Will Herbert's veto reset the conversation on sex education?

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  • the truth Holladay, UT
    March 18, 2012 7:20 p.m.

    The solution is simple and it may partly already work this way:

    Have the lazy irresponsible parents be required to opt their lame children in and bet required to pay a fee that fully covers the class and each child if they want the governement to teach them all about sex.

    Really fearful irresponsible left!? You need the 'guvmint' to teach you about sex?

    (my guess is if had to pay a significant fee they would suddenly find they no longer need the government to do the teaching)

  • SuziQ Springville, UT
    March 18, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    I hope that the conversation that is reset is the propensity of our elected officials to pass bills that are not supported by the general public. Since the legislature decided to pass a bill on sex education that was not supported by the general public or by educators, I wonder who wanted the bill to be passed? I am disappointed by the attitude that if we educate our children with the basic facts of life, they will somehow feel that they have been given permission to have sex. I mentioned this idea to my teenage children and they laughed. There is a saying: "I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves." We as parents can and should teach moral behavior. The schools ought to teach the correct and scientific facts of life. "All we have to fear is fear itself." Even in California, where I grew up, we were taught that abstinence was the only sure protection from pregnancy,STD's, and AIDS. We also need to realize that those who do not have good direction at home need to know these facts. Our society pays for their lack of knowledge with abortions and unwed pregnancies. Who wins then?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 18, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Legislators are part of the system too. It is not just what they interpret but the other groups that link with the Republican Party and in Utah make their views sort of sound like the Republican Party's views. Every Senator and Representative candidate, whether already elected or wants to be elected the first time get scrutinized by these outside groups placing undo pressure on these candidates. Those candidates and elected officials are pressured by these lobbyists to push their groupÂs agenda or face ouster the next election by those groups. They are a factor in Utah and are not the Party but push their agenda forward as if it was the Party. End-run tactics are their never ending game as they donÂt want the public to really know until it is too late in the legislative process. That is not necessarily the Integrity that Republicans should have in Utah. To get around the rules is not the straight process. However, it needs to be addressed or the Republican Party will be overrun by outsiders that appear to be insiders. They need to work within the system and not from without.

  • metisophia Ogden, UT
    March 18, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    RE: the Republican platform.... What is written now sounds lovely. I can agree with the platform. I have a huge problem with the bills some legislators come up with to match their own interpretation of the platform.

    The public response to HB363 this year showed that most parents are fine with the way things are right now. We can always look for ways to tweak things, but it takes courage to look at something and say, "Nope, we're not changing it because it's still a good thing and changes would only weaken it."

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 18, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    I agree that in 2013, the Platform will be agreed to with changes but this year the platform is final, next year is a different ballgame.

    Democrats capitalize on our end game tactics.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    March 18, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    @Hutterite: That's been the plan all along. Distract the people with social issues (gay marriage, immigration, healthcare, etc.) and completely eradicate their way of life while they aren't looking.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 18, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    I agree with JWB about the tendency of the legislature to try ramming through unpopular bills at the last minute. However, it is NOT the duty of delegates to agree with the Party Platform. The reason it is read at the caucuses is to give attendees an opportunity to discuss what they want to change or keep. The duty of the delegates they elect is to control/revise the county and state platform in their 2013 organizing conventions.

    Even the Republican Party is a democracy where members choose the delegates who revise the platforms every two years. I stood up and proposed a number of revisions, as did some others.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 18, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    Vouchers, GRAMA, and sex-educations bills wait until the last minute and draw ire from the public and the legislature faces problems. This time the Governor did the right thing and Legislators get elected this year with County and State conventions where Legislators trying to keep their seats. The Republican Party should be the emphasis at their own Convention. This is not a third-party convention. The people at the caucus and conventions accept the Party Platform but some want to splinter that by becoming elected as a delegate and then pushing their own agenda. Some had the opportunity the last two years after the defeat of Bob Bennett to change the platform for their groupÂs beliefs and if the Party bought in, then they need to accept the Platform and By-Laws and not go against them at the Conventions.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 18, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Once again, in time of economic problems, our legislature has opened up a can of social wedge issues.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 18, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Yes, it will reset the conversation. Unfortunately, the state legislature believes it is above giving into public pressure. They will forge on and show that they don't really believe in parents' rights to choose the education for their children. Perhaps this is another example of why they don't like the idea of being a democracy.