBT community really want to pursue an "eye for an eye" approach?

    You may scoff at the idea of being mistreated as a Mormon in downtown SLC, but I am certainly not alone in this sentiment. Plus, isn't the express purpose of these marches to overcome indifference or hostility of individuals' right to exist and live as they choose?

    I guess in your world that's true for everyone but Mormons.

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    June 4, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT
    So does this mean that I will be treated better at restaurants and businesses in downtown SLC? Or does my individuality and pride not merit approval? But when my family and I are mistreated because we are obviously LDS or overhear incredibly rude comments about our religion I do have to pause and reassess my position.

    To Observenator, please share how it is so "obvious" you are LDS when you enter restaurants and businesses in downtown SLC? Do you walk around with the BOM glued to your hip? Or are you walking around with a chip on your shoulder and looking for reasons to be offended? I don't spend a lot of time on SLC because I try to do business in my own community, but when I do go to SLD I've never felt mistreated or had anyone be rude to me. You might want to re-read the talk about how its oud choice to take offense that was given in GC a couple of years ago -- it was a very good talk and obviously there was a reason for giving that message to the entire church membership.

  • MikeP ,
    June 4, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    There is so much need for healing and reconciliation between the Mormon and gay subcultures in America, both of which represent a small percentage of the population and have been historically persecuted. It's especially meaningful that this gesture of love from Latter-day Saints would take place right in downtown Salt Lake City.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 4, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    It's great to see so many different people coming together for a common cause--to show pride in life and love! Congratulations to the active LDS folks who had the courage to show their support for their families and friends!

  • ravelmsc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 4, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    I would definitely support "heterosexual pride" if there were such a thing organized. All people's love is beautiful!

  • meemaab West Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Observenator, let's not pretend that the "persecution" you experience as a mormon in UTAH is anything close to that of a gay person's experience living here. That's laughable at best.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    If we heterosexuals organize a march to proclaim our "pride" in heterosexual unions and lifestyle, will the gays and their supporters support and march with us?

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    Thank you, Mormons Building Bridges.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    Re: CVgal Smithfield, UT
    "You'd be surprised at how many you know who are those you dislike so much."

    It is one thing to accept people as children of God, and it is another thing altogether to accept their behavior. Jesus taught that we should love all people but He never suggested that we should embrace immoral behavior.

    Frequently those with a same sex attraction assume that just because we disagree with their behavior we must therefore dislike them. Your own statement proves that idea wrong.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    June 4, 2012 6:06 a.m.

    How encouraging can it possibly be to see "members" being socially responsible and doing the right thing.
    I fear the backlash that any of them might receive for their participation but applaud their efforts and expressions of love and support to those that deserve it.

  • Swedish reader Stockholm, Sweden
    June 4, 2012 5:43 a.m.

    Just recently, another poster on the DN site accused me of thinking gay people were "icky" simply because I am LDS. I'm so glad the people in this article showed those present (and I hope he was among them) that his assumption has absolutely no merit. Love, empathy and support for our brothers and sisters doesn't require us to agree on everything - not even on major issues. We just need to see each other as family!

  • Observenator Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 5:29 a.m.

    So does this mean that I will be treated better at restaurants and businesses in downtown SLC? Or does my individuality and pride not merit approval?

    On a theoretical level, I wholly support gay rights (including marriage). But when my family and I are mistreated because we are obviously LDS or overhear incredibly rude comments about our religion I do have to pause and reassess my position.

    Tolerance begets tolerance!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    June 4, 2012 3:26 a.m.

    I am Lds and would be proud to call these marchers friends and ward members. Jesus said love everyone.

  • CVgal Smithfield, UT
    June 3, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    I wasn't there but am glad that the 300 or so church members were brave enough to participate. The Church does say to love everyone. I've never met a more caring group of people. We just have the certain segment of society who are part of such harsh statements and feelings. It's one thing to believe in heterosexual behaviors but another thing to totally dislike a group of people so much. You'd be surprised at how many you know who are those you dislike so much. And I'm a very active Mormon as well....

  • guswetrust Cebterville, Utah
    June 3, 2012 10:45 p.m.

    I think it was great...and lightening didn't strike once! We need to continue to embrace differences and support each other. Some day everyone will know someone that is gay. And it doesn't change them. They are still the great friend, relative or co-worker.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 3, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    Yah! Everybody ought to be proud of themselves.

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    This is an amazingly beautiful story. Let's work together to nurture this spirit to continue to grow and spread. Thanks to all those who participated.

  • Doug W ,
    June 3, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    I attended the Utah Pride Celebration. It was a mixed crowd where I was viewing the parade and witnessed an important event and statement. The LDS contingent did buoy spirits and a large applause as they appeared. I quickly surveyed the people watching and was impressed with very universal approval and acceptance. These proud, stong LDS members are allies and the LGBT community welcomes them. So many, so many of the LGBT community come from this culture and find this display meaningful. Let the LDS community support continue to flurish. Thank you for being there for us today.

  • Call Me V Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    Awesome to see those in the church who are concerned enough and open-minded enough to show their love and support to those in this unique group within the church!!

  • isrred Logan, UT
    June 3, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    Beautiful people, every single one of them. Again, thank you!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 3, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    I'm not LDS or gay but as a teacher I have worked with Mormon teens who are gay. I know it is very difficult for them, and more than one has told me that suicide seemed the only option. I believe the actions of these 350 Latter-day Saints to extend a loving hand toward the LGBT community will literally save lives. Thank you so much for treating people in this community with understanding and respect. I can't begin to tell you how much good this will do in the world.