Judge dismisses challenge to Utah liquor laws but leaves room for revised lawsuit

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  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 28, 2012 6:08 a.m.

    Re: no fit in SG St.George, Utah 7:03 p.m. March 27, 2012
    "You will enjoy your occasional drink much more in states that surround Utah."

    The person looking for faults in the state where they live are seldom disappointed. People looking for the good in the same state are also seldom disappointed. It is all in the attitude of the individual.

    Utah is a great state full of beauty and decent good people. Perhaps the problem is within the person seeking to find fault.

  • JCH San Diego, CA
    March 27, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    no fit,

    I don't think that's true. I'm stationed in San Diego, but I grew up in Salt Lake City. I've had many fine drinks there, as well as many reasoned conversations about public policy with reasonable people. I still enjoy Utah much more than I do any of its surrounding states.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    March 27, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    Well, should you be headed east from California for whatever reason, steer your auto either north or south while in Nevada. You will enjoy your occasional drink much more in states that surround Utah. Any reasonable argument you may have concerning liquor laws will be completely ignored in this state.

  • JCH San Diego, CA
    March 27, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    I'd bet I'm far more conservative than any of the posters to this article, and I thoroughly enjoy a few things:

    1. A cold beer while watching a ballgame at whatever Derks Field is called now.
    2. A glass of wine with dinner.
    3. A single-malt at the end of a long day.

    I also embrace the freedom to enjoy these things without undue burdens placed on me. If I believe the State, through its police powers, has unduly burdened this freedom, what are my best options for redress? I am genuinely curious about your opinions.

    A second set of questions to which I'd love to get responses: If I'm engaged in a lawful trade that involves distribution of alcohol, what limits does the State have to restrain my trade? Are there any? Can the State completely restrain my trade? Would that make a comfortable society?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    March 27, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Great PR move by the Hospitality Association. Sue the State and the LDS Church. This move will certainaly make many friends at the Utah Legislature where the laws of this state are made. Good luck Hospitality Association the next time you want the Legislature to loosen Utah liquor laws which BTW they have done many times over the past several years and the LDS Church has even gone along with the new laws.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 27, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Re: Happy Valley Heretic
    "But the Church isn't as politically involved with killing yourself through obesity, and diabetes"

    The smokers tried these same worn out generalities when the Utah Clean Air Act was adopted. Now the rest of the United States is following our lead. With regard to obesity the LDS Church has something they call the "Word of Wisdom" wherein people are encouraged to practice moderation in all things.

    Look on the bright side. This gives the liberals something to complain about.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 27, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    All I can say is "Supersize it for a quarter more" is probably more of a threat than happy hour, since there are children at risk too. But the Church isn't as politically involved with killing yourself through obesity, and diabetes.

    Why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol?
    To make other people more interesting, or even tolerable.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 27, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Re: no fit in SG
    "Utah is such an unusual place"

    Yes, Utah has a reputation for being conservative, and it will stay that way as long as a majority of us vote for legislators who share our attitudes and beliefs. There is a reason why liberals in St George feel like they don't fit in. I question whether they enforce "compulsive religion" in southern Utah but I do know that drunk driving, gambling, and association with professional women for hire is discouraged.

    Liberals are welcome to live among us if they chose but they shouldn't expect to to lower our standards to match theirs.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    Asking the Utah Hospitality Association to dictate legislation is letting the fox guard the he house. They have one agenda and that is to increase sales. They have no stake in the health of the community and they certainly ignore the recommendations of the US Centers for Disease Control regarding the problems related to alcohol consumption.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    March 27, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Utah is such an unusual place, and there is not much hope for change. It is quite obvious that the state and it's "rules" sent down from the past, will continue on. We observe obsessive, compulsive religion year after year because so many are thrilled to live in that environment.
    The old guard residents are not kidding when they say, " If you don't like it here, you can leave."

  • snowman Provo, UT
    March 27, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    The Church does not nor has it ever told anyone how to vote.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 27, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol? Why not just hit yourself in the head with a hammer every day, the effects are about the same and think of the human suffering we could eliminate!

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    March 27, 2012 7:09 a.m.

    You mentioned only two possibilities. I can think of a dozen other explanations. Our court system is anything buy "black and white."

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 27, 2012 6:15 a.m.

    Either Lisa Marcy didn't do her homework or the Utah Hospitality Association's lawsuit doesn't have any merit. Which one is it? In either case U.S. District Judge Bruce Jenkins isn't going to give them a free ride.

    Time for the Utah Hospitality Association to put up .... or quit wasting the court's time.

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    March 26, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    This lawsuit is clearly about embarrassing the church into silence; it really has nothing to do with the law. The judge is being overly kind to give the Utah Hospitality Association a chance to amend. In my opinion, they should not be allowed to even do that because if their lawsuit is to succeed, the remedy is to deprive the church and its members of their First Amendment rights. This is a shameful lawsuit.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    A couple Church representatives using the word "repercussions" was not inappropriate, conspiring, or threatening in any way. Repercussions: "An unintended consequence occurring some time after an event or action". Suggesting something will have unintended consequences is perfectly appropriate.

    Furthermore, the Church didn't suggest its own stance but suggested all Utah voices should democratically come together to protect freedom to choose and public safety simultaneously. This fact negates these ridiculous accusations.

    It is troubling that we have to spend so much time defending the right of people, individually and peaceably assembled, to voice their own opinions- exercising free speech. It is conducive of freedom and democracy to argue against an opinion, not the right to voice that opinion. The liberals that are making such self-serving claims may think that they will eventually win their way into power, but ultimately democracy will surface in this country. In the end, our free thought and free speech will be what we are most willing to defend- for ourselves and our families.

    We all know right from wrong, those fighting such a simple true principles of freedom eventually will have to face the truth.