To suzyk#1Actually, Ann's conduct is more consistent with a
wife who is subservient to her husband and shows it by sacrificing herself to
support what he wants to do. That's behavior that is very common (for both
the man and woman) in Latter-day Saint couples who have been married 40+ years.
My husband and I have been married almost 43 years, and have had many
discussions with local Church authorities concerning the fact tnat my husband
and I have a different dynamic for the way we govern our family (example -- one
of them wondered why my husband would "let" me go to lawschool instead
of just staying home and raising our children).From what I could see, she
followed through on the way she was indoctrinated.The bigger issue
is why Mitt didn't put her very real issues first, before his desires.
That speaks to how he looks at those over whom he feels he has stewardship. If
he truly loved and cherished her, she wouldn't be out on the campaign trail
right now. It speaks volumes to me that she's campaigning, and does not
show him well.
Mother of 4 and stay home Mom for 30 Years. Proud of it! I don't really
care what the rest of the world thinks!
no fit in SG said "A stay at home mom has more time, less exhaustion (than
women who work outside the home))HA! I Laugh in your face! My daughter-in-law
is a stay at home mom and she is often exhausted at days end. Her children do
not sit in front of the TV- she teaches them, she plays with them, she keeps a
clean and tidy home, she volunteers at school.....She barely has time to take a
potty break and she certainly does not get a hour or even ½ hr. lunch break
nor any "breaks" through out the day. ALL women should be commended on
what they do. It's got to be very hard holding down a paying job and
coming home to more work but do not say stay at home mothers are any less
exhausted than women who work out side the home. Different work- both
rewarding and both exhausting!
To: Fury 1993 - Ann Romney is right where she has chosen to be because of the
love and also the deep respect and belief she has in her dear husband, Mitt
Romney. They are a strength to each other..they are in this together which is
the way it should be. There is a constant concern about her health issues but
she is happier being by his side and that is what they have chosen to do.
It's not for anyone to stand in judgement of. They have always stood by
each other whether the going was tough or easy..that's the way it should
be. She believes he would be a good President and I agree fully with Ann
Romney..what a remarkable and dedicated couple they are and what a wonderful
President and First Lady they will be, if it's the Lord's will.
Where are my comments? Why no posts? I'm calling MSNBC to complain! Then
Rosen, et al, will have a hayday!!
Women are now half of all workers on U.S. payrolls and breadwinners or
co-breadwinners in nearly two-thirds of all families. Their incomes are sorely
needed to provide basic economic security for their families.re:djkDo Republicans value poor mothers or just those who can afford to
stay home? I see a lot of comments (from Republicans) bashing poor
people for not working. Nevermind that they might be caring for children.
Apparently they aren't really working. Ann Romney is fortunate
as you are, that you had a choice. Many do not. I feel fortunate as well, to
have had that choice after a few years of being an employee and a mom. (i believe this is my last post)
i feel that rosen does not really understand what being a 'mother' is
all about. mothering is the toughest job. full of challenges, laughter, tears,
fear, love, time with children, sacrifice of more then the children will
understand until they are parents.sadly i have seen the democratic party
bash motherhood (stay at home mothers). hilary clinton was a professional before
mother, michelle obama chose job over being a full time mother. rosen has chosen
not to be a full time mother so they have NO clue what it is like. if full time
mothers were paid this country would have more mothers at home and i say
children having more of a positive out look on life.democrats will bash
motherhood because NON of the women were/are stay at home mothers. GO ANN
ROMNEY. i am a stay at home mother and would not change this job for anything !
there are women whom have to work outside of the home and i support them
as long as they stop bashing me. i have a friend whom has to work because hubby
refuses to work !
Remember, Ann is the one who told her husband to " go fix the country".
Most women just tell their husbands to "go fix the plumbing"On the plumbing, he would have to repzir broken fixture or stop leaks or
unplug a drain.On the economy, she knows that families are losing
income, homes and liberties. So, he would have to stop the usurption of
the constitution by the executive branch, take power and recources away from
federal level and give back to states and individuals, support small business
enterprises and entrepreuneurs and American engenuity by making a partnership
with government to promote economic development instead of the hostility that
exists under the present administration.
I don't think Hillary Rosen was attacking Ann Romney's "mother at
home" status, as much as she was attacking Ann's lack of experience at
HAVING to work to make ends meet for her family. To say she'd never worked
a "day in her life" was a really tacky way to put it, but I think she
was referring possibly to a lack of understanding for what many women have to do
every day...work, and worry about feeding her family and keeping a roof over
their heads. Ann and Mitt have worked hard to get where they are, but I doubt
they've ever had to worry about making choices of either paying a bill or
buying groceries.I support Mitt, and admire Ann. This is not a
criticism, but a suggestion to look beyond Rosen's words to what she was
trying to say. However, I believe a person can have adequate "observational
experience" by their work with people who are struggling, to be able to
understand what it means to worry about the economy, and how it affects
individual people and their families.
It's clear Rosen was talking about Ann Romney not having been employed
outside the home. However, there was unequivocal push back from everybody on
the Democratic side. What a contrast to the response from
Republicans (here on DN and by public figures) when Limbaugh launched his 3 day
vile attack against a female college student.
Some moms have to work out of necessity,others work because that is what they
choose and it is their career. Some choose to stay home even though they
don't have the extra income that would give them the "extra's"
in life some others may have, but it is their choice and like the other mothers,
that is their right. Then there are the mothers who do have a spouse with a good
income that can comfortably stay in the home and not feel the pinch as some
non-working mothers do. Then we have the dads that stay home and the mother
works. They do not get much of an audience and I personally would love to see
some statistics on that. .Everyone has different reasons and it is not our right
to judge why a woman/man chooses to do what they do. Its a tough world out there
and we all do what we feel we need to.Ann Romney has had her struggles to and
its so unfair to judge her because she did not work outside the home. No matter
if we work in/out of the home we all have our struggles.
Ms. Rosen represents the activist feminist in the democratic party that believe
stay at home moms are "forced" by their husbands to raise their kids.
The Obama administration quickly tried to put out the fire because it counters
their fabricated war on women by the gop. This is politics pure and simple, just
watch how the Obamas react in panic - not only they had thrown this woman under
the bus, they made sure she is ran over and over. It's fun to watch the
dems eat up their own, good stuff!
Add:Kathleen Parker, conservative columnist, wrote an op-ed piece in
the Washington Post, entitled "Rosen vs. Romney: A faux girl fight".
She nails it, stating: "It should go without saying that this faux battle is
silly and utterly off-point, not so much a clash of ideas as a peashooter
contest in the Twitter Lounge."Pretty sad when a minor player
expresses an opinion and the crowd goes nuts!
Mountanman. GREAT comment.
As a stay-at-home mom she could have got a job at a hospital that only required
her to show up on pay day and collect some $250-300,000 for doing not much.
Then she could have said she also had a "working" job like some other
How cute... the GOP now sponsors lady wrestling and mud slinging
Why are we fanning the flames on this? Rosen apologized. The Obama campaign
was quick to condemn and repudiate the comments. Stuff gets said by people in
the heat of the moment, yet we love beating it to death, all without really
examining the underlying issues. We love the sensation, not thoughtful
discourse on content.
Wealth is a test. Do you travel and use your wealth in self indulgence, or do
you spend your time with your family. Teach your children correct principles,
Work, responsibility, and Love. One of the reasons that I have not
felt motivated with the democratic party is their support of things not related
to family values. Abortion, No encouragement to Workers but place heavy taxes
on their efforts, Support for economic policies which put our nation in debt,
and no real effort to help our nation become energy independent.I
think that the Romney family have a better way. Ann Romney has proven her work
ethic. She has raised a fine family, and works harder than the Democratic
reporter who critisizes her. I like stay at home moms. I like working Dads. I
will vote for Mitt Romney.
I am a stay at home mom and it's a very hard job! I have to be many careers
all wrapped up into one. So, I think Rosen's comment was way out of line!
I would like Rosen to walk one day in the shoes of Ann Romney or mine and then
let's see if she still thinks the same way..I don't think she would!
I would like to maybe play "devil's advocate" here, not necessarily
supporting what Ms. Rosen said, but perhaps understanding the concept.I admire Ann Romney for being the wife and mother she is. I'm happy for
her that she has been able to do that. I think what Ms. Rosen was trying to
say...but said it badly...was that many women do not have the opportunity to
choose to be home with their kids. I've been through divorce, 25 years ago,
and I had 8 children at home. I had not worked for 17 years, so my office skills
were way out of date. I went on welfare, obtained a grant for school, updated my
skills, and looked for work. It was hard finding child care for the ones who
needed it. The tires on my old car were totally bald, and a kind tire salesman
sold me 2 used tires for the last $20 I had in my purse. I found a job making
little more than I got for welfare, but I took it. My children cried when I left
for work and it was very hard. Some choices are difficult.
Although we each have only one life to live and are thus somewhat limited in our
"personal" experiences, that is no reason to claim that a person of
power or properity cannot empathize with or have actual compassion for a person
who is powerless or poor. We all have exposure to people in various conditions
of life----many that are different from our own. We all have the opportunity in
our association with others to develop the virtues of charity, compassion,
sympathy,and love of others. Christ commanded that we do so which for me is
evidence that we can. So I say that Ann Romney and everyone else can indeed
know the feelings of those who are less fortunate without being less fortunate,
although each of us is less fortunate in at least some respects. In fact, who
would choose to walk a mile in the moccasins of MS sufferer Ann Romney?
@Baccus0902: "Was Hilary Rosen wrong in her statement? Probably
Not."Why would you think a person needs to get a job to
understand US economics? The two are worlds apart, mostly. Jobs are to make
money. And raising kids is a lot more complex than sitting at a typewriter (in
her day) or a computer.
And in all of this... our illustrious leader who warned his competition and
conservative media during his campaign that his wife and children were 'off
-limits' now remains silent... again.The blatant hypocrisy and
moral ineptness of this president is beyond comprehension. Who would think that
being so liberal, like Obama, would be so fundamentally off the charts?Hooray for Ann Romney, for motherhood, and the family. Leave it to
a liberal to tear something sacred down.It's time to unite and
get serious folks. Four more years of this nonsense (Obamanation) will be the
ruin of the country as we know it.
Is it snobbish for the society to encourage young people to get higher
education? Is it a lie to tell women to stay at home and they can get equal
Ironic that this country was founded by men who worked while their spouses were
homemakers. Today, we hear people practically screaming bloody murder just case
a Mormon lives that same lifestyle. I'm not saying that 'because the
founding fathers did it, it's okay', but that a very traditional and
common 'ideal conservative' lifestyle (by most conservatives, being
religious, and largely similar) is now being placed under criticism simply for
how 'not liberal' it is.It's one thing to jump off
the "change is always good" bridge along with everyone else. It's
entirely another to start criticizing those who don't. Liberal logic at its
90 percent of the comments made on these DN pages are made by men as the women
are productively at work taking care of the world, whether in the United States
of America or the 200 plus countries around the world. The women know the
answers to the world's problems and the men cause the problems, in most
cases. This President and his First Lady have not made correct choices for
their showing the world how to live. They take extravagent vacations and when
they may take official trips, those are in excess, also. Their children have a
grandmother that stays at home but the latest vacation was for their 13-year old
daughter going to one of the highest areas restricted for travel in Mexico. Was
that wise? No. Where was the stay at home grandmother? Someone made a comment
that the President is hiding from reality. That may be true but he takes every
trip in the world around the world for conference after conference that the
Secretary of State, Commerce, and Defense could handle. He is always gone and
leaves the Grandmother in charge of their kids. The Hilary comments about
Romneys are wrong.
What a shame that a representative of the Obama administration would claim that
someone is unqualified to speak about an issue simply because they were a
stay-at-home mom. (Yes, press representatives who travel to the White House
frequently in order to be briefed on the administration's talking points
and then spread those talking points on the air are representatives of the
administration.)The funny thing is that Rosen admitted in a radio
interview that she thought that Ann Romney's positions were
well-representative of what women in America find to be the most concerning. Go
figure -- a stay-at-home mom is unqualified to talk about certain issues, even
if what she is saying is an accurate depiction of the issue at hand.To suggest that a stay-at-home mom is, by default, incapable of understanding
national affairs is akin to suggesting that someone is incapable of
understanding national affairs simply because their skin is a certain color.
Both would be egregious errors.
Parenting is a challenging job that is common to all families. For some the
challenge is more difficult than for others, especially single parent families.
But there is definitely an advantage for a rich stay at home mother who can
afford the luxury of child care and other domestic help with the job. To
compare Ann Romney's stay at home mother experience with the burden of most
struggling families with stay at home mothers, or even more burdened working
mothers is an insult to the sacrifices most mothers endure to raise a family.
@barbaraGo, Ann! Go, Mitt! And, in another sense, Go, Barack! Really,
Rosen threw the dems and the Obamas a curve ball. Amazing to watch them trash
her and acted as though they don't know who she is when she had been in
& out of the White House 35 times. You don't invite an unknown person
to the WH 35 times. The dems are in total panic that's why Obama had to
step aside from his raise tax rhetoric to comment on this. One thing for sure
Rosen expose the true dems view, stay at home moms don't work...
What have we learned from all this? What we already knew. Liberals, despite
the damage control mode for the past 48 hours, look upon stay-at-home moms as
lesser than career women. No real news here.We are still over 8%
unemployment. Gas prices keep going higher. And Obama and the Democrats, in an
attempt to drum up a campaign issue suffered a huge backfire. The Democrats are
clowns. There is no leadership with them.
@truthseeker"What policies"? Hoepfully the only ones they
promote is to lessen government and taxes and get out of the way. You guys that
seem to think the most important things are the things done by the governemnt
are the problem. I'll tell you all my working wife, myself, and our 4
children need is for you to stay out of our wallets and out of our lives.
Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little, pick a little bit
more. Politics, starts with p and that rhymes with t and that stands for
trouble, trouble, trouble! Apologies to Meredith Willson, but that's what
all of this flap sounds like to me. Politics is trouble, always has been, and
anyone out there in the public view knows it and is probably ready for the pick
a little scenario. Go, Ann! Go, Mitt! And, in another sense, Go, Barack! Really,
"or it was a statement by someone who didn't marry rich. Mrs. Romney
seems like a great lady and has done a fabulous job raising her children. They
all seem happy and well adjusted and for that she deserves high kudos. But for
her to say that she can relate to a waitress who was abandoned by a jerk of a
husband leaving her penniless to raise children on her own worrying every day
about how her children will be fed that day is a little disingenuous."Where do people get the idea that everyone on this planet is suffering,
except the rich? Ann Romney has had her fair share of demons (cancer,MS). She
could probably relate to the waitress on an emotional level, feelings of
worry,fear, uncertainty, despair...does that not count?
@Hemlock, who said:"The Lawrence O'Donnell and Hilary Rosen
outrages are part of the low road Obama re-election strategy. It is similar to
saying something patently untrue in a court of law and having the judge
instructs the jury to disregard the false statements and then admonished the
attorney. The idea has been planted in the jurors minds and the damage done,
regardless of how appalling. Jay Carney tried to separate Rosen from the
administration however Rosen has been hired by the DNC and is a consultant to
Obama's campaign. Change we can believe in?"YOU ARE SO
RIGHT!!!!!!!! This is carefully orchestrated. Believe it!
Really? Must we all play these games?Everyone understood what Rosen was
talking about. So many of you folks just love to put your Conservative Utah
Mormon spin on each article.Everyone knows a working mother comes home
from her employment with a boatload of work still to do at her home. She would
love to stay home and have more time.A stay at home mom has more time,
less exhaustion.Quit spinning and tell the truth. You cannot argue with
the simple facts.Common, people.
there is nothing inherently wrong with Mitt and Ann Romney being wealthy...
having been born into wealth and now being wealthy within their own household.
and honestly, Ann Romney seems like an excellent mother and person.what is wrong is the two of them trying to portray themselves as having had
similar life experiences as average, middle-class Americans. they've both
led priviledged lives. they shouldn't be ashamed of that. but just quit
this charade of being able to relate to middle-class women and men.
they've shown over and over again by their various comments that they
don't and can't.
Truthseeker - Just because you have not personally heard or read about Mitt and
Ann's gratitude to their parents doesn't mean they haven't
expressed it - sheesh! That was a stretch for a criticism.Republicans get out of the way so moms can parent their children how they see
Sarah Palin, can Mama Grizzlies see Russia from Florida to?.
Some people seem to be smarter than all the Dr's who think that it is
alright for Ann to be on the campaign trail with her husband. Is it really
"the last thing she needs"?I know that Mitt has been a
Bishop and a Stake President, he would "know" of people's
struggles, physical, spiritual and economical. This is something that Ann would
be acutely aware of also. Add to the fact that we do not know what callings she
has had. If she has been a Relief Society President, she would then know and
relate very well with the suffering that women go through. Do not discount what
a woman knows when they befriend someone who is less fortunate. Having served in Church leadership positions, I can attest to how much it can
prepare you for other leadership positions.
Trying to blame Obama for the stupid things media people say is a stretch. It
would be like trying to blame Romney for things published by the Desert News,
neither would be fair or accurate.
The U.S. has higher poverty rates among working mothers than many other
industrialized countries. It is nice Ann and Mitt had the choices
they did. They were able to start their large family while Mitt was still a
student--and buy a house in Boston no less. I've never heard them publicly
acknowledge or thank their parents who provided them the benefits they enjoyed.
I hope my kids will not be remiss in appreciating the sacrifice and hard work
that went toward their support and education.So what policies will
Republicans promote to support mothers?
To:Furry 1993:In fact it was Ann who suggested to Mitt that he go
into the 2012 campaign. In fact they have a relationship where Mitt stopped
doing everything to help her! I am confident that Ann Romney can say to Mitt
"I am staying home today!" But, she is out there I am sure because she
wants to be! You are the one putting a limit on her. She has a right to choose
what course she wishes to take. I will not tell Ann Romney what do. You as well
cannot tell her what to do. Your telling her to be off the campaign trail and to
give up? Why? Is it your business what decision she makes? Can't Ann Romney
have her own CHOICE? Can't she make her own decisions. Please don't
put her in a box. It is not our right. Are you saying because she has a
disability that she shouldn't be out their fighting for America her way?
Maybe this energizes her and helps her even to be more healthy? I admire her
efforts and her decision.
Before the matador enters the ring to kill the bull, there are the picadores who
weaken the bull so the matador won't have a tough time finishing it off.
Enter Picadore Rosen and Picadore O'Donnell to try to weaken Gov Romney so
President Obama can finish him off. What the Democratic Party does not realize
is that this candidate is much stronger and has much more staying power.
Ultimately, it will be Pres. Obama who will be finished off in November.
Rosen's comments were reflective of what many in the
liberal/progressive/Democratic movement really believe. Obama distances himself
from the comments because he knows they were controversial. But Rosen's
comments are in reality very similar in spirit to those Obama himself made when
he mocked conservatives who "cling to their guns and religion."Obama and those who think like him just don't believe in the same tried
and true conservative principles of traditional America. Obama wants
"fundamental change" in the American way of life.
It's really a shame there are people that run their mouths and have
absolutely nothing nice to say! Case in point Hilary Rosen,not only did she
embarrass herself but she went to another level one should never go and
that's an attack on somebody that's not running for a public office in
hopes it will help a rival candidate.Well you saw what happened it blew up in
their face. I feel the families of candidates should be off limits during the
election season period. Then what really bugs me is that sorry excuse of an
apology from Rosen.I don't think there's a rock big enough for her to
If I had a daughter, she would look like Ann Romney!
To Don17 (3;20 p.m.)You said: Mitt he may not be as polished, seen
as caring, but his heart is quietly full of love and compassion! If that were
true, she would not be out on the campaign trail right now, nor would he be
trying to make her First Lady of the United States.. She is in remission with
MS, and the LAST thing she needs is a stress-filled life. If he truly loved and
cherished her, she would not be where she is now. She appears to be a lovely
lady. She deserves better.
Mr. President your being called out! For going on 4 years you have been called
out and you have failed to step out of your Washington DC hideout! What good has
it done to manipulate the labor employment numbers, or play class or race
warfare? What single bit of good has it done to blame President Bush? Not any!
Again, none! However, this is what you will be leaving us with. A age of
defeat!As a grown man now this is what I can say without hesitation
about my father and my friend's fathers from all walks of life. They are
the fathers who always had hope in America's dream. They were willing to
sacrifice everything they could to make our lives better and our nation. That
would include being the one in the family that went without the badly needed
socks, or the doctors/dentist appointment, christmas present, or even food on
his plate to give us a better life! Now fathers and parents are being taught
that government will fix it and so what if there are no jobs being created! Jobs
creation Mr. President that is what creates and sustains Hope in America!
CHS 85love to play class warfare, don't you.
Wow! Mitt gets bashed for his paychecks while his wife for not getting them.Go figure.
Was Hilary Rosen wrong in her statement? Probably Not.Was Hilary
Rosen wrong in making her statement a criticism of Ann Romney? Probably Yes.The truth of the matter is that we cannot compare Ann Romney or any
other wealthy staying mother home with an average middle class or low income
staying home mother.The Romney family is rich. Therefore can afford
many privileges that many other can only dream about. Is their wealth a
disqualifier to become the first family of the nation? It shouldn't be.
They represent a family who could be considered the ideal family in this
capitalist society.However, It is naive to pretend that Ann Romney
shares or fully understands what a regular family goes through. She doesn't
and she doesn't have to. Mrs. Romney has skills and experiences
that make her an admirable woman, wife and mother in her own right.
The Lawrence O'Donnell and Hilary Rosen outrages are part of the low road
Obama re-election strategy. It is similar to saying something patently untrue in
a court of law and having the judge instructs the jury to disregard the false
statements and then admonished the attorney. The idea has been planted in the
jurors minds and the damage done, regardless of how appalling. Jay Carney tried
to separate Rosen from the administration however Rosen has been hired by the
DNC and is a consultant to Obama's campaign. Change we can believe in?
Truthseeker, your comments are usually so much more levelheaded than that. Your
comment was about as valuable as "Democrats pretend to be tolerant and
champion womens rights, but only if the women agree with them."
Maybe I identify Ann Romney as a role model, she has 5 boys and so does my mom.
Luckily my parents were blessed with 2 girls as well! Mom is a mom I see similar
to Mrs. Romney. Mitt he may not be as polished, seen as caring, but his heart is
quietly full of love and compassion! What shows like in my father is the
business side, the one who dealt discipline the one who was working to make our
future better because he loves and respects my mother! Mitt respects Ann and
loves her immensely. He pulls her close, shows no embarrassement in a kiss in
public and Ann recipicates by holding Mitt's waist tight when together!
They are not ashammed of true love! Neither are my parents. They protect it and
cherish it! Wanting to help America be a better place what I have seen in my
father his entire life! I see that in Mitt Romney as well. Smart, Articulate,
Organized, a Winner because he believes in his family and his country and
because his wife shares their family dream with him! Just like my parents!
Blessed no more could one be!
@raybies...or it was a statement by someone who didn't marry
rich. Mrs. Romney seems like a great lady and has done a fabulous job raising
her children. They all seem happy and well adjusted and for that she deserves
high kudos. But for her to say that she can relate to a waitress who was
abandoned by a jerk of a husband leaving her penniless to raise children on her
own worrying every day about how her children will be fed that day is a little
Your Father teaches you to trust your mother. Your mother does everything to
raise you, giving her life to you, especially when you are younger. To raise
you! So I called my mother who raised 7 kids and worked full time for many years
as well. Mom, I said which is harder raising all of us or working fulltime?
Without hesitation: Raising the 7 of you! we were not difficult kids either so
no break or non break there! I trust my mom's point of view. Even more so
on this topic. Let me add as well. Mom helped run a business, knows what is
going on in this country, loves America and accepted no guaranteed pension
benefits, but did willingly offer to continue to help raise a multitude of
Grandchildren! Comforting us in times of despair or defeat, cheering us up for
the next battle in life! Always loving always giving and never ever in 50 years
haveI heard my mother utter a ill word about another woman and not ever another
It's not much of a war if Rosen apologized and pretty much nobody is on her
So being a stay at home mother means you have to be on welfare?
Republicans pretend to care about stay-at-home mothers but then they want to
yank the safety nets out from under them.
Rosen stated out loud what many women tell themselves. But it's not
supposed to be stated. It's supposed to be an eyebrow raise, or a turned up
nose or implied by a list of moth-eaten diplomas and rusty awards.