I think this pastor has his wires crossed. Mormonism has never been racist. Why
can't we all get along?
Um, Anon 808, Romney already announced that he has found his former pro-abortion
view to be wrong. You've never had a stupid view you later realized was wrong in
your life? Oh, and he was a uh, Stake President, yeah.
One more point.... Native Americans are offerd a FREE education at BYU and offer
foster homes to Native American children so they can get a good education and
return to help their people. What does this the church of this misguided
minister's church do for Native Americans?
Romney who I did not Vote for in the Hawaii republican caucus last night. As it
is appears to be he is "not Mormon enough" do to what appears to be his
his stand on Abortion. He appears by his History and Actions to be Pro Choice.
That would end his relationship with me except as a least of all
evil. The least of all Evil still being Evil.The Churches stand on
Abortion appears to have changed slightly. No longer is a person taking part in
an Abortion subject to Church Punishment. Selective enforcement being the Key
thereSo first to renounce being a Mormon you must be a Mormon. Also
it is None of the Pastors (who should be about love and gaining knowledge)
Business. Romney is No Worse A Mormon then Kennedy was a Catholic.
America has nothing to worry about. Nor for that matter Nixon a Quaker.
When I was a Baptist, I was never asked to give a Talk, I was never allowed to
give a Name and a Blessing, and I was never asked to say either the opening or
closing prayer. I could say for certain that I never Baptized anyone, and never
gave Priesthood Blessing.I can also say that the above rang true to
the other 5 or 6 faith groups that I belonged to from age 12 to age 42. Also
include the Army and just going to Chapel Services.We do not even
want to address or mention any singles programs either youth adult or otherwise.
Nor Stake missions, Nor Temple Work, Nor Home Teaching. Nor Institute attendance
and graduation.Until at age 42 I joined the LDS Church then all of
the above happened except singles programs.In every Church I have
belonged to I have found found some Racist. Racist are not always White by the
way. The street runs in several directions. What scares me is that I
am sure that this Pastor loves Jesus, yet in his unfounded bias and hate purely
based on knowledge he does not have. He speaks and spreads Hate. Blocking his
Since Santorum cannot win, and joins Doziar in attack on the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints. Maybe they think if Mitt Romney is elected and does
a really good job. Their congregations will all join the mormon Church. There
is no paid ministry and people are very happy.
Huntsman, who I believe privately denounced Mormonism years ago, won't have this
problem when he runs again. I truly believe he'll publicly denounce his faith
to the LDS church someday while running for office. Not to flip-flop ... but to
finally come out about it.It's hard being born into LDS and to leave
... VERY hard.
@AKFan Re... "No Christian religion has a history that is free of the stain
of racism. How do we build bridges to the future by dwelling in the past?"
Well said, sir or ma'am! In a nutshell. You done good.
Who gave this reverend the position or authority to demand that someone else
renounce his religious faith? Are right wing Protestants going to renounce
their Doctrine of Original Sin (which asks all of us to blindly accept guilt,
without proof, for the transgression of Adam)?
One issue Dozier has (besides misquoting LDS) is that he misunderstands the
BofM. Anti-Mormons tend to read LDS scriptures from a 19th Century point of
view, then they condemn Brigham Young etc, for doing so, even though LDS lived
in the 19th century, and were surrounded by mainstream Christians with truly
serious anti-Semitic and racial issues. People donÂt know that most
Mormons are probably dark skinned and that ancient Book of Mormon people would
not have understood our modern racism issues. If there WERE any racism in the
Book it would be that white Europeans are called ÂgentilesÂ who lack
charity and must seek to be adopted by Native Americans. Ancient
dark skinned writers used symbolic language when describing religiosity (see
wiki: white skins) and those who wrote the BofM were probably all dark skinned,
and were definitely one race, so they couldnt be racist. They couldn't tell the
difference between a Lamanite or Nephite except by language and perhaps dress.
If anyone is a chosen people in the BofM it is the dark skinned Native Americans
who are descended from Joseph and his Egyptian wife (of Ham, Asia?).
When will people learn that we are electing a president not a religion? I'd
have more DISRESPECT for someone who immediately denounces his religion in order
to get more votes. That certainly says "I'm an honest guy who wants to be
elected", doesn't it? Then you'd hear these same fools clamoring that there
had been .....wait for it....."flip-flopping". Stop allowing uneducated
fools to call the shots and do your own research.
It's interesting that Dozier is a Baptist (the DN won't let me post what MLK had
to say about them,so...or was it the other one rejected?? On symbolic language)
but he is a Santorum supporter, and Santorum can get away with this:
"Catholic leaders issued a letter Friday to GOP presidential candidates
Newt...Santorum...urging them Âto stop perpetuating ugly racial stereotypes
on the campaign trail.(I hope these same good Catholic leaders will
also speak out against the anti-Mormon prejudice of Dozier and everyone else :
)) And, it's also interesting that Santorum's Church leaders can get
away with saying this recently: search whitewash genocide by Thomas Dahlheimer,
and that the United Nations conference on racism determined that the racism in
non-LDS mainstream Christianity is responsible for the enslavement and genocide
of at least 90 million people, and yet, Mormons are still labeled as racists by
them. True, Brigham and others believed some ideas taught by
mainstream Christians (including Dozier and Santorum's Churches (atheists, the
gay community, Muslims, etc have serious racial issues also but...) but BYoung
also called on Congress to protect Blacks from abuse by Christians, and said
whites were cursed, for their mistreatment of minorities.
One more thought, Rev. Dozier. Mormons are on good, friendly terms with Jews
and likewise have done more for the native Americans than any other religious
group in America. Likewise, every Mormon that I know have no racist feelings
and are friendly towards blacks. Be careful, because your own religious bigotry
is showing, and people eventually fall into the same pit they dig for their
RE: Jim ,During the primaries, everyone wants there 15 minutes of fame. This guy
just had his.Florida pastor calls for Romney. Misleading headline,
Actually he was not alone.Rev. OÂNeal Dozier and a group of
concerned Clergy and other Christians will hold a News/Press Conference to
publicly ask Republican Presidential candidate, Mitt Romney to openly renounce
his racist Mormon Religion.Google JS on national equalization..
HofC, V,5, pp. 218-219
P.S. ...To say that the Mormon church is prejudice against Jews is funny since
the Book of Mormon is a tribute to a segment of the Jewish people.
In early history of the LDS (Mormon) church, the church was anti-slavery and
living in Missouri, a slave state. This was a big political issue. Today the
church has 3 temples in Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, and South Africa and just
announced construction plans for several more. The church growth rate in Africa
is 40% IN ONE YEAR. Both black and white missionaries are present.The church sends missionaries, including black missionaries, into
predominately black communities. A city in Virginia I visited rescently has a
black bishop (minister). The fastest growing membership of the church is South
America's Latino people. That may need to be updated due to the growth in
AFRICA. The Florida Pastor needs to get a life. He is also an
embarassment to Santorum and his primary campaign.
Isn't it nice to see someone get it right for a change.
I currently have a sister and a brother in law on a mormon mission in the
outback of Australia. They are helping the aboriginies not only learn the
Gospel but to read and have sanitary living conditions. My sister is a retired
school teacher who is giving of her time and talent for a people in a way that
is a reflection of the perfect love that Heavenly Father has for all of his
children. She is suffering from pain of health issues that have plagued her for
years, yet she has not complained of them since being engaged in this service.
She has not seemed happier even though the last picture I saw of her, she was
sitting on the ground in the dirt with a young black girl on her lap while she
was playing a lap piano and singing with the children.From the Book
of Mormon 2 Nephi 26:33 'he (the Lord) inviteth all to come unto him and partake
of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond
and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike
unto God, both Jew and Gentile.'
I was smiling the entire time I read this. Few giggles too.
People who make such statements as the good pastor's are usually talking to the
I cannot let the Pastor's in-eloquent and poorly informed statements go
unchallenged. By now everyone is familiar with the ban on ordaining African
American men to the priesthood in the LDS Church which was reversed in 1978.
Other than this historically correct point, nothing else the Reverend says is
correct. The Pastor says the LDS Church is currently racist yet
misquotes the Book of Mormon and misrepresents it's basic teachings to make his
point. 1) Regarding Native Americans, Mormons were sending
missionaries to Native American's while the rest of the nations was sending
troops. 2) The claim of prejudice against Jews is pure ignorance.
Should we compare Mormon views to say, Luther's or those of Catholics for two
thousand years?3) Black African's simply are not a part of the Book
of Mormon narrative in any way other than being part of the larger human family.
4) During WWII, Mormon Senators tried to save Jews while
"Christian" politicians fought against relevant legislation. 5) The first food aid to reach Katrina victims came from Mormons. No Christian religion has a history that is free of the stain of racism. How
do we build bridges to the future by dwelling in the past?
How I wish that people who attempt to talk about the Church would first; A) Read
the Book of Mormon cover to cover, and B) Attend LDS services and honestly get
to know the people and their doctrine. Speaking ignorantly only makes you look
like a fool.
It would be so much better if people would stop spouting rhetoric and stick with
the facts. How does the pastor explain the many members of the LDS Church
throughout the world? There are congregations in Africa, South America, Central
America, Asia, Europe, and all over North America. There are temples built
everywhere in the world, as well as chapels. There is no policy of
discrimination against any who wish to join. Missionaries do not go to Isreal
because they don't allow proselyting there. Perhaps we should compare current
behavior of the LDS people to the current behavior of the pastor. Somehow I
haven't heard of any Mormons calling for anyone of any religion or race to step
aside from politics. Where is Mitt Romney's religious leader that is denouncing
everyone else? Maybe you don't hear that because it doesn't exist.
@Alt134 Re "The church has not said the ban was wrong so it believes that it
was correct for the time period..."I don't think your conclusion
necessary follows the premise. We can't conclude that St. Paul thought slavery
was okay simply because he didn't write against it. I think we can only conclude
that he was born into an era when slavery existed, and that he grappled with it.
Same with the Church. The Restoration occurred in an era when racism was
rampant. Humans don't do an overnight 180 in affairs of the heart. The debate on
abortion is at least 40 years old, for example. Ideas take time, years, to
germinate and take root. Change is slow because that's the nature of change. The past is a different culture.
HotGlobe,I do not think your analysis is supported by the facts.Thirty years ago I was in South America watching the church spend money
hand over fist to build chapels and support schools. One of the Seventy came to
speak at a conference. He said (in effect) "the Lord doesn't need your
tithing, you need the blessing of paying tithing".I knew the
economic circumstances of many of those members. He was right. The Lord really
did not need their tithing. It just didn't amount to much. Now that country is
doing a bit better. So you might say it was a good investment. But given the
time value of money and the return on and of investment necessary to bring the
country into "profitability" after decades of losses, the tithes now
would have to be nothing short of astronomical.In the eastern part
of the US, I have watched the church's investments in missionary work, temple
work, etc. Again, if profitable return was the goal the church has been doing a
very poor job of picking its investments. I know many good business folks in
the church. There is no way they would make such rookie mistakes.
Bozier should go visit the church in Africa. See if he sticks to his ranting
Loved the earlier comment about this minister renouncing his own Baptist
denomination for their past racism (which is also ancient history.) I guess
this pastor's okay with the actions of the Catholic Church in WWII not helping
the Jews against the Nazis enough (since Santorum is Catholic, I just throw that
in - I am not a fan of any candidate.)This guy is merely a shill
since they can't dig up any dirt on Romney personally. Instead of taking him on
with the issues, they are shadow boxing with his religion to cast doubt on him.
I wish they would debate socialized medicine instead!Seriously,
although it is good to stand up for family values, we need to let God handle the
churches and get the politicians focused back on the country's real business.
We need to work on employment, gas prices, and foreign policy so that we can
stay a free country with freedom of religion and speech so dummies can talk as
crazy as they want and to help people earn the means they need to build up their
families, communities and faith groups.
I will go out on a limb and guess the Pastor's own faith lacked diversity 50
years ago; as did his college and country and golf country club. Why did the
Gentiles have to wait until the 10th chapter of Acts to have the Gospel offered
to them?? The 10th chapter of Matthew certainly lacks diversity.
When I read the title of this news article, I actually laughed out loud and
considered that this Florida pastor is likely trying to draw media attention to
himself as did Pastor Jeffress of Dallas, Texas, several months ago when he
declared that Mormons and therefore Mitt Romney are not Christians. As I read
through the article, I laughed even louder at the conclusions this misinformed
and misguided Florida pastor has made concerning the teachings and doctrines of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The motivations for this
statement by this man then became crystal clear when I read of his political
connection to candidate Santorum. What a joke! Most people will see through
this man's big fuss as being nothing but self-serving.
@raybies" The official stance is that we don't know the reason for the
ban. Any details about the revelation given to lift the ban specifically forego
explaining why it was necessary--only that it was no longer in effect."I said nothing that contradicts with that. The church has not said the
ban was wrong so it believes that it was correct for the time period (I think
you missed that part in reading my post) in which it was in place. I also noted
that the official stance is that they don't know the reason why it was
institued."Further the LDS church has succinctly (and
repeatedly) apologized for any past racism that the members of the church held
towards any people, condemning any and all that might attempt to encourage
racism, and has clarified that all people are free to become a part of the
church based upon the conditions of faith and repentance."Right,
I'm saying that many people believe that the LDS position that the ban was
correct for the time period it was in place is an endorsement of a racist
arcle---"The Mormon Church looks like a white man's country club with a few
black people running around doing work around the club," Dozier said"Sounds like what Florida is too: a white man's country club with a few
black people running around doing work around the club.
atl134: No it doesn't. The official stance is that we don't know the reason for
the ban. Any details about the revelation given to lift the ban specifically
forego explaining why it was necessary--only that it was no longer in effect.
The membership of the church is entirely free to believe whatever reason suits
them as to why the ban existed, but teaching that opinion as the official reason
why the ban existed has been forbidden. Further the LDS church has
succinctly (and repeatedly) apologized for any past racism that the members of
the church held towards any people, condemning any and all that might attempt to
encourage racism, and has clarified that all people are free to become a part of
the church based upon the conditions of faith and repentance.
During the primaries, everyone wants there 15 minutes of fame. This guy just
I have been a member of the LDS church since I was 8. When I floated around
other churches after turning 18, I was turned away due to having a mixed child.
Dominate black churches turned me away as well. When I returned to the LDS
church, my children and I were accepted with open arms-all four are half black
and half white. In my current ward, We have 20 to 30 Mong members. We have about
10 blacks. In another ward of our stake, they are all hispanic. Every ward and
stake members are determinate upon the demographics. There are wards who have
dominate Indians because the Indians are dominate within the racial population.
Get a grip. Research your material before you speak. Romney will have to fight
his way through this because of our strict beliefs and morals.
A few years ago at Fort Rucker, AL. I was told that I was a racist because I am
a Mormon from Utah. I still get upset when I thing of the ignorance and racism
in that one statement. It doesn't matter that my words and deeds were
completely without guile an favoritism, my religion makes me a RACIST. That is
the most racist and prejudice thing a person can say or do. I implore Al
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to denounce this RACIST Pastor!!!
I do have to say I think people scratch their heads when all they see is white
general authorities. Blacks have held the priesthood since 1978 and the Church
is big in the south and is growing fast in Africa. There should be more black
I have to think that Santorum has his hand in this nonsense. Santorum is getting
desperate and like Ron Paul says - Santorum is fake. Also Dozier can just vote
for Barack Hussin Obama - it's his choice. See how he likes Marxism .
This is just silly. THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS TEST for political office! Or at
least there SHOULDN'T be a religious test for office.His religion is
not "racist". Mormons are not any more racist than the general
population of the United States. Nobody's perfect. Not Mormons. Not the
NAACP. Not any group of Americans. We ALL have our flaws, individually and
collectively.You don't have to pass a religion test to hold office
in the United States... lets stop trying to make it that way!
@Mc"The LDS Church never condoned racism"Even today
the LDS church believes that the priesthood ban on blacks (a racist policy) was
correct for the period it was in placce and instituted by God (for reasons they
aren't sure of).
Re: Red Corvette 9:20 a.m. March 13, 2012"I proudly denounced it years
ago and urge others to do so as well."The LDS Church continues
to grow with new temples being built all over the world. Many of those who have
left the LDS Church have failed to find the true happiness they seek. I have a
neighbor who has owned several corvettes and he has failed to find the happiness
he thought they would bring him.
I call upon Rev. O'Neal Dozier to renounce his ordination as a Baptist minister
due to the racist history of the Baptist Church in America. Just google baptist
church history/racism for an eye opening read.In June 1995 at the
150th Anniversary of the Southern Baptist Convention, the SBC adopted a
resolution officially denouncing racism and expressing remorse over the role
that Southern Baptists have played in the acceptance of racism in the past. This
resolution clearly calls racism a "deplorable sin" and apologizes to
African Americans for "condoning and/or perpetuating individual and
systematic racism."The LDS Church never condoned racism, never
forced blacks to have their own congregations because whites wouldn't worship
with them, never promoted slavery and always spoke out against racism. Yes,
blacks were allowed to be Baptist ministers, but not over white
congregations.Rev. Dozier is a hypocrit.
All churches have previously practiced racist policies toward other races;
singling out any one church for criticism, is as bigoted as racism, itself. Mormons were one of the first groups in America, to suffer persecution
because of favoritism toward black people.In 1844, Joseph Smith
published the following: ÂPetition, also, ye goodly inhabitants
of the slave states, your legislators to abolish slavery by the year
1850Â¦Pray Congress to pay every man a reasonable price for his
slavesÂ¦Break off the shackles from the poor black man, and hire him
to labor like other human beings; for an hour of virtuous liberty is worth a
whole eternity of bondage.Â (Church History Vol.III, p. XXVI) Believing slaves should be freed was one of the reasons Mormons were killed
and driven from their homes (ironically, in a nation established by those
seeking freedom of religion and escape from tyranny). Another Civil Rights
movement, with a less happy ending.Saying Mormons look down on
blacks is no more the truth than stating Jesus looked down on Canaanites by
refusing to help the Canaanite woman, because He was sent only to the House of
Israel. (Matthew 15: 22-28).
Skeptic:If you really knew about what the Mormons believe you could never
accurately state that they are prejudiced against the Native American or the
Jews. Their religion above others know the eventual destiny on this earth of
both groups of people. They hold both groups of people with the highest of
respect and love. As for the African Americans lets call it a draw as far as
past treatment of them goes, altho as has been stated, the church may have
denied the black males of the Priesthood but I don't recall any of them killing
any blacks. So if it is a draw... then lets look at the last 100 years. How
has the LDS church treated the blacks in that time? If I were a black I would
find it offensive to be told that if I am a member of the LDS church I just run
around doing their odd jobs. I feel that is a racist comment.
When one make a statement about something that one is totally ignorant about, it
make One look and sound, really Stupid. IÂm surprised that Mr. Florida
Pastor didnÂt say anything about Âmultiple wivesÂ.Get a
clue, first, then, spout off.
To an outsider, Mormonism looks like a very profitable enterprise that makes
business decisions for pragmatic reasons. Joseph Smith was not a "lynch them
if they so much as look at a white woman" style racist, and even advocated
the abolitionist cause, but that principle was thrown under the bus when it
became impractical for LDS in the context of the times. Eventually, LDS found
their market niche as a promoter of "slavery light" with slave owners
welcome in Utah, but Mormons positioned as the good guys saying "Let's have
a few rules for humane treatment of the slaves." That transitioned into a
pro-segregation stance that worked in the social context of America at least
through the sixties. Eventually it became clear that accepting tithes from
non-white people made good business sense and policies were changed without
apologies. A recent statement from the church condemned "any racism from the
past," but didn't specifically admit to any, and racist statements from
Brigham Young and others are still defended. Thus, history and present policy in
LDS all appear racist to the average American voter. Whatever the pastor's
motivations, he is correct that Romney's faith is a big political liability.
RE: JM, As a Christian I try not to judge others. John 7:24 Judge not
according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Mt 7:16 Ye shall know
them by their fruits. Fruit can be doctrine or scripture.Moses 7:22...the
seed of Cain were black and had no place among them. Abraham 1-21-27
V.21,..partakers of the blood of CanaanitesÂ¦.Verse 27,Now Pharaoh
being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood.
Why would anyone want to vote for a man who would compromise his convictions to
have a chance to be President? Regardless of religion, race, gender, etc. this
country needs a President who is dedicated to fixing what is broken. We need a
President who can unite the country, can negotiate and compromise, is open to
good ideas outside of the party line. A good leader will listen to what others
have to say and use it to form the best solution possible even if that means
changing their own opinion. It's the uncompromising party politics and finger
pointing that has us where we are today. Romney's religious beliefs or any other
candidates religion should not be a factor so why do people insist on making it
one? As for the LDS church being racist...someone call Gladys Knight, yes THE
Gladys Knight, and see what she thinks.
The Mormons did rob the American Indians of their true identity while at the
same time doing genealogy for their own true identity. The Mormons have labeled
the Jews as gentiles. And the Mormons have discriminated against blacks. So why
don't the Mormons just try to make things right for a change instead of trying
to deny everything with silly excuses.
@JMwhy are you trying to make this all about Obama? did you read the
article? The Pastor is a Santorum support and a member of the republican party.
So is your deceitful post a reflection of your "christian" values of
The Pastor is doing nothing different than AM Talk-radio hosts do.ItÂs all about keeping their ratings high with their followers.
I guess this story is a reprint from yesterday. I commented on it yesterday and
invited readers to visit the website of this church, the Worldwide Christian
Center in Pompano Beach. Pastor Dozier ia African-American. He and his wife are
both lawyers and former law school teachers, and her title among the members is
First Lady. The church has about 600 members. Doier has experience
playing the race and religion cards. According to the church's website, one of
its missions is to educate people about "Islamic Fascism." Dozier was a
plaintiff in a lawsuit to stop the building of a mosque in a mainly black area,
saying that its only purpose was "breeding terrorists" and
"recruiting angry black people." Either Santorum is a nitwit
for letting someone like this speak for him, or this pastor is a nitwit who
doesn't know or care how the fallout from his so-called research will impact his
candidate.As I said, this whole presidential campaign has become a
freak show, and we will end up in November with the same worn-out "lesser of
two evils" situation.
The Book of Mormon in 2 Nephi 26: 33: "(The Lord) inviteth them all to come
unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him,
black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen;
and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."Ask Alex Boye,
Gladys Knight, or any black latter-day Saint anywhere if the church is racist or
part 2.I think we have to consider the source of this Dozier, if a person
is asking another person to denounce their religion, they are the kind of person
who would eventually want a President of our nation to denounce their country,
or apologize to the world for every thing we do. We don't need another
president that doesn't have the strength to be different and not always liked.
Romney would show a strong backbone, he can prove his value and worth to many
who have been wary of his being a Mormon and that would carry on to being
President. Got to give him credit.
Things happen in all religions and by no means do they represent the whole
group. I find it unfair to make blanket statements about Mormon's, Muslim's,
Evangelicals and so forth. I believe that in all religions, most are good
people and that there are people in all groups that have some pretty bad people
or ignorant people. Most of the "Christian" religions say that Mormon's
are not Christians, I tell them to go to Deseret Books website and look at their
artwork and see all the different and beautiful renderings of Christ. When they
state that Mormon's are racist, I would invite them to attend my ward, we have a
wonderful group of black Mormons, our Stake Relief Society president is black,
he son is on the High Council or was.
@ red corvette: I'm sorry to hear that. This pastor is greatly
mistaken. It's a shame if he truly knows better. Oh well, there will always be
opposition to good so what's new?
If churches were only concerned with preaching their message of salvation we
wouldn't have this problem.When churches, including the LDS, get
involved in politics, they have to go to bed with some strange fellows
What would this person say if Mitt were black?
This pastor needs to research the LDS (Mormon) church more thoroughly because if
we were prejudice against these people we wouldn't let them join our church but
we are all sons and daughters of a kind and gracious Heavenly Father that loves
all his sons and daughters. This pastor now needs to repent to the Lord and
appolize to the LDS (Mormon) people in this United States of America for his
remarks that he made.
Sounds like another smear campaign tactic, just to get who he wants as
president. What this pastor says is ridiculous! Don't listen to
"mightymite's" comment! Ugh, it is so not true, and what does anyone's
religion have anything to do with being a great candidate to help turn this
country around?!?! Anyone who is a part of our church, of any race, has a job
to help with to make the church run smoothly- WITHOUT PAY. So what does this
"pastor" say about the lovely Gladys Knight? She is a member of our
church, and is well respected! We have members all over the world in every
culture, who are also in leadership positions! I personally have Native
American ancestors, know thousands of LDS Native Americans, know some Jewish LDS
people AND know some African American's who are LDS too! And was Jesus not a
Jew? Our whole church is CENTERED around him- thus why we are called The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!
Dozier has gone over the top. His claims that the Book of Mormon contains
anti-African American language are false. His claims that the LDS Church is
anti-Native American is the opposite of historical reality, and his claim that
the Church is opposed to Jews ends up being more disturbing. I will
admit there are members of the Church who are racist against all three of the
named groups. However Heber J. Grant in the early 1930s denounced
anti-semitism, when it was especially bold considering how many Church members
lived in Germany at the time.
IF this pastor really understood the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
then he would NOT be making these comments about 'racist mormon religon'. IF
those who make claims that our religion is biased, racist, unfair really knew
then they would NOT be saying what they say and write.Go Romney !!
It's kinda hard to spread the Hate when the facts keep getting in the way.
What a shame that witth all that the LDS Church has in common with Mr Dozier's
Church that he feels the need to highlight what he sees as being out of step.
Even more sad is the fact that he is not accurate when pointing out what he sees
as being out of line. I have been a "Mormon" for some
forty-four years, and have never seen or heard a racist remark from the pulpit
or in mingling with fellow-members. I do not like racism, condone racism or
anything like unto it. I either like a man because of how he is with me, or
don't feel comfortable with him because of how he treats me. I don't care about
his colour, I don't care where he comes from or what his religion is. If he is
a nice person, that is how I see him. What a shame that at the
pivotal point of the Christian year when we should join together and proclaim
the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus that he would choose to show evidence to
people who do not believe in Jesus that His message divides His followers rather
than brings them together.
Isn't it amazing that there is still this kind of bigotry and lack of accurate
information in America? I am astounded. Had he made these comments about the
Jewish, Catholic, or any Protestant religion, the national reaction would have
been quite different. Again, anti-Mormon bigotry gets a pass.
Looks like the good pastor is a shill for Santorum or else completely ignorant
or both. He needs to talk to the thousands of African American Mormons before
he spouts his bigotry.
This minister is fueled by high emotions based on inaccurate and contrived
information. This ranting is a pro-Santorum, anti-Romney soliloquy and nothing
else. He wants to sway the populous, especially the ignorant, toward his
candidate and away from Romney. There are those who believe everything which
comes forth from the mouths of their lying ministers without ever questioning or
doing research on anything they say. Conversely, if Romney were
to denounce his religion as this ÂpastorÂ requires, he would
inadvertently be renouncing his bid for the presidency. I believe many are
looking past RomneyÂs Mormonism, seeing instead how very capable he would
be as president of these United States.
I think that Santorum and Doziar are just trying to do President Obama's job
for him. Are they secretly really Democrats. Their ridiculously stupid
comments which they know are not true just serve the weaken the Republican Cause
It's all a matter of market share for these mega-churches. You won't find any of
these so-called Christian preachers having anything good to say about the
Mormons because of LDS proselytizing efforts. Mormons take members from the
churches and dollars from the collection plates.
It is absolutely amazing what some people will do and say to get their names in
print. This Pastor evidently did not to his homework before opening his mouth OR
does he have an ulterior Samtorum agenda. As a famous jury once said, "trash
in, trash out".
Maybe he's partially operating off the fact that the entire black race was
discriminated against within the church for a good hundred years. The LDS church
claims to have the mouthpiece of god working for them yet the originator Joe
Smith, gave blacks the preisthood. It was only after him that blacks were denied
the preisthood (principally by Brigham Young, followed by all prophets until
1978) having not recieved revelation from god that it was necessary. Seems that
many mouthpeices of god were quite content to discriminate and follow in the
tradition of discrimination without cause. Maybe before so many here in Utah
claim that others are being bigots towards them they should pause and think of
the bigotry that their church participated in that some of them may have even
upheld. Glass house indeed... No pulling the victim card here for the Mormons
the victims are speaking out against them. Tell me how I'm wrong.
Many religious people hate other religions and since theirs is the only true
religion they go to war.
Just because the church now calls the doctrinal racism, "folk tale"
doesn't take away from the fact pattern.
BO has Jeremiah Wright, Santorum has Dozier.is this not the same
story in yesterday's DN?? Why duplicate stories? if not a duplicate, why
another version of the same story?
I think that we only need to look at racism among Southern evangelicals in our
history to see how disingenuous these remarks really are. Perhaps the good
pastor should look at his own church before he spouts these over-the-top
epithets toward the Mormon Church. We certainly did not participate in the gross
injustices during the Jim Crow era nor did we don white robes and burn crosses.
How conveniently he forgets that those good ole southern Christians used to
enslave blacks and even murder them. That sounds far more racist to me than
anything the LDS have done. This guy is about as uninformed as they come and is
an embarrassment to the Santorum campaign. I would think that Santorum would
back away from him immediately.
There are always outliers.But Dozier is too late. Alabama and
Mississippi are more wise today than their historical reputation of ignorance.
So this guy's not only a pastor of a church that clearly would benefit by giving
Mormons a smack-down, he's also a republican leader representing Santorum... Can't imagine why he'd want to make ridiculous inflammatory remarks
about Mormons and Mitt.
The irony is that Mormons have gotten into bed with the religious right, and
these are the people who keep bringing religion up as a wedge issue, whether
relating to Romney or Obama. The issue of religion was not a factor really in
the second half of the 20th Century. It has become a controversy the Republican
Party has become more conservative. The continuing affiliation of Mormons with
conservative politics is not in their interest and Mormons will never convince
these people. Moderation in all things, not conservative in all things.
I think the Pastor is right.
I wonder if this might encourage someone at the church to put together and
circulate more stories of the Saints in Harlem and other predominantly black
congregations around the world. I saw a piece on the "world report"
awhile back that was very eye opening.
This guy works for Santorum? I guess Santorum just lost my vote. Until now
that's who I thought was the better choice, but not if he has folks like this
working for him. Glad I read this before the caucus.
I truly get embarrassed for people who pontificate on subjects about which they
know nothing. If one absolutely must criticize the Church, one should at least
come up with something new. With allegations of racism, they are not only
kicking a dead horse, but they're spreading the ashes of its decayed bones. Read
Church material or visit a ward meeting; that should dispel any myth about
racism. The pastor says we discriminate against black people, Jews
and native Americans. He forgot to mention women and, probably, left-handed
people like me. Any self-respecting critic would have included those.
As a Christian I try not to judge others. I love all people, and know there are
good Christians everywhere, especially among Catholics. I know Dozier is a
Santorum supporter. And, if Obama does play race cards, he would have a better
hand against Santorum. The Catholic Church has called upon Santorum
ÂÂ¦to stop perpetuating ugly racial stereotypes on the campaign
trail.Â And, a simple internet search shows that SantorumÂs
Church does struggle with racial issues today, MittÂs Church has few
issues. And, if Obama were to look at the past, the Mormons have a mere
mote, compared to a giant beam in SantorumÂs eye. The United Nations has
determined that the racism of mainstream Christianity led to the enslavement and
genocide of maybe a hundred million people. And, anti-Semitism was much more a
mainstream Christian and Muslim thing, than LDS. Even ObamaÂs
mostly white Congregationalist/UCC Church had some more serious racial issues
than Mitt's. And, if heÂs Muslim... welll... Dozier has
grossly misrepresented LDS teachings. My racially mixed family (Black,
Native American, etc) feels more at home in the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS
than anywhere else.
Oh my word. Get a clue. Sounds like some congregations need to denounce their
pastors. Why can't thesemen do a little research before they make such remarks.
Thumbs up on this. If Romney dropped his mormonism he might be a viable
candidate. He has flipped-and-flopped so many times in the past-- so it is a
possibility. What the pastor speaks is true and all should take a good hard