Florida pastor calls for Romney to 'renounce his racist Mormon religion'

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    March 16, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    I think this pastor has his wires crossed. Mormonism has never been racist. Why can't we all get along?

    March 16, 2012 1:30 a.m.

    Um, Anon 808, Romney already announced that he has found his former pro-abortion view to be wrong. You've never had a stupid view you later realized was wrong in your life? Oh, and he was a uh, Stake President, yeah.

  • bellsandbells FULTON, MO
    March 15, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    One more point.... Native Americans are offerd a FREE education at BYU and offer foster homes to Native American children so they can get a good education and return to help their people. What does this the church of this misguided minister's church do for Native Americans?

  • Anon 808 Waianae, HI
    March 15, 2012 2:50 a.m.

    Romney who I did not Vote for in the Hawaii republican caucus last night. As it is appears to be he is "not Mormon enough" do to what appears to be his his stand on Abortion. He appears by his History and Actions to be Pro Choice.

    That would end his relationship with me except as a least of all evil. The least of all Evil still being Evil.

    The Churches stand on Abortion appears to have changed slightly. No longer is a person taking part in an Abortion subject to Church Punishment. Selective enforcement being the Key there

    So first to renounce being a Mormon you must be a Mormon. Also it is None of the Pastors (who should be about love and gaining knowledge) Business.

    Romney is No Worse A Mormon then Kennedy was a Catholic. America has nothing to worry about. Nor for that matter Nixon a Quaker.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    March 15, 2012 2:23 a.m.

    When I was a Baptist, I was never asked to give a Talk, I was never allowed to give a Name and a Blessing, and I was never asked to say either the opening or closing prayer. I could say for certain that I never Baptized anyone, and never gave Priesthood Blessing.

    I can also say that the above rang true to the other 5 or 6 faith groups that I belonged to from age 12 to age 42. Also include the Army and just going to Chapel Services.

    We do not even want to address or mention any singles programs either youth adult or otherwise. Nor Stake missions, Nor Temple Work, Nor Home Teaching. Nor Institute attendance and graduation.

    Until at age 42 I joined the LDS Church then all of the above happened except singles programs.

    In every Church I have belonged to I have found found some Racist. Racist are not always White by the way. The street runs in several directions.

    What scares me is that I am sure that this Pastor loves Jesus, yet in his unfounded bias and hate purely based on knowledge he does not have. He speaks and spreads Hate. Blocking his own progression.

  • BYU Papa Cedar Hills, ut
    March 14, 2012 6:40 p.m.

    Since Santorum cannot win, and joins Doziar in attack on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Maybe they think if Mitt Romney is elected and does a really good job. Their congregations will all join the mormon Church. There is no paid ministry and people are very happy.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    March 14, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    Huntsman, who I believe privately denounced Mormonism years ago, won't have this problem when he runs again. I truly believe he'll publicly denounce his faith to the LDS church someday while running for office. Not to flip-flop ... but to finally come out about it.

    It's hard being born into LDS and to leave ... VERY hard.

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    March 14, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    @AKFan Re... "No Christian religion has a history that is free of the stain of racism. How do we build bridges to the future by dwelling in the past?"

    Well said, sir or ma'am! In a nutshell.

    You done good.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    March 14, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    Who gave this reverend the position or authority to demand that someone else renounce his religious faith? Are right wing Protestants going to renounce their Doctrine of Original Sin (which asks all of us to blindly accept guilt, without proof, for the transgression of Adam)?

  • JM Lehi, UT
    March 14, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    One issue Dozier has (besides misquoting LDS) is that he misunderstands the BofM. Anti-Mormons tend to read LDS scriptures from a 19th Century point of view, then they condemn Brigham Young etc, for doing so, even though LDS lived in the 19th century, and were surrounded by mainstream Christians with truly serious anti-Semitic and racial issues.
    People donÂt know that most Mormons are probably dark skinned and that ancient Book of Mormon people would not have understood our modern racism issues. If there WERE any racism in the Book it would be that white Europeans are called Âgentiles who lack charity and must seek to be adopted by Native Americans.

    Ancient dark skinned writers used symbolic language when describing religiosity (see wiki: white skins) and those who wrote the BofM were probably all dark skinned, and were definitely one race, so they couldnt be racist. They couldn't tell the difference between a Lamanite or Nephite except by language and perhaps dress. If anyone is a chosen people in the BofM it is the dark skinned Native Americans who are descended from Joseph and his Egyptian wife (of Ham, Asia?).

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    March 14, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    When will people learn that we are electing a president not a religion? I'd have more DISRESPECT for someone who immediately denounces his religion in order to get more votes. That certainly says "I'm an honest guy who wants to be elected", doesn't it? Then you'd hear these same fools clamoring that there had been .....wait for it....."flip-flopping". Stop allowing uneducated fools to call the shots and do your own research.

  • JM Lehi, UT
    March 14, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    It's interesting that Dozier is a Baptist (the DN won't let me post what MLK had to say about them,so...or was it the other one rejected?? On symbolic language) but he is a Santorum supporter, and Santorum can get away with this: "Catholic leaders issued a letter Friday to GOP presidential candidates Newt...Santorum...urging them Âto stop perpetuating ugly racial stereotypes on the campaign trail.

    (I hope these same good Catholic leaders will also speak out against the anti-Mormon prejudice of Dozier and everyone else : ))

    And, it's also interesting that Santorum's Church leaders can get away with saying this recently: search whitewash genocide by Thomas Dahlheimer, and that the United Nations conference on racism determined that the racism in non-LDS mainstream Christianity is responsible for the enslavement and genocide of at least 90 million people, and yet, Mormons are still labeled as racists by them.

    True, Brigham and others believed some ideas taught by mainstream Christians (including Dozier and Santorum's Churches (atheists, the gay community, Muslims, etc have serious racial issues also but...) but BYoung also called on Congress to protect Blacks from abuse by Christians, and said whites were cursed, for their mistreatment of minorities.

  • Twin Sister LINDON, UT
    March 14, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    One more thought, Rev. Dozier. Mormons are on good, friendly terms with Jews and likewise have done more for the native Americans than any other religious group in America. Likewise, every Mormon that I know have no racist feelings and are friendly towards blacks. Be careful, because your own religious bigotry is showing, and people eventually fall into the same pit they dig for their neighbor.

  • donn layton, UT
    March 14, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    RE: Jim ,During the primaries, everyone wants there 15 minutes of fame. This guy just had his.

    Florida pastor calls for Romney. Misleading headline, Actually he was not alone.

    Rev. OÂNeal Dozier and a group of concerned Clergy and other Christians will hold a News/Press Conference to publicly ask Republican Presidential candidate, Mitt Romney to openly renounce his racist Mormon Religion.

    Google JS on national equalization.. HofC, V,5, pp. 218-219

  • bellsandbells FULTON, MO
    March 14, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    P.S. ...To say that the Mormon church is prejudice against Jews is funny since the Book of Mormon is a tribute to a segment of the Jewish people.

  • bellsandbells FULTON, MO
    March 14, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    In early history of the LDS (Mormon) church, the church was anti-slavery and living in Missouri, a slave state. This was a big political issue. Today the church has 3 temples in Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, and South Africa and just announced construction plans for several more. The church growth rate in Africa is 40% IN ONE YEAR. Both black and white missionaries are present.

    The church sends missionaries, including black missionaries, into predominately black communities. A city in Virginia I visited rescently has a black bishop (minister). The fastest growing membership of the church is South America's Latino people. That may need to be updated due to the growth in AFRICA.

    The Florida Pastor needs to get a life. He is also an embarassment to Santorum and his primary campaign.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    March 14, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Isn't it nice to see someone get it right for a change.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    March 13, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    I currently have a sister and a brother in law on a mormon mission in the outback of Australia. They are helping the aboriginies not only learn the Gospel but to read and have sanitary living conditions. My sister is a retired school teacher who is giving of her time and talent for a people in a way that is a reflection of the perfect love that Heavenly Father has for all of his children. She is suffering from pain of health issues that have plagued her for years, yet she has not complained of them since being engaged in this service. She has not seemed happier even though the last picture I saw of her, she was sitting on the ground in the dirt with a young black girl on her lap while she was playing a lap piano and singing with the children.

    From the Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 26:33 'he (the Lord) inviteth all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.'

    March 13, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    I was smiling the entire time I read this. Few giggles too.

  • jewel84097 Orem, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    People who make such statements as the good pastor's are usually talking to the mirror....

    March 13, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    I cannot let the Pastor's in-eloquent and poorly informed statements go unchallenged. By now everyone is familiar with the ban on ordaining African American men to the priesthood in the LDS Church which was reversed in 1978. Other than this historically correct point, nothing else the Reverend says is correct.

    The Pastor says the LDS Church is currently racist yet misquotes the Book of Mormon and misrepresents it's basic teachings to make his point.

    1) Regarding Native Americans, Mormons were sending missionaries to Native American's while the rest of the nations was sending troops.

    2) The claim of prejudice against Jews is pure ignorance. Should we compare Mormon views to say, Luther's or those of Catholics for two thousand years?

    3) Black African's simply are not a part of the Book of Mormon narrative in any way other than being part of the larger human family.

    4) During WWII, Mormon Senators tried to save Jews while "Christian" politicians fought against relevant legislation.

    5) The first food aid to reach Katrina victims came from Mormons.

    No Christian religion has a history that is free of the stain of racism. How do we build bridges to the future by dwelling in the past?

  • will7370 LOGAN, UT
    March 13, 2012 6:22 p.m.

    How I wish that people who attempt to talk about the Church would first; A) Read the Book of Mormon cover to cover, and B) Attend LDS services and honestly get to know the people and their doctrine. Speaking ignorantly only makes you look like a fool.

  • SuziQ Springville, UT
    March 13, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    It would be so much better if people would stop spouting rhetoric and stick with the facts. How does the pastor explain the many members of the LDS Church throughout the world? There are congregations in Africa, South America, Central America, Asia, Europe, and all over North America. There are temples built everywhere in the world, as well as chapels. There is no policy of discrimination against any who wish to join. Missionaries do not go to Isreal because they don't allow proselyting there. Perhaps we should compare current behavior of the LDS people to the current behavior of the pastor. Somehow I haven't heard of any Mormons calling for anyone of any religion or race to step aside from politics. Where is Mitt Romney's religious leader that is denouncing everyone else? Maybe you don't hear that because it doesn't exist.

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    March 13, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    @Alt134 Re "The church has not said the ban was wrong so it believes that it was correct for the time period..."

    I don't think your conclusion necessary follows the premise. We can't conclude that St. Paul thought slavery was okay simply because he didn't write against it. I think we can only conclude that he was born into an era when slavery existed, and that he grappled with it. Same with the Church. The Restoration occurred in an era when racism was rampant. Humans don't do an overnight 180 in affairs of the heart. The debate on abortion is at least 40 years old, for example. Ideas take time, years, to germinate and take root. Change is slow because that's the nature of change.

    The past is a different culture.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    March 13, 2012 5:12 p.m.


    I do not think your analysis is supported by the facts.

    Thirty years ago I was in South America watching the church spend money hand over fist to build chapels and support schools. One of the Seventy came to speak at a conference. He said (in effect) "the Lord doesn't need your tithing, you need the blessing of paying tithing".

    I knew the economic circumstances of many of those members. He was right. The Lord really did not need their tithing. It just didn't amount to much. Now that country is doing a bit better. So you might say it was a good investment. But given the time value of money and the return on and of investment necessary to bring the country into "profitability" after decades of losses, the tithes now would have to be nothing short of astronomical.

    In the eastern part of the US, I have watched the church's investments in missionary work, temple work, etc. Again, if profitable return was the goal the church has been doing a very poor job of picking its investments. I know many good business folks in the church. There is no way they would make such rookie mistakes.

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    March 13, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    Bozier should go visit the church in Africa. See if he sticks to his ranting then.

  • Acegrace Lilburn, GA
    March 13, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    Loved the earlier comment about this minister renouncing his own Baptist denomination for their past racism (which is also ancient history.) I guess this pastor's okay with the actions of the Catholic Church in WWII not helping the Jews against the Nazis enough (since Santorum is Catholic, I just throw that in - I am not a fan of any candidate.)

    This guy is merely a shill since they can't dig up any dirt on Romney personally. Instead of taking him on with the issues, they are shadow boxing with his religion to cast doubt on him. I wish they would debate socialized medicine instead!

    Seriously, although it is good to stand up for family values, we need to let God handle the churches and get the politicians focused back on the country's real business. We need to work on employment, gas prices, and foreign policy so that we can stay a free country with freedom of religion and speech so dummies can talk as crazy as they want and to help people earn the means they need to build up their families, communities and faith groups.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    March 13, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    I will go out on a limb and guess the Pastor's own faith lacked diversity 50 years ago; as did his college and country and golf country club. Why did the Gentiles have to wait until the 10th chapter of Acts to have the Gospel offered to them?? The 10th chapter of Matthew certainly lacks diversity.

  • Twin Sister LINDON, UT
    March 13, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    When I read the title of this news article, I actually laughed out loud and considered that this Florida pastor is likely trying to draw media attention to himself as did Pastor Jeffress of Dallas, Texas, several months ago when he declared that Mormons and therefore Mitt Romney are not Christians. As I read through the article, I laughed even louder at the conclusions this misinformed and misguided Florida pastor has made concerning the teachings and doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The motivations for this statement by this man then became crystal clear when I read of his political connection to candidate Santorum. What a joke! Most people will see through this man's big fuss as being nothing but self-serving.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    " The official stance is that we don't know the reason for the ban. Any details about the revelation given to lift the ban specifically forego explaining why it was necessary--only that it was no longer in effect."

    I said nothing that contradicts with that. The church has not said the ban was wrong so it believes that it was correct for the time period (I think you missed that part in reading my post) in which it was in place. I also noted that the official stance is that they don't know the reason why it was institued.

    "Further the LDS church has succinctly (and repeatedly) apologized for any past racism that the members of the church held towards any people, condemning any and all that might attempt to encourage racism, and has clarified that all people are free to become a part of the church based upon the conditions of faith and repentance."

    Right, I'm saying that many people believe that the LDS position that the ban was correct for the time period it was in place is an endorsement of a racist policy.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    March 13, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    arcle---"The Mormon Church looks like a white man's country club with a few black people running around doing work around the club," Dozier said"

    Sounds like what Florida is too: a white man's country club with a few black people running around doing work around the club.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    March 13, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    atl134: No it doesn't. The official stance is that we don't know the reason for the ban. Any details about the revelation given to lift the ban specifically forego explaining why it was necessary--only that it was no longer in effect. The membership of the church is entirely free to believe whatever reason suits them as to why the ban existed, but teaching that opinion as the official reason why the ban existed has been forbidden.

    Further the LDS church has succinctly (and repeatedly) apologized for any past racism that the members of the church held towards any people, condemning any and all that might attempt to encourage racism, and has clarified that all people are free to become a part of the church based upon the conditions of faith and repentance.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    March 13, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    During the primaries, everyone wants there 15 minutes of fame. This guy just had his.

  • augold tulsa, OK
    March 13, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    I have been a member of the LDS church since I was 8. When I floated around other churches after turning 18, I was turned away due to having a mixed child. Dominate black churches turned me away as well. When I returned to the LDS church, my children and I were accepted with open arms-all four are half black and half white. In my current ward, We have 20 to 30 Mong members. We have about 10 blacks. In another ward of our stake, they are all hispanic. Every ward and stake members are determinate upon the demographics. There are wards who have dominate Indians because the Indians are dominate within the racial population. Get a grip. Research your material before you speak. Romney will have to fight his way through this because of our strict beliefs and morals.

  • muncle37 SAINT GEORGE, UT
    March 13, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    A few years ago at Fort Rucker, AL. I was told that I was a racist because I am a Mormon from Utah. I still get upset when I thing of the ignorance and racism in that one statement. It doesn't matter that my words and deeds were completely without guile an favoritism, my religion makes me a RACIST. That is the most racist and prejudice thing a person can say or do. I implore Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to denounce this RACIST Pastor!!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 13, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    I do have to say I think people scratch their heads when all they see is white general authorities. Blacks have held the priesthood since 1978 and the Church is big in the south and is growing fast in Africa. There should be more black general authorities.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 13, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    I have to think that Santorum has his hand in this nonsense. Santorum is getting desperate and like Ron Paul says - Santorum is fake. Also Dozier can just vote for Barack Hussin Obama - it's his choice. See how he likes Marxism .

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 13, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    This is just silly. THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS TEST for political office! Or at least there SHOULDN'T be a religious test for office.

    His religion is not "racist". Mormons are not any more racist than the general population of the United States. Nobody's perfect. Not Mormons. Not the NAACP. Not any group of Americans. We ALL have our flaws, individually and collectively.

    You don't have to pass a religion test to hold office in the United States... lets stop trying to make it that way!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    "The LDS Church never condoned racism"

    Even today the LDS church believes that the priesthood ban on blacks (a racist policy) was correct for the period it was in placce and instituted by God (for reasons they aren't sure of).

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    Re: Red Corvette 9:20 a.m. March 13, 2012
    "I proudly denounced it years ago and urge others to do so as well."

    The LDS Church continues to grow with new temples being built all over the world. Many of those who have left the LDS Church have failed to find the true happiness they seek. I have a neighbor who has owned several corvettes and he has failed to find the happiness he thought they would bring him.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    I call upon Rev. O'Neal Dozier to renounce his ordination as a Baptist minister due to the racist history of the Baptist Church in America. Just google baptist church history/racism for an eye opening read.

    In June 1995 at the 150th Anniversary of the Southern Baptist Convention, the SBC adopted a resolution officially denouncing racism and expressing remorse over the role that Southern Baptists have played in the acceptance of racism in the past. This resolution clearly calls racism a "deplorable sin" and apologizes to African Americans for "condoning and/or perpetuating individual and systematic racism."

    The LDS Church never condoned racism, never forced blacks to have their own congregations because whites wouldn't worship with them, never promoted slavery and always spoke out against racism. Yes, blacks were allowed to be Baptist ministers, but not over white congregations.

    Rev. Dozier is a hypocrit.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    March 13, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    All churches have previously practiced racist policies toward other races; singling out any one church for criticism, is as bigoted as racism, itself.

    Mormons were one of the first groups in America, to suffer persecution because of favoritism toward black people.

    In 1844, Joseph Smith published the following:

    ÂPetition, also, ye goodly inhabitants of the slave states, your legislators to abolish slavery by the year 1850¦Pray Congress to pay every man a reasonable price for his slaves¦Break off the shackles from the poor black man, and hire him to labor like other human beings; for an hour of virtuous liberty is worth a whole eternity of bondage. (Church History Vol.III, p. XXVI)

    Believing slaves should be freed was one of the reasons Mormons were killed and driven from their homes (ironically, in a nation established by those seeking freedom of religion and escape from tyranny). Another Civil Rights movement, with a less happy ending.

    Saying Mormons look down on blacks is no more the truth than stating Jesus looked down on Canaanites by refusing to help the Canaanite woman, because He was sent only to the House of Israel. (Matthew 15: 22-28).

  • TJW cardston, MT
    March 13, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    If you really knew about what the Mormons believe you could never accurately state that they are prejudiced against the Native American or the Jews. Their religion above others know the eventual destiny on this earth of both groups of people. They hold both groups of people with the highest of respect and love. As for the African Americans lets call it a draw as far as past treatment of them goes, altho as has been stated, the church may have denied the black males of the Priesthood but I don't recall any of them killing any blacks. So if it is a draw... then lets look at the last 100 years. How has the LDS church treated the blacks in that time? If I were a black I would find it offensive to be told that if I am a member of the LDS church I just run around doing their odd jobs. I feel that is a racist comment.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    March 13, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    When one make a statement about something that one is totally ignorant about, it make One look and sound, really Stupid. IÂm surprised that Mr. Florida Pastor didnÂt say anything about Âmultiple wivesÂ.
    Get a clue, first, then, spout off.

  • HotGlobe SAN RAFAEL, CA
    March 13, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    To an outsider, Mormonism looks like a very profitable enterprise that makes business decisions for pragmatic reasons. Joseph Smith was not a "lynch them if they so much as look at a white woman" style racist, and even advocated the abolitionist cause, but that principle was thrown under the bus when it became impractical for LDS in the context of the times. Eventually, LDS found their market niche as a promoter of "slavery light" with slave owners welcome in Utah, but Mormons positioned as the good guys saying "Let's have a few rules for humane treatment of the slaves." That transitioned into a pro-segregation stance that worked in the social context of America at least through the sixties. Eventually it became clear that accepting tithes from non-white people made good business sense and policies were changed without apologies. A recent statement from the church condemned "any racism from the past," but didn't specifically admit to any, and racist statements from Brigham Young and others are still defended. Thus, history and present policy in LDS all appear racist to the average American voter. Whatever the pastor's motivations, he is correct that Romney's faith is a big political liability.

  • donn layton, UT
    March 13, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    RE: JM, As a Christian I try not to judge others.
    John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Fruit can be doctrine or scripture.
    Moses 7:22...the seed of Cain were black and had no place among them.
    Abraham 1-21-27 V.21,..partakers of the blood of Canaanites¦.Verse 27,Now Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood.

  • Whatworks Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Why would anyone want to vote for a man who would compromise his convictions to have a chance to be President? Regardless of religion, race, gender, etc. this country needs a President who is dedicated to fixing what is broken. We need a President who can unite the country, can negotiate and compromise, is open to good ideas outside of the party line. A good leader will listen to what others have to say and use it to form the best solution possible even if that means changing their own opinion. It's the uncompromising party politics and finger pointing that has us where we are today. Romney's religious beliefs or any other candidates religion should not be a factor so why do people insist on making it one? As for the LDS church being racist...someone call Gladys Knight, yes THE Gladys Knight, and see what she thinks.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 13, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    The Mormons did rob the American Indians of their true identity while at the same time doing genealogy for their own true identity. The Mormons have labeled the Jews as gentiles. And the Mormons have discriminated against blacks. So why don't the Mormons just try to make things right for a change instead of trying to deny everything with silly excuses.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 13, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    why are you trying to make this all about Obama? did you read the article? The Pastor is a Santorum support and a member of the republican party. So is your deceitful post a reflection of your "christian" values of respecting others?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 13, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    The Pastor is doing nothing different than AM Talk-radio hosts do.
    ItÂs all about keeping their ratings high with their followers.

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    March 13, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    I guess this story is a reprint from yesterday. I commented on it yesterday and invited readers to visit the website of this church, the Worldwide Christian Center in Pompano Beach. Pastor Dozier ia African-American. He and his wife are both lawyers and former law school teachers, and her title among the members is First Lady. The church has about 600 members.

    Doier has experience playing the race and religion cards. According to the church's website, one of its missions is to educate people about "Islamic Fascism." Dozier was a plaintiff in a lawsuit to stop the building of a mosque in a mainly black area, saying that its only purpose was "breeding terrorists" and "recruiting angry black people."

    Either Santorum is a nitwit for letting someone like this speak for him, or this pastor is a nitwit who doesn't know or care how the fallout from his so-called research will impact his candidate.

    As I said, this whole presidential campaign has become a freak show, and we will end up in November with the same worn-out "lesser of two evils" situation.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    March 13, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    The Book of Mormon in 2 Nephi 26: 33: "(The Lord) inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."

    Ask Alex Boye, Gladys Knight, or any black latter-day Saint anywhere if the church is racist or not. Please!

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    March 13, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    part 2.
    I think we have to consider the source of this Dozier, if a person is asking another person to denounce their religion, they are the kind of person who would eventually want a President of our nation to denounce their country, or apologize to the world for every thing we do. We don't need another president that doesn't have the strength to be different and not always liked. Romney would show a strong backbone, he can prove his value and worth to many who have been wary of his being a Mormon and that would carry on to being President. Got to give him credit.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    March 13, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Things happen in all religions and by no means do they represent the whole group. I find it unfair to make blanket statements about Mormon's, Muslim's, Evangelicals and so forth. I believe that in all religions, most are good people and that there are people in all groups that have some pretty bad people or ignorant people. Most of the "Christian" religions say that Mormon's are not Christians, I tell them to go to Deseret Books website and look at their artwork and see all the different and beautiful renderings of Christ. When they state that Mormon's are racist, I would invite them to attend my ward, we have a wonderful group of black Mormons, our Stake Relief Society president is black, he son is on the High Council or was.

  • Dad San Antonio, TX
    March 13, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    @ red corvette: I'm sorry to hear that.

    This pastor is greatly mistaken. It's a shame if he truly knows better. Oh well, there will always be opposition to good so what's new?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 13, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    If churches were only concerned with preaching their message of salvation we wouldn't have this problem.

    When churches, including the LDS, get involved in politics, they have to go to bed with some strange fellows

  • Shuzzie53 HAYWARD, CA
    March 13, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    What would this person say if Mitt were black?

  • Julianne North Salt Lake, UT
    March 13, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    This pastor needs to research the LDS (Mormon) church more thoroughly because if we were prejudice against these people we wouldn't let them join our church but we are all sons and daughters of a kind and gracious Heavenly Father that loves all his sons and daughters. This pastor now needs to repent to the Lord and appolize to the LDS (Mormon) people in this United States of America for his remarks that he made.

  • pilotwife5 ,
    March 13, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    Sounds like another smear campaign tactic, just to get who he wants as president. What this pastor says is ridiculous! Don't listen to "mightymite's" comment! Ugh, it is so not true, and what does anyone's religion have anything to do with being a great candidate to help turn this country around?!?! Anyone who is a part of our church, of any race, has a job to help with to make the church run smoothly- WITHOUT PAY. So what does this "pastor" say about the lovely Gladys Knight? She is a member of our church, and is well respected! We have members all over the world in every culture, who are also in leadership positions! I personally have Native American ancestors, know thousands of LDS Native Americans, know some Jewish LDS people AND know some African American's who are LDS too! And was Jesus not a Jew? Our whole church is CENTERED around him- thus why we are called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    March 13, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Dozier has gone over the top. His claims that the Book of Mormon contains anti-African American language are false. His claims that the LDS Church is anti-Native American is the opposite of historical reality, and his claim that the Church is opposed to Jews ends up being more disturbing.

    I will admit there are members of the Church who are racist against all three of the named groups. However Heber J. Grant in the early 1930s denounced anti-semitism, when it was especially bold considering how many Church members lived in Germany at the time.

  • djk blue springs, MO
    March 13, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    IF this pastor really understood the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints then he would NOT be making these comments about 'racist mormon religon'. IF those who make claims that our religion is biased, racist, unfair really knew then they would NOT be saying what they say and write.

    Go Romney !!

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    It's kinda hard to spread the Hate when the facts keep getting in the way.

  • EnglishAlan Rugeley, Staffs
    March 13, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    What a shame that witth all that the LDS Church has in common with Mr Dozier's Church that he feels the need to highlight what he sees as being out of step. Even more sad is the fact that he is not accurate when pointing out what he sees as being out of line.

    I have been a "Mormon" for some forty-four years, and have never seen or heard a racist remark from the pulpit or in mingling with fellow-members. I do not like racism, condone racism or anything like unto it. I either like a man because of how he is with me, or don't feel comfortable with him because of how he treats me. I don't care about his colour, I don't care where he comes from or what his religion is. If he is a nice person, that is how I see him.

    What a shame that at the pivotal point of the Christian year when we should join together and proclaim the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus that he would choose to show evidence to people who do not believe in Jesus that His message divides His followers rather than brings them together.

  • Locke Rexburg, ID
    March 13, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    Isn't it amazing that there is still this kind of bigotry and lack of accurate information in America? I am astounded. Had he made these comments about the Jewish, Catholic, or any Protestant religion, the national reaction would have been quite different. Again, anti-Mormon bigotry gets a pass.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    March 13, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Looks like the good pastor is a shill for Santorum or else completely ignorant or both. He needs to talk to the thousands of African American Mormons before he spouts his bigotry.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    This minister is fueled by high emotions based on inaccurate and contrived information. This ranting is a pro-Santorum, anti-Romney soliloquy and nothing else. He wants to sway the populous, especially the ignorant, toward his candidate and away from Romney. There are those who believe everything which comes forth from the mouths of their lying ministers without ever questioning or doing research on anything they say.

    Conversely, if Romney were to denounce his religion as this Âpastor requires, he would inadvertently be renouncing his bid for the presidency. I believe many are looking past RomneyÂs Mormonism, seeing instead how very capable he would be as president of these United States.

  • BYU Papa Cedar Hills, ut
    March 13, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    I think that Santorum and Doziar are just trying to do President Obama's job for him. Are they secretly really Democrats. Their ridiculously stupid comments which they know are not true just serve the weaken the Republican Cause a

  • DonO Draper, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    It's all a matter of market share for these mega-churches. You won't find any of these so-called Christian preachers having anything good to say about the Mormons because of LDS proselytizing efforts. Mormons take members from the churches and dollars from the collection plates.

  • dlw7 LOGAN, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    It is absolutely amazing what some people will do and say to get their names in print. This Pastor evidently did not to his homework before opening his mouth OR does he have an ulterior Samtorum agenda. As a famous jury once said, "trash in, trash out".

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Maybe he's partially operating off the fact that the entire black race was discriminated against within the church for a good hundred years. The LDS church claims to have the mouthpiece of god working for them yet the originator Joe Smith, gave blacks the preisthood. It was only after him that blacks were denied the preisthood (principally by Brigham Young, followed by all prophets until 1978) having not recieved revelation from god that it was necessary. Seems that many mouthpeices of god were quite content to discriminate and follow in the tradition of discrimination without cause. Maybe before so many here in Utah claim that others are being bigots towards them they should pause and think of the bigotry that their church participated in that some of them may have even upheld. Glass house indeed... No pulling the victim card here for the Mormons the victims are speaking out against them. Tell me how I'm wrong.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Many religious people hate other religions and since theirs is the only true religion they go to war.

  • Reality Chequers Kennesaw, GA
    March 13, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    Just because the church now calls the doctrinal racism, "folk tale" doesn't take away from the fact pattern.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    BO has Jeremiah Wright, Santorum has Dozier.

    is this not the same story in yesterday's DN?? Why duplicate stories? if not a duplicate, why another version of the same story?

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    March 13, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    I think that we only need to look at racism among Southern evangelicals in our history to see how disingenuous these remarks really are. Perhaps the good pastor should look at his own church before he spouts these over-the-top epithets toward the Mormon Church. We certainly did not participate in the gross injustices during the Jim Crow era nor did we don white robes and burn crosses.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 13, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    How conveniently he forgets that those good ole southern Christians used to enslave blacks and even murder them. That sounds far more racist to me than anything the LDS have done. This guy is about as uninformed as they come and is an embarrassment to the Santorum campaign. I would think that Santorum would back away from him immediately.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    March 13, 2012 7:20 a.m.

    There are always outliers.

    But Dozier is too late. Alabama and Mississippi are more wise today than their historical reputation of ignorance.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    March 13, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    So this guy's not only a pastor of a church that clearly would benefit by giving Mormons a smack-down, he's also a republican leader representing Santorum...

    Can't imagine why he'd want to make ridiculous inflammatory remarks about Mormons and Mitt.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 13, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    The irony is that Mormons have gotten into bed with the religious right, and these are the people who keep bringing religion up as a wedge issue, whether relating to Romney or Obama. The issue of religion was not a factor really in the second half of the 20th Century. It has become a controversy the Republican Party has become more conservative. The continuing affiliation of Mormons with conservative politics is not in their interest and Mormons will never convince these people. Moderation in all things, not conservative in all things.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    March 13, 2012 6:39 a.m.

    I think the Pastor is right.

  • wrigjef CENTREVILLE, VA
    March 13, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    I wonder if this might encourage someone at the church to put together and circulate more stories of the Saints in Harlem and other predominantly black congregations around the world. I saw a piece on the "world report" awhile back that was very eye opening.

  • Bruce T. Forbes Kearns, UT
    March 13, 2012 5:06 a.m.

    This guy works for Santorum? I guess Santorum just lost my vote. Until now that's who I thought was the better choice, but not if he has folks like this working for him. Glad I read this before the caucus.

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    March 13, 2012 4:49 a.m.

    I truly get embarrassed for people who pontificate on subjects about which they know nothing. If one absolutely must criticize the Church, one should at least come up with something new. With allegations of racism, they are not only kicking a dead horse, but they're spreading the ashes of its decayed bones. Read Church material or visit a ward meeting; that should dispel any myth about racism.

    The pastor says we discriminate against black people, Jews and native Americans. He forgot to mention women and, probably, left-handed people like me. Any self-respecting critic would have included those.

  • JM Lehi, UT
    March 13, 2012 1:58 a.m.

    As a Christian I try not to judge others. I love all people, and know there are good Christians everywhere, especially among Catholics. I know Dozier is a Santorum supporter. And, if Obama does play race cards, he would have a better hand against Santorum. The Catholic Church has called upon Santorum ¦to stop perpetuating ugly racial stereotypes on the campaign trail.Â
    And, a simple internet search shows that SantorumÂs Church does struggle with racial issues today, MittÂs Church has few issues.
    And, if Obama were to look at the past, the Mormons have a mere mote, compared to a giant beam in SantorumÂs eye. The United Nations has determined that the racism of mainstream Christianity led to the enslavement and genocide of maybe a hundred million people. And, anti-Semitism was much more a mainstream Christian and Muslim thing, than LDS.

    Even ObamaÂs mostly white Congregationalist/UCC Church had some more serious racial issues than Mitt's. And, if heÂs Muslim... welll...

    Dozier has grossly misrepresented LDS teachings.
    My racially mixed family (Black, Native American, etc) feels more at home in the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS than anywhere else.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    March 13, 2012 12:31 a.m.

    Oh my word. Get a clue. Sounds like some congregations need to denounce their pastors. Why can't thesemen do a little research before they make such remarks. Please.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    March 12, 2012 11:18 p.m.

    Thumbs up on this. If Romney dropped his mormonism he might be a viable candidate. He has flipped-and-flopped so many times in the past-- so it is a possibility. What the pastor speaks is true and all should take a good hard look.