Nation's longest abortion waiting period among new Utah laws taking effect

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  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    May 11, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    The principles on which the Roe v. Wade decision was based--an individual's freedom of choice, as well as freedom from government intrusion into personal matters--need to be reaffirmed. The fetus is not yet a person and its rights do not outweigh the mother's right to choose. Decisions about such a personal matter as whether to continue a pregnancy must be left to the individual who is most directly involved, the pregnant woman. An extended waiting time is useless as most women have already thought their decision over thoroughly. Like any other difficult situation, abortion creates stress. Yet the American Psychological Association found that stress was greatest prior to an abortion, and that there was no evidence of post-abortion syndrome. Nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. The concept of personhood is different from the concept of human life. Human life occurs at conception, but fertilized eggs used for in vitro fertilization are also human lives and those not implanted are routinely thrown away. Is this murder, and if not, then how is abortion murder?

    So many unsupported comments show so little understanding!

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 10, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    I happen to fully agree with 1 Cor 6: 19-20 "ye are not your are bought with a price". 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous. Agency notwithstanding; 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous. Pres Kimball quote from 4 decades ago still applies: "abortion is the most damnable heresy in the world today". 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous. "Teach them correct principles....let them govern themselves". 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    A member of my extended family, at the ripe old age of 18, became pregnant. She was struggling with major self-esteem issues, money issues, drugs - she was a basket case. Her boyfriend at the time was the kind of lowlife you'd want to keep miles away from a child. The idea that she would take the pregnancy to term would be horrifying to anyone who knew this young woman. So she, her mom, and her mom's doctor had hugely dramatic conversation and they decided that for a variety of compelling reasons, an abortion was the right thing to do.

    That was a few years ago. The girl is now in her early twenties and getting her life sorted out. Still a long road, but progress is being made. Her not spending nine months being pregnant and delivering a baby (who would almost certainly have been alcohol and drug saturated at birth) was a smart decision.

    If you don't like abortion then by all means don't have one.

    Otherwise, stop acting like you know what's best for women you don't even know.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    May 10, 2012 6:46 a.m.

    72 hours? That's it? Wow. I was hoping for two weeks at least.

  • milicent Mansfield, Qld
    May 8, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    This was a law made by males, I can tell.

    Every two years there should be a day on which the good citizens of Utah can vote for or against certain measures brought before the State Legislature. Those laws voted on in the State Legislature that have their roots in core laws (marriage, life and death, taxation, property rights, state citizenship, etc) should be ratified by the people.

    Elected State representatives should not have the right to make absolute any law that impinges on those five areas of citizens' legal rights. They should only have rights to refer them to a State-wide referendum.

    It may be eye-opening for some males to see what a balanced male-female voting outcome would be in this instance.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    May 8, 2012 3:12 p.m.


    "Want to lower the number of abortions? Sex education and contraception are the keys, yet conservatives don't seem to like preventative measures. History of humans shows abstinence is a fantasy, even in religious cultures."

    If the goal is to prevent pregnancy they your method might work. That would be an acceptable position to those who regard pregnancy as the problem.

    Religious people consider unwed pregnancy to be a problem to be sure; however, they consider it to be a symptom of the real problem: Sex outside of marriage.

    When I expressed my objections to sex education and they way they taught it in the schools the sex ed teachers always said; "If you don't think your kids are having sex you are deluding yourself." The message: Sex is inevitable.

    From the view point of those teachers premarital sex is inevitable. They almost certainly did it. They could not resist the temptation. They don't think it is possible.

    People like me who waited until marriage know that it is possible to resist the temptation. We did it. We know it can be done.

    Both sides know, from experience, that their position is true.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 8, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    @freedom in danger

    do you see the sad irony in your sign in name? You claim to be worried about freedom being in danger and at every turn you advocate for the restriction of others rights.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    I wonder what political stance aborted babies would have had if they weren't aborted.

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2012 12:52 p.m.


    Do you not think that a woman has thought about whether or not to have an abortion before going to the doctor? Do you think she is just driving by the doc office and suddenly says to herself - "its time to go have an abortion!"?

    During those 72 hours that she must wait, do you think that the father of the fetus is not going to be talking to her even more than he did before if he wants her to get an abortion? There is nothing about those 72 hours that says that she will be left alone to think about this. It has to already be a heartrending decision. Then she must wait 72 hours to mill this about in her mind and listen to everyone again say their thoughts and desires - including the father! Just 72 hours of torture for the unfortunate woman.

    Why don't we close down all the abortion clinics? The best way to do it is to make sure that every person (man or woman) is educated so that there are no unintention pregnancies. That should be our goal.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 8, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    Note that the mothers of all those arguing in favor of abortion on demand were not in favor of it.

  • Freedom-In-Danger WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 8, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    Really? People are kicking and crying and whining because... they have to think about a decision about something so morally sensitive.

    The law isn't pathetic, the fact that people would complain about it is.

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    May 8, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    Sounds like private funding needs to be raised to drive women to an adjoining state if they don't want to wait the 72 hour wait period.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    May 8, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    I like the 72 hour waiting period.
    Now if they just showed an ultrasound (video) in high school health classes so people would understand that it really is a baby it could do far more good.

    Such a law might already be on the books in Utah but if it is I don't know about it.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    May 8, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    "History of humans shows abstinence is a fantasy, even in religious cultures."

    Yes, humans have been pretty confused since the beginning. That still doesn't change the fact that abstinence until married is a good idea. Getting pregnant outside of marriage is the result of faulty decision making to begin with. The unborn child pays the price, pretty selfish.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 8, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Want to lower the number of abortions? Sex education and contraception are the keys, yet conservatives don't seem to like preventative measures. History of humans shows abstinence is a fantasy, even in religious cultures.

  • jill17 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2012 7:10 a.m.

    I like this law. As much as some want to hope it's all the womas choice whether she aborts or not, sadly, others, including the father, play a major factor. Sometimes a woman can feel the pressure to abort, when she doesn't want to or may chage her mind.
    I'm all for womans freedom, and I think this gives women a little more freedom--some allowed thinking space, when she has pressure from others. Whenever we fight for one right to choose, we lose a litle for another. I know three frinds who had abortions and they were each pressured by tthe babies father to get the abortion. Two wished they never listened and had thebaby. If we are going to really be pro choice, we hve to be open to the possibility that some women need the waiting time and space to consider keeping the baby. We're not taking the choice of abortion away here. We're allowing/giving appropiate time for appropriate decison. Something I ,as a woman, appreciate.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 8, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    Re: Schwa South Jordan, UT
    "Why is abortion the only issue conservatives seem to care about? It's decided Constitutional law. You lost. Get over it."

    Please remind us of that again this November when the Democrats are asking us to vote for them.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2012 5:19 a.m.

    Saving an embryo is not saving a life, it is saving the living and giving the living salvation from the economic distress that trouble society. Abortion is just as necessary as shots for a sick child but parents can't afford to pay the hundreds of dollars to buy. Abortions have their place and its the choice of individuals not society or those who think they know what is best for society, of unwanted clones entombed in a uterus.

    We allow doctors to euthanize the elderly and sick so what is the difference? Does this law apply to stop medical euthanization of elderly and incurable living people because they can't pay the doctor or hospital? Life does have a price if you ask any doctor or hospital.

    So humans and people do have the right to choose who lives and who dies that is inalienable and ones own choice. Any threat to life is a defensible right, whether its an embryo, doctor, police, foreign national, pro-lifer, or home invader.

    This feel good law of the pro-lifers really think they have pulled something over on society with this ridiculous law. The clone they save is their destroyers.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    May 7, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    Why is abortion the only issue conservatives seem to care about? It's decided Constitutional law. You lost. Get over it.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    May 7, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    A mcbillay

    Great idea. Let's wait 72 hours before having that casual sex and consider what would happen, say, were we to end up becoming pregnant. I like your idea.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    May 7, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    Planned Parenthood thinks the decision that a woman gets to employ is whether or not and when to kill the innocent, unborn fetus. Funny, if another decision had been made earlier by her, there wouldn't be the necessity of making the latter choice. But that would involve personal responsibility for certain behavior that planned Parenthood could care less about. Planned Un-Parenthood should be their real name!

    Of course it takes two to get pregnant, doesn't it? So why not involve the other party in he decision to abort? The woman already decided to become pregnant. 72 hours is such a pitifully short time to decide to terminate a pregnancy that has permanent consequences. One can't just completely eliminate those consequences by spending a few hours at a doctor's office, either.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    May 7, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    killing a human being compared to closing on a house?
    gret comparison

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 7, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    Re: mcbillay Salt Lake City, UT
    "Why don't we have a mandatory 72-hour law for every important decision in our lives?"

    I am in favor of giving innocent viable unborn infants the same waiting period that we give condemned killers on death row.

    If you had ever bought a home you'd know that it takes a lot longer than 72-hours just to get the paperwork approved.

  • SR1980 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    It's my understanding that Republicans, e.g. Utah legislators, continually chant for less government, so why are they hell-bent on regulating very personal decisions with State laws?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 7, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    This law actually might help stop a few women for making a "choice" that will destroy their entire lives.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    this law is just insulting to women, suggesting that they hadn't spent any time thinking about the matter when this is probably at the forefront of their mind since they found out they were pregnant. There's no purpose to this other than to drag things out and make it more frustrating perhaps in the hope that women will just give up (as opposed to methods that want to guilt women like the forced ultrasound bills elsewhere).

    "Mark my words, this law will lead to more abortions. This 72-hour law will just frustrate too many people that they will get one just to spite the law."

    Speaking of things that are just plain insulting to women... there is no reasonable circumstance where a woman is going to decide "Well I'm pregnant and this legislature is annoying... I'll show them by gettin an abortion".