Re: LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UTThere was a time when the
brightest minds on earth all thought it was flat and if you sailed too close to
the edge you'd fall off. Similar minds today think the best way to deal
with climate change is to throw money at it and buy carbon credits.
tree hugger,where does the article talk about Limbaugh? Is that the
best retort you have, dragging in some straw-man?
Gov. Herbert, via Ally Isom: "We do not need a New York City-based
organization to tell Utah — based on their ideological agenda — that
we are not taking steps to address our water
'vulnerabilities.'"This trope that out-of-state
organizations have no legitimate voice in Utah affairs is stale and tiresome and
inaccurate. I see it frequently applied to SUWA and other environmental
organizations, despite the fact that they have substantial Utah memberships.
(On the other hand, the Eagle Forum and NRA, also based out of state, always
seem to get a pass.)Perhaps the meaninglessness of the argument
would be more apparent when applied to Utahns meddling in other states'
affais, say Prop 8 in California: "We do not need a Salt Lake City-based
organization to tell California — based on their ideological agenda
— that we are not taking steps to protect our marriage
'inequalities.'" In that case, Utahns had no qualms about
crossing state lines and enthusiastically inserted themselves into a local
The science of climate scare tactics have been proven a hoax by the very same
science that was supposed to have said it is happening and caused by man.
Climate change is a natural phenomenon and event that cannot or be influenced or
stopped by man, and scientist says change is normal.The best thing
for every one to do is just dress for the weather.Greenhouse gas and
climate change are natural events that cannot be controlled or changed.It seems that fear can generate emotions for any science they deem applicable
to their emotional fears. It's more likely that Dec 21, 2012 will have more
to do with our future than the climate changes 50 generations in the future.
Are there STILL gullible people who think CO2 is going to kill us all?
Apparently so, but they are getting ever fewer as most of us move on from our
irrational fears and now that Al Gore and others have already made their
millions, which is all this was ever really about in the first place! Time to
move on folks!
Congrats to the state for dismissing the meaningless "findings" of this
environmental activist group.
Co2 is Plant Food. Now there are air pollutions that we should be worried about,
but Co2 isn't one of them.
Climate change will occur with or without us. Population throughout the world
will, with a few exceptions, will grow with or without Utah. I'm pretty
sure Utah will adapt to climate change as it occurs rather than stand around
wringing its hands neither growing or developing resources like the anti-growth
environmentalists want us to do.
Re: "Utah is doing very little to address greenhouse gas pollution, and
failing to adopt any "significant measures" aimed at its
reduction."Good! Keep it up! Why throw money away?
I love it when the COALition against the science speaks up on climate.It is interesting to look at the actions, the Church, 3M and Wal-Mart. The
Church has a history of sustainable building the current building department is
including innovations to reduce energy and water consumption, check out the web
site. 3M over the past 10 years or so have been quietly re-engineering their
processes to reduce energy (Fossil Fuel) consumption and pollution including
greenhouse gas. Now Wal-Mart has been reducing their energy consumption (Fossil
Fuel) in the stores and the supply chain. They have cut down waste and
pollution. If you doubt my words go to their web pages do a little digging and
there you can read it for yourself. These organisations are doing it because it
is right and it saves money.Just the same as if you spend a little
time looking at the science to try to get past the headlines both of the deniers
and the zealots. Look at the BYU research, look at the information. Then
having studied it out come to a conclusion and takes it to the Lord, don't
forget we only have stewardship hear.
"by the Natural Resources Defense Council"That pretty much
says it all as to what this evaluation is all about - and what it's
worth.The way these things work is pretty straightforward - if you
do what they want and follow their ideology - you get a good grade. Dare to
deviate from eco-group-think and you get a failing grade. Here's an example: "Utah...was dinged in particular because of public
policy positions like its November withdrawal from the Western Climate
Initiative" . Utah, with only 2.8 million people, has no effect on the
world's climate. On the other hand, China, with 500 times Utah's
population, does matter. And China isn't joining the WCI or any other
similar organization. Whether Utah joins the WCI is immaterial to preparation
for whatever the NRDC predicts will occur. But NRDC is in no position to evalute
Utah's preparedness anyway - they don't appear to have on staff any
scientists or engineers with the necessary background and experience to do such
an evaluation - only policy wonks. Much ado about nothing.
Gerry PrattBountiful, UT…This report saying our state, among
others, is being “dinged” because we are not on their bandwagon is
just so full of arrogance and hubris that it is wildly beyond belief for anybody
normally grounded in rationality.•2:12 p.m. April 5, 2012================= Says YOU and Rush Limbaugh.Thank’s
for piping up and showing one and all why Utah got “dinged”, too many ignorant deniers taking AM radio talk-show hosts word as the gospel
To say that greenhouse gases are pollution is an incredible fallacy. CO2 is a
meager player in so-called “climate change”. It is not a pollutant
anymore than water is a pollutant. Water vapor is orders of magnitude more a
player in controlling earth’s temperature than CO2. Thankfully we can
count on the wonderful nature of water vapor to protect all mankind from the
ravages that would inflict all life if it didn’t exist. CO2 is likewise
such a wonderful atmospheric component. Virtually all life on earth depends on
CO2 in the atmosphere just as much as water. I see it as an egregious,
incredible hoax that CO2 has become demonized in this manner. There is a huge
storehouse of evidence that shows CO2 is not the demon they say it is, and the
evidence is not found in the reports coming out of the IPCC and the
environmental movement. This report saying our state, among others, is being
“dinged” because we are not on their bandwagon is just so full of
arrogance and hubris that it is wildly beyond belief for anybody normally
grounded in rationality.