Will concurrent courses get ax if sex ed bill becomes law?

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  • TheCommentary Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    It seems that some people are so afraid of this sexual education but have no idea of what the curriculum is. Utah has one of the most heavily regulated sex ed. curriculums in the country and the syllabus has been put under massive scrutiny by school districts and especially the PTA. It is an abstinence-based curriculum--meaning everything they teach supports abstinence before marriage. It is an opt-in system--so if you don't sign the permission form, your child does not receive and sex ed. instruction. You can also choose the level of education your child receives in sex ed. That is the main point here--maybe you don't want your kids to receive that education, a lot of families do. Before this bill, everyone had their own choice in what was best for their child. Now the state makes a blanket decision for every family in Utah. Why is the government telling me what's best for my child? Why is the state forcing the beliefs and ideals of a minority onto everyone? That's not freedom. That's not America!

  • TheCommentary Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that parents should totally take on the issue of sexual health education. In the real world, the majority of parents don't talk to their kids about this issue. On top of that, parents don't know all the facts to be able to give their kids reliable information about this subject. You can't expect parents to know all about STDs, pregnancy, human biology and sexuality or public health! Yes, parents should definitely talk to their kids about sex, but they can't possibly have all the information kids need to arm themselves against poor decisions. That's the reality. Just like abstinence being the only sure method to stop the negative effects of sex. That is correct, abstinence is 100% effective, but the reality is abstinence doesn't happen. No matter how much you preach abstinence in your household, these high school students will continue to be sexually active. In fact 60% of students who took the 'vow of abstinence before marriage' still engaged in sexually activity. It's hard-wired into us all and it's too important an issue to be ignored. This video says it all really well -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MJHK0eV8Fk

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    March 16, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    Let us postulate that there are materials provided in adult level classes that are appropriate for adults but that are not necessarily appropriate for minors. Rifleman has suggested a few.

    If the intent of this law is to codify that concept so that the school board has no question what direction they should take when designing the curriculum for public schools, it is logical and beneficial that those same restrictions should apply to any course work provided to minors, regardless of whether it is sponsored by the grade school or the college. In legal terms it is referred to as contributing to the delinquency of a minor to provide things to a child that are not age appropriate. It may be legal for a fraternity to host a beer party, but it is not acceptable to invite juveniles.

    I do have to agree with Lost in DC. The headline implies that either classes will be canceled or that the concurrent registration program will cease to exist, neither of which is true. It simply places restrictions on which classes juveniles may participate in. Your headline writerÂs attempt at sensationalism is misleading at the expense of accuracy.

    March 16, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    I do believe in the free and unhindered dissemination of information. there is a time for everything under the sun (religious enough for you?) I have problem with teaching religious theory in school or even having a time set aside for prayer (the main argument there is against instructor led prayer, i.e. giving a person in power the ability to force upon my child their distinct religious view).
    How can you claim that someone is free to make their own choices when they do not have all the information they need to make that decision. Compare it to a stock broker who withholds vital data. he is not lying to you. Every data point he provided is the truth, but your decision can still be coerced by not knowing it all. Only giving that information that makes your point of view look the best is robbing someone of their right to choose.

    March 16, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    Your counter examples are laughable, and two of the three are the basest kind of hyperbole. I have no knowledge of consensual sex between to individuals (excepts in a few instances) as being illegal. Thus, your comparison of sex to illicit drugs or a life of crime are ludicrous.
    Your example of handguns carries more merit. As a matter of fact, i do teach my children about gun safety. And i will send them to a class that teaches gun safety so they can receive a blue card when they are 12! You choose to completely ignore my previous statement about embarrassment. I do not believe that my child will reach a point where he or she becomes too embarrassed to ask me about rifling, shell gauge, or proper aiming. This is, however, a very distinct possibility when it comes to the realm of sex.

  • GiuseppeG Murray, Utah
    March 16, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    re: ChemicAl: "how exactly do we create an "american of free will and mind" by limiting and controling the flow of information?"

    I'm curious, do you really support the free flow of information to Americans? So teaching religious creation theory in public schools wouldn't bother you? Or prayer in school? Or religious music in school concerts? How about information that might be objectionable to general societal values? Do you really have to experience ALL information to be of free will and mind? Who gets to decide how much information is enough to be free?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Re: ChemicAl 7:25 a.m. March 16, 2012
    "I apologize, My2Cents, but how exactly do we create an "american of free will and mind" by limiting and controling the flow of information?"

    Since some students are going to get involved in the sale and use of illegal drugs obviously schools schools should provide instruction on their safe use.

    Since some students are going to play with handguns schools should provide instruction on their safe use.

    Since some students will get involved in a life of crime a course in criminal law would be appropriate.

    If there is anytime left it wouldn't hurt to give the students an education in reading, writing and arithmetic ..... which is why most of us send our children to school in the first place.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Regardless of where you sit on this issue, it would be nice if the headline were more honest. By omitting the word ÂsomeÂ, the editors gave the impression ALL concurrent classes would be get the ax.

    March 16, 2012 7:25 a.m.

    I apologize, My2Cents, but how exactly do we create an "american of free will and mind" by limiting and controling the flow of information? Perhaps you think George Orwell had it right when he said "freedom is slavery" and "ignorance is strength".
    I am betting you that the vast majority of the "protectors" are parents. One does not have to think as you do to be one these days. And as for best taught at home. I am a parent and i am young enough to remember how embarrassing it is to discuss these sex ed with your parents. I am more than willing to teach and guide my child, but i am aware there will come a time when he or she may not want to talk to ME. Where then should they turn for the information they need about a body that is solely theirs? Here, let me hand you a brand new, state of the art, medical instrument. Oh, but wait, you cannot have the user's manual because there is info in it that i have deemed is not appropriate for you. Ridiculous!

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    March 16, 2012 4:21 a.m.

    Of these thousands? of protectors, how many are parents? I can't believe that parents are too ashamed of themselves and their identity to take over this parenting responsibility. Why are we wasting millions of precious tax dollars on subject matter best taught at home?

    I think all this protest is coming from planned parenthood and other tax funded radical groups who will lose their jobs. I object to planned parenthood or any other activist organization from pushing their political motives and ideals on innocent children in the schools and classrooms. These children and students would be better served and prepared for the world if they were given more suitable classes to deal with being and american of free will and mind and educational courses.

    Let the law pass and get the radicals out of our schools.