Utah dinged on planning for climate change, water supply

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  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 8, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Re: LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT

    There was a time when the brightest minds on earth all thought it was flat and if you sailed too close to the edge you'd fall off. Similar minds today think the best way to deal with climate change is to throw money at it and buy carbon credits.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    tree hugger,

    where does the article talk about Limbaugh? Is that the best retort you have, dragging in some straw-man?

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    Gov. Herbert, via Ally Isom: "We do not need a New York City-based organization to tell Utah — based on their ideological agenda — that we are not taking steps to address our water 'vulnerabilities.'"

    This trope that out-of-state organizations have no legitimate voice in Utah affairs is stale and tiresome and inaccurate. I see it frequently applied to SUWA and other environmental organizations, despite the fact that they have substantial Utah memberships. (On the other hand, the Eagle Forum and NRA, also based out of state, always seem to get a pass.)

    Perhaps the meaninglessness of the argument would be more apparent when applied to Utahns meddling in other states' affais, say Prop 8 in California: "We do not need a Salt Lake City-based organization to tell California — based on their ideological agenda — that we are not taking steps to protect our marriage 'inequalities.'" In that case, Utahns had no qualms about crossing state lines and enthusiastically inserted themselves into a local issue.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 6, 2012 7:21 a.m.

    So What.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    April 6, 2012 5:35 a.m.

    The science of climate scare tactics have been proven a hoax by the very same science that was supposed to have said it is happening and caused by man. Climate change is a natural phenomenon and event that cannot or be influenced or stopped by man, and scientist says change is normal.

    The best thing for every one to do is just dress for the weather.

    Greenhouse gas and climate change are natural events that cannot be controlled or changed.

    It seems that fear can generate emotions for any science they deem applicable to their emotional fears. It's more likely that Dec 21, 2012 will have more to do with our future than the climate changes 50 generations in the future.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 6, 2012 5:05 a.m.

    Are there STILL gullible people who think CO2 is going to kill us all? Apparently so, but they are getting ever fewer as most of us move on from our irrational fears and now that Al Gore and others have already made their millions, which is all this was ever really about in the first place! Time to move on folks!

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:49 a.m.

    Congrats to the state for dismissing the meaningless "findings" of this environmental activist group.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:30 p.m.

    Co2 is Plant Food. Now there are air pollutions that we should be worried about, but Co2 isn't one of them.

  • Wixom Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Climate change will occur with or without us. Population throughout the world will, with a few exceptions, will grow with or without Utah. I'm pretty sure Utah will adapt to climate change as it occurs rather than stand around wringing its hands neither growing or developing resources like the anti-growth environmentalists want us to do.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 5, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    Re: "Utah is doing very little to address greenhouse gas pollution, and failing to adopt any "significant measures" aimed at its reduction."

    Good! Keep it up! Why throw money away?

  • Allisdair Thornbury, Vic
    April 5, 2012 5:35 p.m.

    I love it when the COALition against the science speaks up on climate.

    It is interesting to look at the actions, the Church, 3M and Wal-Mart. The Church has a history of sustainable building the current building department is including innovations to reduce energy and water consumption, check out the web site. 3M over the past 10 years or so have been quietly re-engineering their processes to reduce energy (Fossil Fuel) consumption and pollution including greenhouse gas. Now Wal-Mart has been reducing their energy consumption (Fossil Fuel) in the stores and the supply chain. They have cut down waste and pollution. If you doubt my words go to their web pages do a little digging and there you can read it for yourself. These organisations are doing it because it is right and it saves money.

    Just the same as if you spend a little time looking at the science to try to get past the headlines both of the deniers and the zealots. Look at the BYU research, look at the information. Then having studied it out come to a conclusion and takes it to the Lord, don't forget we only have stewardship hear.

  • Corn Dog New York, NY
    April 5, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    "by the Natural Resources Defense Council"

    That pretty much says it all as to what this evaluation is all about - and what it's worth.

    The way these things work is pretty straightforward - if you do what they want and follow their ideology - you get a good grade. Dare to deviate from eco-group-think and you get a failing grade.

    Here's an example: "Utah...was dinged in particular because of public policy positions like its November withdrawal from the Western Climate Initiative" . Utah, with only 2.8 million people, has no effect on the world's climate. On the other hand, China, with 500 times Utah's population, does matter. And China isn't joining the WCI or any other similar organization. Whether Utah joins the WCI is immaterial to preparation for whatever the NRDC predicts will occur. But NRDC is in no position to evalute Utah's preparedness anyway - they don't appear to have on staff any scientists or engineers with the necessary background and experience to do such an evaluation - only policy wonks.

    Much ado about nothing.

  • LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT
    April 5, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    Gerry Pratt
    Bountiful, UT
    …This report saying our state, among others, is being “dinged” because we are not on their bandwagon is just so full of arrogance and hubris that it is wildly beyond belief for anybody normally grounded in rationality.
    •2:12 p.m. April 5, 2012

    Says YOU and Rush Limbaugh.
    Thank’s for piping up and showing one and all why Utah got “dinged”,
    too many ignorant deniers taking AM radio talk-show hosts word as the gospel truth.

  • Gerry Pratt Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    To say that greenhouse gases are pollution is an incredible fallacy. CO2 is a meager player in so-called “climate change”. It is not a pollutant anymore than water is a pollutant. Water vapor is orders of magnitude more a player in controlling earth’s temperature than CO2. Thankfully we can count on the wonderful nature of water vapor to protect all mankind from the ravages that would inflict all life if it didn’t exist. CO2 is likewise such a wonderful atmospheric component. Virtually all life on earth depends on CO2 in the atmosphere just as much as water. I see it as an egregious, incredible hoax that CO2 has become demonized in this manner. There is a huge storehouse of evidence that shows CO2 is not the demon they say it is, and the evidence is not found in the reports coming out of the IPCC and the environmental movement. This report saying our state, among others, is being “dinged” because we are not on their bandwagon is just so full of arrogance and hubris that it is wildly beyond belief for anybody normally grounded in rationality.