Soda ban threatens Davis High School programs

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  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    May 23, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Is refined sugar the next tobacco? You must be 18 years old to purchase.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    May 23, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    50 years ago Davis High had a lunch program that cost students 25 cents per high quality meal. Now we are upset about the loss of soda vending machine? My how things have changed.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 22, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    @ Terrie Bittner

    Correction.......It is not the school's job to teach your kids how to have a good adult life. Their job is to teach these students the subjects they are hired to teach. If a life lesson is available in that then great. More power to them for going the extra mile. But it is YOUR job to teach your children how to have a good adult life. Again, this is the problem with our society, people want to pass the buck for the responsibility of our children. Teach your own children, hold yourself accountable for what you do to raise them. Since you don't want to teach them, I guess the Correctional Facilities will. Because if you are relying on somebody else to teach them, then that is where they will end up. Please people, teach your own kids.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 22, 2012 12:30 p.m.


    I get your agrument, but accuse the school and school district of not doing their jobs. Your whole comment is what is wrong with our society today. People (You) expect the schools and others to raise your children. Why don't you do that job? Why don't you raise and teach your children the way you want them to be taught and raised. The school is doing the best they can with what they have. Which here in Utah is minimal. But you need to take control of your own children and quit relying on the school to raise them. If you don't want your kid using a vending machine then sit them down and tell them and teach them why you don't want them using it. Quit relying on our school system and local government to raise (Your) children. This is the problem today, parents do not want to be parents. And if you don't want to parent, then don't have kids. Yours are the ones screwing up this place because you don't know how to discipline and teach your kids yourself.

  • nhsaint PETERBOROUGH, NH
    May 22, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    I am a high school teacher in New Hampshire. In my classroom, I regularly see boys and girls who are as much a 100 pounds overweight. Obesity in childhood (now at 30%!!)is not just an issue for the individual and their health, it is also an issue for society. Obese and morbidly obese individuals have health care costs that are far beyond the average costs for normal-sized persons. If this societal issue can be solved by changing the dietary habits of our children, we have a responsibility to do so. And thinking of the misery of the children I see whose weight prevents them from having a normal, carefree youth, I am grateful that someone is finally taking notice and making an effort to do something for them.

    I also wonder why we think it is okay for corporations to be making money off of our young people with junk food while they are in a mandatory learning environment. Get Pepsico out of my school!

    And all this cry of the "nanny state"? Yes, children and teens need supervision, guidance and direction! Schools are responsible for students during school hours, and poor nutrition does not support good learning.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 21, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Is there anything the employee of the people doesn't try to regulate?

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    May 21, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    While some may see this as federal over-reach, the reality is that parents, local schools, and legislators are failing our kids, and we should be thankful that a federal law appears to be the final line of defense for the good of our kids' health.

    Childhood obesity and diabetes are running rampant throughout Utah. We know that diet and sugary foods are the cause (don't play the "climate change" card that "we don't know for sure what causes diabetes in kids" -- I'm sick of hearing such nonsense!).

    Because our Legislators have failed to fund our schools adequately, it is a sad commentary that schools have to break federal laws and rely on junk food sales to raise money for basic educational experiences for our kids.

    Not long ago, I saw that selling ads on class handouts was being used to raise funding at some schools -- local engineering companies paid for the right to promote their businesses on high school math exams and handouts to inspire kids to want to become engineers.

    Couldn't schools come up with something creative like this over pushing junk food and obesity?

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    May 20, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    The home is supposed to teach the children to live good adult lives, NOT THE SCHOOLS. The schools should be teaching math, science (not sex education), history, literature/English and foreign languages. Homes should be providing the other including being physically fit. If you let the feds tell you that the soda machines must go or we will fine you $15,000, do you even stop to realize what will be next? As a teacher, I can testify that if parents would be parents first and have expectations for kids, the troubles would disappear. I fear we are too deeply ingrained in the mess we have created that any help is nonexistent. How do you command parents to be better parents. PS, it would help to put the little soda drinkers in a uniform too.

  • RunAmuckMom Kearns, UT
    May 20, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    Davis should not have been fined for raising funds to pay for the programs that are cut out of the budget. Not all schools in Utah are equal in the quality or variety of education opportunities that are offered to our children. Utah has cut educational budgets while limiting fundraisers to 2 per year. Anything extra the schools can do to help where the budget doesn't touch should not be penalized. To instill a fine on a public school for utilizing what few fund raising options they have because high schoolers are CHOOSING to eat what they eat and spend where "they choose" to spend is not the answer. It is unjust. I am a parent of 4 children. I try to raise them to make better choices including those of health. As far as schools, like I said, not all schools in Utah are equal in quality or variety of education opportunities and, it is due to the lack of funds.

  • RunAmuckMom Kearns, UT
    May 20, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    All I can do is shake my head at this one. There is not enough money in Utah's budget to support all the programs children deserve. The sad thing is, even if there were fruit juices & fruits and veggie packets in there..face it, most of the children would still sneak out, be late to their next classes and so forth, all for the soda and candy they WILL go down the street to buy at the local convenient store.

    May 20, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    "not monitored for student congregating in these commons areas of school"

    Absolute Rubbish!

    It is as simple as flicking a switch. At my school the machines are turned off during and between classes.

    "really allows for a whopper of a christmas party for the staff"

    Ready for a shock? My school had the faculty and staff bring their favorite soup, bread, salad, and cookies for our Christmas party. The taxpayers generously donated the bottled water.

  • mightyhunterhaha Kaysville, UT
    May 20, 2012 9:07 a.m.


    You have got to be kidding right? Schools provide Gym classes and they do promote exercise. However the State cuts funding and puts the priority on Math, English and science and as such kids don 't attend gym. They are to concerned about getting ready to go to college.

    So with your voice of support you would also support the government in the following: 1 Kids have to go to be early as they don't get enough sleep. If this isn't enforce it will be a $15,000 fine, 2 Kids can't dirive to school as teens get in a high rate of auto accidents. If not enforced a $15,000 fine. 3. If kids don't eat vegetables we will force them too as we need to enforce a health code. If not enforced a $15,000 fine. The list can go on and on. Maybe while we are at it we can find a Stalin relative to be president, run this country and create the rules.

  • MyChildrensKeeper Taylorsville, UT
    May 20, 2012 5:05 a.m.

    There are the other issues most comments fail to recognize that goes beyond the fat food war fights in progress.

    That is that these vending machines, all of them, are located centrally and not monitored for student congregating in these commons areas of school amd non education parties and social circles. The greed for the $20,000 pop profit party funds has administrators turning their backs on class room truancy. There is no excuse for schools to run these business ventures which are minimal for education and really allows for a whopper of a christmas party for the staff. Every student not in class is a loss of knowledge they will miss for the rest of their life. Its not worth $20,000 when a school budget can take hundred thousand dollar losses and not even be concerned.

    I say remove all vending machines, even water, the schools have safe to drink no sugar added potable water provided and its free. We spend billions of dollars to have safe drinking water then go buy it bottled at higher cost than we pay for the gas we put in our cars.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    May 20, 2012 1:21 a.m.

    "1 or 2 sugar drinks will not hurt you, if your fat not drinking soda will not make you thin."

    1 or 2 cigarettes won't kill them either - these kids are fat, so obviously they aren't just drinking 1 or 2 sugary drinks.
    "In one study conducted by Harvard pediatrician, Dr. David Ludwig, found that for each additional sweet drink consumed by children each day the odds of obesity increased by 60%." So, having one soda per day increases the odds of obesity by 60% - this isn't rocket science. We are killing our kids with these drinks.

    "Can we also ban Sugar Drinks to fat people who use food stamps"

    NYC nearly banned sugary drinks for ALL people on food stamps - then Pepsi and Coke lobbyist convinced Obama to step in - Obama told NYC that if they banned sugary drinks for food stamp recipients that the Feds would take away all Federal money for food assistance programs.

    We don't allow cigarette machines in schools so why do we let in candy and soda machines? This has nothing to do with government, this has to do with parents letting our kids get poisoned at school.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    May 20, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    RE: Kalinda

    Try the the 9th admendment, it fits well,

    The government does NOT give us rights we the PEOPLE (and the states) give the government powers.

    we the people retain all rights and powers and do not need to enumerate every single one.

    and the 14th does not really apply here, although it could argued the government is not providing the students or school equal protection nor due process, and in fact there is an argument the government is using extortion, coercion, and otherwise shakingdown the school to do something for which the congess has not explicilty made law, and is invoving itself in local matters over which it has not been given authority nor jurisdiction.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    May 19, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    What is the Legal Process in this and what happens to the fines collected?

    Do you notice that it is the Fat kids who have the Soda, the thin kids drink energy drinks. Put Red Bull in the lunch room and see what happens.

    I am all for kids being fit, unfit kids usually have Dr. Slips saying that they can't dress out for gym or exercise. Some do have medical issues out side of being fat. However most of it is just plain over consumption. Ask and person who was once not healthy and for whatever reason became healthy. What they used to do and eat. Also ask them what caused them to get healthy and what they do instead of eat. Most will tell you that it has something directly to do with their social life. Sports, Friends etc. To include desire to serve a Mission.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    May 19, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    The case of Big Brother and one Snitch. Kids and Adults buy junk food and junk food is legal. Programs are paid for with sales and profits.

    Maybe if Obama is a 1 Term President, you can get your Machine back where it belongs.Programs help lower the drop out rate. A kid hates School but loves Drama or Art Club, so he/she ties a knot in it and hangs on. Most programs require GPA to take part so the kid gets the required grades win/win.

    1 Option is to Close your Campus so they they can't go to the store. But then you need Police or Security to enforce that and that cost more then the program would have. 1 or 2 sugar drinks will not hurt you, if your fat not drinking soda will not make you thin.

    Can we also ban Sugar Drinks to fat people who use food stamps. Easy just make Soda a Non Food Stamp Item. Most of these people do not have much education and many are drop outs. Perhaps because there was No Drama Program, Art, Band.

    I remember when Pizza got into the Schools in Vegas.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    May 19, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    Lets just let the Federal Government block all carbonated sales. I might just then suggest to the students that they learn the History of Chicago and the surrounding area. Better yet the school district should make it mandatory. Teach those teenagers all about Bugs Malone, Al Capone Pretty Boy Floyd, Baby Face Nelson, John Dillinger and Dean O'banion! They can bootleg the sweet stuff in and charge a premium and they wouldn't have to get around G-Men like Melvin Purvis Jr. or Eloit Ness! In the process they can learn business principles, math, chemistry, transportation logistics and Profit and Loss statements.

    The school could still makes its money while the kids pick up the pounds and all the problems that come with it! The teachers can continue to suck the system dry claiming its for the kids! Dollars to schools have tripled over the past thirty years and the test scores have had miniscule changes! If the teachers and administrators can't figure out how to spend such large sums wisely maybe the kids can in a practical way!

    The Custodial closet for the machines is still more accessible than going to a store down the street!

  • Laura M. Warburton Huntsville, UT
    May 19, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    And who here wants common core? LOL.... The system is a disaster.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 19, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    @ the truth: The 10th Amendment allows you to drink soda pop? Really?

    If schools are receiving federal lunch money, the federal government gets to put restrictions on how that money is used and what other products are available for lunches - this in no way violates the 10th Amendment.

    And FYI - the 14th Amendment restricts state governments.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    May 19, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    RE: Kalinda

    Where is it in the constitution?

    Try the tenth admendment.

    And by the way, the constitution retricts the powers of the federal government, NOT us.

    Our rights do not need to be delineated in the constitution we are a free people, no?

    Regarding Powerade

    A study has been recently recent released showing sport drinks and energy drinks to be very bad for your teeth, they are like acid on your teeth.

    Any intelligent student should know vending machines are way over priced
    Any any enterpising young mind would buy their snacks at the store, much more bang for buck.
    And even more enterprising student would be selling snacks to other students from their locker or the back car or from a cooler or whatever.

    Any the exterme left keeps trying to claim we not losing our liberties. bake sales, lemonade stands, now school vending machines, think again.

    But give them power over your health care or over your education, they have every right to control your body and your schools.

    Worth losing your liberty for?

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    May 19, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    The perils of socialism. You will be assimilated.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    May 19, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    TheOcean - you say "Are you willing to replace that $12,000 with additional taxes?"
    Of course I'll pay more in taxes - you think I want our kids poisoned by this nonsense so I can save $20/year on my property taxes? We are killing our kids, does ANYONE care????
    It's amazing how many commenters are willing to let kids get poisoned so we can save a few bucks on taxes. Despicable behavior. Inexcusable.

    May 19, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    "...profiteering for the teachers and administrator."

    Absolute Rubbish!

    At my school, 100% of the "profit" from the vending machines is used for the paper needed to make handouts for the STUDENTS.

    I have read about a few schools where the teachers actually sell advertising space on their quiz or test. Is that what you want me to do? Spend my valuable teaching time soliciting for advertising instead of helping students succeed?

    The money for student supplies has to come from somewhere. Are you willing to replace that $12,000 with additional taxes?

  • Artemisia Tridentata Hawthorne, NV
    May 19, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    This arguement was made by the other schools in the Nation some ten years ago. I'm sure that Principal Burton knows this and knows the outcome. But $20,000 is $20,000. If the "minor" clubs can raise money this way and we don't get caught, then there is more money for Football.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    May 19, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    Lovethemountains - I couldn't agree with you more - the "they're just going to buy it elsewhere" argument is so weak.
    Our kids (and Americans in general) are killing themselves with soda. Its absurd that we allow sodas, chocolate milk, ice cream, candy, chips, fried foods etc in our schools. We should be ashamed our ourselves.
    And to see so many comments on this board pushing for sodas is sad. Simply sad.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    May 19, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    Utahns are FAT - Utah high school kids are FAT. Anything that will help limit our food addiction I completely support. We are allowing our kids to kill themselves slowly.
    The idea that schools need money and so it's ok to let kids be fat in order to pay for these programs is repulsive.

  • LoveTheMountains BELLEVUE, WA
    May 19, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    Let's get cigarettes and the lottery in the schools, too!! They're gonna get that stuff elsewhere anyways, and think of all of the money they can raise. C'mon, it's for the kids!!

  • OthersShoes SILVER SPRING, MD
    May 19, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    Also, as a teacher, I'm in full support of the government enforcing regulations on corporate vending in schools. I can assure you that I don't impose my political opinions on my students, but a quick survey via google will inform you of our catapulting childhood obesity. Our food is more calorie-dens, accessible, and affordable than it has ever been. It is within ourselves evolutionarily to consume as much food as possible when its available- and subsequently rest to store it.

    Too many Americans have lost the ability to control their intake- and frankly, I don't necessarily blame it on them- nor do I think it is the intent of corporations to make people obese. However, constant access to calorie-dense food is killing us and costs our government way too much money in health care costs.

    Providing our children with easy access soda and candy is simply enabling them to assimilate to our evolotionary behavior earlier in life and more frequently.

    I personally found this out about myself- that I was addicted to food- then lost 75 pounds at the age of 23. It is still a massive struggle for me to resist calorie-dense foods.

  • OthersShoes SILVER SPRING, MD
    May 19, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    KC Mormon, a bottle of soda is also (typically) 20oz so your insinuation that Powerade is equally unhealthy to that of a non-aspartame soda is inaccurate. I think you are drawing a comparison to 12oz can, which I don't believe are sold at schools through vending machines anymore. I could be wrong. Keep in mind, even with a Powerade, that amount of sugar/calorie is way too high but exemplifies what is now a calorie-dense society.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 19, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    So, kids will go to the convenience store on the corner, but won't go to a less convenient (but still closer than the corner store) spot in the school?

    And all the school really has to do to be in compliance is turn the machines off during lunch.

    The horror of requiring schools to act responsibly!

    @ Still Blue after all these years and Laura M. Warburton: I'm sorry - could you remind me where in the Constitution it says there is a right to consume soda?

    I'm sure free speech and soda consumption are both rights listed in the Constitution, otherwise your comparison would just be silly......

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    May 19, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    Here is the problem with this, first many kids will just go off campus to buy the pop. Second for those who say well just sell powerade look at the sugar countin both. 8oz. powerade has 14 grams sugar or 3.5 teaspoons sugar 8 oz. pop is 27 grams sugar 6.75 teaspoons sugar. Sounds like the powerade is better however a bottel of powerade is around 20oz. so you actualy are getting more sugar in the powerade than the can of pop.

  • Neers Fruit Heights, UT
    May 19, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    It is just candy and soda. Candy does not make people fat, video games make people fat. TV makes people fat. Sitting makes people fat. Driving a car instead of walking makes people fat. Buses make people fat. Sometimes candy is what you need to get you through the day. Sometimes you just need some sugar.

    One of the great things about being in jr. high and high school was being able to buy candy and pop for lunch if I wanted too. It did not make me fat and it gave me something to look forward to once in awhile. I just do not see it as being bad at all. It reminds me of the day that dodgeball was banned in elementary school. Sad times....

  • migraine Indianapolis, IN
    May 19, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    So they want the federal $$ but don't want to follow the feds' rules? Surely the smart folks at Davis High can come up with drinks and snacks to sell besides soda and candy. Kids today are far more obese than any previous generation, and any efforts to help provide actual healthy and low-calorie options should be applauded. I doubt the federal lunch rules prohibit drinks/snacks altogether. Just start providing some kind of alternative besides junk food, that's all, and earn your bookstore money that way instead.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    May 19, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    RE scojos: All public schools receive federal funds, it's unavoidable. This is one reason that the largest school system in Dallas is a private system. What is stupid is the school can still sell ice cream, snicker bars (because they have nuts, hence protein) and other sweets. What makes no sense is to fine a school so they have to cancel needed programs. George Orwell was just thirty years too early in his predictions.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    May 19, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    There is a LOT of money made by schools through vending machines. Davis High (the school in the article) brings in $20,000+ annually on vending machines. They have a contract with Pepsi. Maybe Pepsi should jump in and help resolve the situation as well. They make BIG money pumping sugar into the bodies of teenagers.

    And this wouldn't be such a huge issue IF Utah financed their schools properly. It is sad when administrators have to operate our schools as a money-making enterprises because Utahans are so adverse to paying for the education of their children.

  • Laura M. Warburton Huntsville, UT
    May 19, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    All in the same day, two articles that leave me perplexed. One about a judge up holding ban on soda. The other about a judge defending Pornography. Hey, simple solution. Switch judges and let's try these again.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    May 19, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    I remember my school switching out the soda machine for a Powerade machine. While Powerade is certainly not as ideal as water or juice, it's definitely better than Coke or Mt. Dew. Guess what, the students didn't go to the convenience store on the corner (at least not in large numbers). The majority of the students simply started buying Powerade because it was convenient. Dollars kept flowing in, and the drinks went up a step in healthiness.

  • scojos Draper, UT
    May 19, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    If you don't want the Federal Government making rules DONT take their money! Utah always complains aboutthe Federal Government but doesn't mind taking the BILLIONs from Uncle Sam when it suits them.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    May 19, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    Where is the ACLU on this? They certainly spent a lot of money and time to fight Utah's pornography law but won't lift a finger on this restriction of freedom. Oh that's right, this would be a conservative stance. They don't do those.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    May 19, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Bottom line is that there are and should be strings attached to federal dollars. How about all of these so-called conservative Utahans who want to reduce federal spending, teach people how to fish, blah blah blah, stop taking federal money for school lunches. Then you may allow your children to buy all the junk they want to buy at school during lunch and watch them become more and more obese.

  • Terrie Bittner Warminster, PA
    May 19, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    While it may be true the kids will buy their junk food at the store, it is also true they will buy drugs from non-school sources. Does that mean schools ought to sell drugs to make sure they aren't cheated out of any possible income?

    A school is supposed to teach students how to live a good adult life. If the school broke the law, they sent a message to the students that money is more important than integrity. Is that how you want your tax dollars used--to teach children to put money before the law? Should schools be helping children eat or drink in unhealthy ways? This is part of their education. Some students might bring junk food to school with them, but others will simply be thirsty and will buy what is available at school. If the school is creative in choosing interesting drinks, the students will buy from the machine.

    Yes, students are being punished for the actions of the adults who are responsible for them. This is a reality of life in the "real world" everyone claims schools prepare children for.Perhaps they will learn that actions have consequences, even for the innocent.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    May 19, 2012 4:43 a.m.

    I agree, it is a local issue but the locals are failing to do the right thing and shut down this industry and misconception and profiteering for the teachers and administrator.

    I can't conceive of what these machines can profit enough from to provide any good for the 1,000+ students in the schools. The schools don't provide or promote exercise but they will promote laziness and obesity for a few bucks neglecting better food and eating habits.

    Not only are these machines bad for the health of students, they are magnets of attracting students from class and their studies to meet in commons area for gossip and mate matching. Principals are turning their backs on education and health to make money for faculty and student parties.

    I think the feds were justified in this fine, Utah schools are too profit oriented and the BOE encourages schools to profit, neglecting education and health of our children. For the health and safety of our children maybe its time the schools lock the doors and parking lots at lunch time and not allow them to visit fast food junk outlets, for the good of children and family budgets.

  • Atikokan Sutherlin, OR
    May 19, 2012 4:10 a.m.

    Typical liberal Nanny State. Next thing you know it will be illegal for kids to stay up past eight o'clock.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    May 18, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Government overreach needs to end. Let's cancel the school lunch program. Problem solved.

    Bottom line is that the school thumbed its nose at people giving it money and are trying to justify their arrogance by claiming "it's all for the kids". Gutless.

  • Call2Action Thatcher, UT
    May 18, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    Government overreach like this needs to be fought. The school should refuse to pay and the state should sue the feds to prevent this. Things like this need to end. What's next, soda in my house?

  • satch Highland, UT
    May 18, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    Amen to both comments above. This is a local issue. Considering Utah's schools are so poorly funded, they need every penny they can find.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 18, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    This is something that should be determined by local school boards and parents--not the federal government. This is typical, nanny state over reach. This has gotten so much worse since the Obama Administration took office.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 18, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    I completely get the government saying that hard earned tax dollars should not be used for supporting the sweet tooth habbit of students. Got it... makes sense.

    But banning the sale of those products to kids who would spend their parents hard earned money ( or their own) is in my opinion a gross over step of the federal government into what should be a local decision. If Utah doesn't mind helping kids achieve rollie-pollieness, that is their decision to make.

    We have far more important things to be working on than this.