Stained-glass ceiling: Study says religion can hurt Romney if Mormons don't improve outreach

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  • donn layton, UT
    May 25, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    Re:tyndale1, Terminology and it's use sometimes causes misunderstandings:

    Mormon view: Mormonism declares there are 3 Gods in the godhead. God was once a man like us before he became a God. God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.
    Christian view(Catholic protestant): God has always been God, There is only one God(Triune). God does not change. God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones.

    Mormon view; Jesus is our elder brother. Lucifer is the brother of Jesus. Jesus is the firstborn spirit child of the Father. Christ gained exaltation (became a God),All men were born sons of God in the spirit. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers
    Christian view(Catholic, protestant): Jesus created angels including Lucifer. Jesus has always been God, Jesus was a miraculous conception; a virgin gave birth by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Jesus of Mormonism was born at Jerusalem. The Jesus of the Bible was born in Bethlehem.

    Christian view: Holy Ghost/Spirit same Greek word(pneuma)

  • tyndale1 Pullman, WA
    May 25, 2012 12:09 a.m.


    Terminology and it's use sometimes causes misunderstandings. In LDS theology, there are three members of the Godhead: God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit. They are unified in purpose and act as one, but they are each unique entities. When Mormons say Jesus was not begotton of the Holy Ghost, now you can see why. They simply believe Jesus was begotton of God the Father, not the Holy Ghost. To those who believe there is no difference except in title this seems contradictory, but to them, it adds clarity. Jesus is the only begotton Son of God.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    May 24, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    Why should I be concerned with the private ambitions of a single member of the Church (being carried out in public)? Forget the fact that I don't like him or his policies... But suppose I did? Why should I "campaign" for him through my outreach?

  • rbowman838 Pueblo, CO
    May 23, 2012 7:33 p.m.

    I hope everyone can see the stark contrast in President Obama and Mitt Romney. I hope Mitt begins to openly speak out about his faith and defend it, We as LDS people need to work hard for the election of Mitt Romney, not bercause he is LDS, but because he is an honorable, god-fearing man with the skill set to be a fine President. Every LDS person should be proud and willing to reach out to everyone outside of our faith and show them what being a member of the Church has done for us. Mitt's volunteer service for about 10 years being a Bishop and a Stake President have proven that Mitt is much more than a very rich man who can't understand what his neighbors go through every day. His service to others is exemplary. What more could we ask for in a President of the United States. I say the Heavens and earth will all rejoice when he is elected and the evil evidences of a very bad President Obama are gone.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 23, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    The Taxman,

    It embarrasses me to have Obama as a follow American, and supporting some of the things he does.

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    May 23, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    Meaning more white shirts in the neighborhood ??

  • The Taxman Los Angeles, CA
    May 23, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    It embarrasses me that Mitt is the same religion as me.

    How many of you in Utah would like to explain what Harry Reid says and does to your Utah neighbors? This is how I feel about Romney. Except of course that Harry Reid doesn't say opposite things on different days, depending upon whom he's trying to court.

    I'll be glad when all of this is over and we (Mormons) can hopefully return to being perceived as an honest people.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 23, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    Reach out means handouts. Begging is now part of the evolving society our liberals have created. Now they'll claim the church is mean spirited to bring down Mitt.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 23, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    Funny --

    Senator Reid doesn't need the Church or it's members to help him get elected.

    In fact, they cause more harm than good.

    BTW - I thought the official LDS Church policy was to NOT endorse any political candidate.
    I'm surprised how the LDS Church owned newpaper keeps breaking this policy daily.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 23, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    East Coast is right in the process. Even in the United States, people don't know much about a lot of things, especially religion, just look at Jay Leno interviewing people on the street. We just have to do what we do best, do it and live it. I have worked with people from about 80 different countries and none of them LDS and one thing they love to do is go to Temple Square as they feel something special there. Even living in Tooele, Utah for six weeks at a time they noticed a difference in dealing and being with the people there. With the billions of people in the world of varying religious and political and educational backgrounds, this will be a interesting time of our existence. People in 1860s didn't think a poor backcountry attorney would become President with the rich rivals and political rivals he had to contend with. We still have those days with today with people saying they don't know Mitt Romney and much about his religion even with Internet and other forms of communication that the 1860s didn't have. Contention comes from many intelligent and ignorant people, everywhere.

  • donn layton, UT
    May 23, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    RE: voters who have a close relationship to a Mormon are the only ones who won't respond negatively to incendiary claims such as "Mormons are not Christians”?

    I’m married to a Mormon, but when I became a Christian I understand why Bible believing Christians think Mormonism is a mis-leading religion.
    The “pale” of Christianity believes the birth of Jesus was a unique miracle by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word(Pneuma) .
    ”They tell us that the BoM states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches No Such Thing! Neither does the Bible!”( Joseph Fielding Smith)
    A precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost and bring forth a son yea, even the Son of God. ( Alma 7:10) .
    The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.(Luke 1:35).

    A of F, original Edition, #8 We believe in the Word of God recorded in the Bible.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    May 23, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    People need to vote for whichever candidate they believe in, regardless of their faith or the faith of the candidate. But whether it is an election year or not members need to do good. This is not an election tactic. Just open your mouths people. Let people know that you are a Mormon, and do good. Do good to them that hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you and persecute you.

    The Church is already doing a massive reach-out, but it is not for Romney. Personally I like Romney. I like what he did for the Olympics and I like what I think he will do for America. But that is not why I want people to know I am a Mormon. I just want people to know there is real goodness out there. The election is a sideshow. Just get out and do good.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    May 23, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    People are going to believe in what they want to believe, concerning the LDS faith.
    In all categories of demographics, it will always boil-down to ~50/50, for and against, no matter what we do. This runs in concordance with scripture that says Joseph Smith's name will be spoken of both "good and evil".
    It's a foreordained thing, IMO.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    May 23, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Improve outreach...

    And NO, we do not mean the condescending, holier-than-thou, I have the one and only truth and you don't, you poor sinner I am here to save you, we will rule the world someday under the kingship of Christ "outreach".

    We do not need patronizing arrogance nor want to be evangelized and "brought into the fold".

    Thank you very much.

  • RandomTraveler Livermore, CA
    May 23, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    I would like to know where the writer has been looking the last few years? Has he paid attention to all the helping hands efforts since hurricane Katrina as well as any other disaster? What about the community cleanups that occur with LDS members interacting with other faiths and neighbors in cleaning up cities and neighborhoods. Has the reporter looked at the annual cleanups and projects that the LDS members have participated in for a number of years now? I think the reporter needs do more research. By the Way, these Helping Hands activities have taken place all over the United States. The LDS Church and members have been out in the communities helping out and mixing with their neighbors. If others cannot see these efforts, it is because they are blind or are too focused on themselves.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 23, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    ... And what if you're Mitt's bishop or stake president? Do you call him in and tell him to knock off the "unbecoming" behaviors (that make many of we members cringe) or do you let him continue pursuing an "anything to win" strategy?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 23, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    In this world, you have to make choices all the time. There are good, better and best choices. You may not have a perfect choice but there are differences. As I think about this article, President Obama has taken his religion and military dislikes to the forefront of this campaign. He has torn the military spirit down and is now trying it with religion. Religion has always been an issue from the beginning of time. Politics or having kings and queens has always had problems. We have our nation and a Constitution that is special and meant for us to be a stable country. People, Courts and leaders in our government are attempting to take away those principles and letting the media portray everything with religion and the military is wrong. We as a nation would not be anywhere in this world without the freedom of religion and a strong military. George Washington suffered from a poor military but the might of God he trusted in and his men and the women who supported our way of life, lived for now over 200 years and will continue on. We can't let the media and President portray our country wrong

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 23, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    @JWB, I've lived in 4 countries outside the US and have visited dozens of other countries. You and I BOTH KNOW how little is known about our church both inside and especially OUTSIDE the US. There are plenty of other churches doing good for a number of great causes out there. There are more soup kitchens, orphanages, medical missions, etc run by other churches than by ours. I'm not faulting the quality of the work we do or the size or scope. We just have to find ways to involve others, work with others, perhaps join their efforts or invite them to join ours, etc. We don't need to get down on what we're doing, just find ways to do it better and involve others.

    Our Stake Presidency issued a challenge to read the Book of Mormon this year and take a hard copy (vs. I-Pad, etc.) with us when we sit in the plane or train, prepared to share a marked copy with our seat mates. I've thought of how many times I've sat next to someone who wanted to discuss family, etc. and never shared my beliefs and values.

  • SC_24 Ephraim, UT
    May 23, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    So if I am trying to be an emissary for my Church but don't want Romney elected, what am I supposed to do? I don't like my faith being learned through the lens of "Mitt Romney's" faith.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 23, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    I have lived in Europe, Asia, Central and South America and quite a few states in the U.S.A. I have not seen a religion or people do more for their neighbors, friends and others as the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. People that live by, work with and associate with know what Latter-day Saints are and believe in. There is so much negative press that used to be local but now is worldwide that teaches other things about what LDS people are taught and believe. Example and doing is what is good and the people that directly criticize and show false-doctrine are not going to back down from any positive efforts. They are going to get wrapped up more in their advertising and preaching that the Church is Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in error, which it isn't. Members are as a basic whole are trying to do their best to live like Christ would have them live, even in a world that is head-over-heels trying to do the exact opposite. This United States of America is an ensign to the world. Romney= Ensign also

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    May 23, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    A study based in part on four year old info? These three guys have to be kidding, right?

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 23, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    Sorry, but the question shouldn't be whether the Mormon religion can hurt Romney, but rather whether he is hurting the Mormon religion with his campaign behaviors. Unless we want to be known as a people who will sink to the lowest common denominator and do or say whatever we think advantages us at the moment, then I think the answer is a resounding 'yes'.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    May 23, 2012 7:25 a.m.

    I can't help but think of a story in the Book of Mormon of the person Mormon who was chosen to lead the people out of a very bad situation. Now, the people were quite wicked and I am sure they did not appreciate Mormon's stance toward their wickedness but they wanted him anyhow as he was their only chance. I see a bit of a parallel between now and then. I think most people understand that they really don't have another choice and will choose Mitt and I think that they will be pleasantly surprised.

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    May 23, 2012 7:11 a.m.

    Just a thought but what if Obamas birth place lets the Democrats throw him out of the race choose another runner for their side?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 23, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    The LDS Church has been all about outreach since it's inception. I'm not sure what else we could do. Decades of lies about us have taken their toll. But, we strive every day to overcome those lies.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    May 23, 2012 6:52 a.m.

    I am grateful for the proof I have that the LDS church is true and is what it claims to be. The crux of that proof came from asking God and personal spiritual experiences. I don't know if that translates well to other people who have preconceived notions about how religion should be, but imo, its really the only reasonable way to run a religion--by individual conscience.

    I know there are others in the world who have received strong impressions as to the truths they hold dear. I try to be respectful of those beliefs--no matter how alien they may be to me--because who am I to decide if God hasn't spoken to them in their way of understanding?

    I love this country. It affords us all a conscience and the right to pursue whatever religious (or lack of) inclinations we find.

    I think Mitt Romney is doing the right thing by not using his religion as a way to prove he's superior to others--because I think that approach is contrary to the nature of deep spiritual respect we need in our nation's top leader who must defend freedom of religion.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    May 23, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    I think the outreach is done by associating with your neighbors of other faiths. It comes from not condemning them for not being LDS. It happens by allowing your children to play with their children. It starts by including them in your workplace lunch conversations.

    We need to be truly interested in others. Can we show that interest without it coming across as a weak attempt to convert them to our faith? We have a lot of work to do in this area.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 23, 2012 5:26 a.m.

    It's an excellent opportunity for us to talk to people since they are more curious than ever. We do tend to be insular and involved/busy with only our own people, so this is a great time to reflect and see what we can improve upon - make new or better friends with non LDS, talk to people when we travel, find new ways to share our message in a positive way (e.g. write blogs that don't insult/offend those who don't agree with us).

    We can't change the way Romney talks about his faith or shows it in the way he campaigns, but we can improve how we operate and represent our beliefs. Let our Christian acts of love and service speak louder than our words. What a cool challenge!!

  • RandomTraveler Livermore, CA
    May 23, 2012 4:00 a.m.

    Quin Monson and his co-authors also need to get their collective heads out of the political sand they breath and also pay attention to all the things the LDS church and members do to reach out to the community. They have been doing that for a number of years, so my recommendation to mister Monson and friends is to wake up and pay attention to what is happening in the communities. They should get out of Utah and see all the good that takes place all over the United States where the "Helping Hands" dig in and help their neighbors and communities. Wake up Monson!!!!!

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    May 23, 2012 1:00 a.m.

    Actually, Obama's HHS contraceptive/abortifacient mandate followed by his support for gay marriage has gone A LONG way toward shattering the "stained-glass ceiling." AND of course there is the economy. I promise, while there are some that put religion at the top of their issues list for this election, there are far greater issues this time around and most people aren't going to let Romney's religion keep them from voting AGAINST Obama.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    May 23, 2012 12:31 a.m.

    Probably tough on Romney's conscience to discuss his LDS religion when he repeatedly is getting caught in lies.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    May 23, 2012 12:15 a.m. Mitt's secret weapon is for Mormons to reach out? very impressive research guys, NOT! Aren't there more useful topics to research this this? unbelievably a waste of resource, money, and time!

  • eagle651 Chino Valley, AZ
    May 22, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    Last week Romney was interviewed by a Christian News Service that is very negative to his Religion.
    Romney never said anything about his Mormon Faith or his belief in Jesus.
    A golden moment missed.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 22, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    You have to ask how there are so many religions and denominations out there. None brings any more proof than another to the table, so it stanss to reason that most, or maybe all, are selling snake oil. That's why it's so important to keep religion personal. Pushing it harder, maybe increasing the font size on the front of the building, isn't going to help. When it comes to religion, don't yell louder. Clam up.

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    May 22, 2012 10:26 p.m.

    I'm not sure what this article is getting at. The LDS church has like 50,000+ missionaries, TV ads, Temple open houses, an entire PR department and they suggest we improve our outreach...? Um, how?

    Instead let's try getting a Mormon presidential nominee out there against a really REALLY awful alternative and let each person in the USA decide if they want their entire country to go up in flames over the next 4 years


    if Mormonism is really the sinister cult their Evangelical preacher has led them to believe. Maybe they might look into the Mormon church with a reason to WANT to believe good things for the first time in their lives.

    How about that for PR in high speed?

    May 22, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    I believe the best definition of Christian is one who is or strives to be like Christ. Which probably means, some Mormons are Christian, and some aren't.