Sen. Orrin Hatch's seniority a key issue during GOP candidate debate

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  • DefiniteMaybe Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:30 p.m.

    Great, Good, or Bad... Bottom Line... 42Yrs is Too Long.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    April 5, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    Daddiooh, Term limits are only a pipedream if you make them so. This is a govt of the people, by the people, remember?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    LDS lib,

    You KNOW that if Hatch gets the nomination he will win re-election. As much as we dislike Hatch, we despise seeing harry abuse his position as majority leader and damaging the country as a result.

    But I will be watching the polls on election night, and if the repubs gain a safe majority in the senate without him, I will vote for Ashdown so we can be SURE Hatch will not be the repub nominee in 2018. If we need Hatch to keep harry from being majority leader – sorry Pete.

    Being friendly with the other side does not make one an enemy to conservative values. However, when you defer to your liberal friends and vote “present” because your liberal friend is not there to offset your vote, your friendship has compromised your allegiance to your constituents. Hatch as done that.

  • Daryl Acumen PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    Hatch did an exceptional job of defending his record while literally being attacked from both sides. I think he made his case in spite of laughs and jeers from the Liljenquist supporters in the audience and he did it with confidence and with dignity.

    The man who came out of this debate looking the best however was Chris Herrod. Chris was able to make his case for the job without appearing arrogant or relying too much on a single legislative accomplishment in his career. I think what we saw last night was a statesman in the twilight of his career, a leader coming into the spotlight, and a politician on the attack.

    It was very interesting to watch.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    April 5, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    I was not impressed with Hatch, I have been a supporter of Herrod but really like what I heard from Liljenquist. I thought his point on Medicaid part D was very damning for Hatch who defended it by saying it came in under the estimated cost. Liljenquist then logically explained that whether it cost 16 trillion instead of 23 trillion does not matter when it was unfunded to begin with.
    So Hatch pushes a balanced budget amendment, which he wears as a badge of honor, but in practice makes no effort to balance the budget but instead helps add 16 trillion dollars in liabilities by voting for unfunded programs. Sounds like a Washington politician furthering his political career instead of doing what is right for Utah and this Nation. Who here really wants to take the chance that after 36 years he will all of a sudden change his tune?
    And by the way, a Senator even more conservative than Hatch is in line for the Finance Committee Chair if Hatch loses. His point on that topic is moot.

  • Daddiooh Orem, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    Why is it that being friends with a democrat, even one as liberal as Ted Kennedy, makes you an enemy to conservative values? I don't get it. It is this stupid polarization of left vs. right ideals that is causing more harm than good in our country.

    I was at a townhall meeting last week for Liljenquist and he was waffling on his answers as much as the next guy. He was trying to feel our group out and answer accordingly. I didn't like it.

    That being said, I think Orrin has done a very good job over the years for Utah. Do I agree with every vote he has cast? No. But at least he has the statesman ability to reach across the aisle and try to get something done. This new breed of hard right conservatism mixed with the hard left liberalism is getting NOTHING done and damaging our country.

    I am a state delegate and I am voting for Hatch. The possible finance committee post isn't the reason. But, since term limits are a pipedream I strongly feel that Utah can't afford two junior senators to be in office at the same time.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Senator, do you recall what you said in a debate with Senator Moss when you first ran? What goes around comes around, and usually it is traveling much faster than when it left.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    Since Hatch wants to be head of finance committee, would he resign his seat if he doesn’t get that post?

    He is more of a decorative stamp from Utah than a senator.

    In the past 4 years has he done one thing positive for Utah?

    He plans to do something good, but living outside of the present has been his downfall.

    Now he says Mitt wants him there and together they will ….what?

    According to Paul Volcker Mitt’s tax plan will increase the deficit by 2 trillion over the next 10 years so either Orrin or Mitt will be unhappy as the balanced budget will be even more out of reach.
    Seems to me Senator Hatch is looking for life lines.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    At the debate, Liljenquist showed that he has the experience, the right principles, and the drive to be a great senator. And Herrod showed a lot of class when he spoke up to defend Liljenquist against Hatch's frivolous charge of "missing votes."

    Hatch did a lot of good many years ago, but in more recent terms he has become part of the problem in many ways, and has voted to increase the size and cost of government. Some of his responses last night seemed rather petty and defensive. The fact that he was conservative and did a good job a long time ago is NOT a good reason to continue to prop him up when we have much better alternatives, especially not with the national crisis we are facing.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Here’s to the good the Good Senator, who has proposed the “Balanced Budget Amendment” 17 times, and voted gosh how many time to INCREASE the U.S. Deficit over his 36 years in the Senate.

    And this from a Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee wanna-be?
    [Just a quick reminder – the GOP has to win majority of the Senate, which is not to likely to happen.]

    But, Red is the color of the GOP,
    And voting for another Red Herring promise by Orrin Hatch is the game he’s played for 36 years.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    I have not voted for Orrin Hatch for the last 3 elections. I want to see term limitations in place for all elected officials. However, if he can make a difference in this election coming up in working with a majority in both houses, let's vote him in for ONE more term. Maybe he will finally listen and see if we can't put into law that limits how long a politician can serve. We have a limit on the President, why not all elected officials?

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    The fact that Hatch has to hang his hat on seniority to campaign on is an indictment of the system. you get the powerful seats by staying there the longest. I think that we need a term limit ammendment in congress, just like we do in the presidency.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    What was it that Hatch said to Frank Moss, when Moss had been in the Senate for 18 years? Something about being there too long, out of touch, we need need blood. If seniority is important now, if clout is important now, it was important then, but apparently Hatch does not think so. Hatch is a politician, not a statesman and he will be replaced by another politician, either this year or later.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Hatch’s seniority does not do ANY good if he doesn’t vote the right way. After all, his good pal Ted Kennedy had TONS of seniority, but we knew we could count on him to vote incorrectly.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 5, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Re: I M LDS 2 Provo, UT

    Better get used to the fact that Hatch will win the GOP nomination to run for his senate seat this November, and that he will win against his Democratic opponent by a landslide.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:50 a.m.

    i was very disappointed at the performance or lack of it at the debate by our 36 year incumbent US Senator. He has been missing votes right a left this year, some estimate a third of them, and goes after Dan Liljenquist for missing a few votes?

    In his first term, Dan Liljenquist did more to get Unanimous support from both houses and both parties for 7 of nine bills last year, than Sen. Hatch has been doing with his seniority. We don't have that in Washington and we need it. Non-partisan solutions.

    Sen. Hatch ran 36 years ago, saying we don't need seniority. We had a new senator in 1974 and Sen. Hatch replaced our 18 year senior senator in 1976. Now he says he is the only one besides Mitt to save this county? Without Sen. Hatch that HAFB will close? So we just figure that will happen in 6 years, because Sen. Hatch is the only one?

    Senator Hatch lost his temper, didn't stay in the time allotted or follow the rules.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Utah's version of Strom Thurmond? I find it incredulous that another term will be any different than the prior six terms. Nothing is going to change. If you like Orrin, then vote for him. If you want change, then vote for change and don't complain about Washington. Orrin IS Washington, whether he is in the minority or in the majority.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    Why are they debating, are they nut cases? they need to follow the big corporate money!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    April 5, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    Mr. Hatch has been in DC so long now that even he doesn't realize he is no longer connected with Utah and her interests. The same thing that happens to all professional politicians has happened to Senator Hatch. He is a Washington crony, not a statesman. A doggone" change in leadership is mandatory.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    The finance committee is Hatch's horse to ride in this race. But he is flogging it to death, and exaggerating the importance of the position. On the other hand, it is fair that Hatch should be at least partly blamed for the situation the nation finds itself in. Hatch insists he will be "an agent of change". What? 36 years wasn't enough time to be the agent of change, Mr. Hatch?

    I don't buy it. Hatch is too immersed and connected in Washington. He has made a mint in Washington, and it is high time he retired.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    April 5, 2012 5:16 a.m.

    I remember the many times over the years that Orin Hatch has been a leading conservative voice. He has many accomplishments. Now, after years of battling tooth and nail against the liberal agenda all is forgotten. o me, to throw him out is needs to be a reasonable and well thought as to who would rep;ace him and not a knee jerk reaction. This is his last term. Change now, just for the sake of change is not what we need. Whoever we pick will needs to be a good choice. One that will be able to have the ability to effectivley bring about change. Right now, Orin Hattch is the man that can most effectively bring about the change we need.