If one was to study The Mormon Prophets and their stand on foreign policy, they
would see that Ron Paul is spot on. visit the Church website and read the
conference talks dealing with foreign intervention of other sovereign
nations.What is it about the "constitution hanging by a
thread" that LDS members don't get? Romney has a record of big government
and big spending. He grabbed millions of dollars in federal money to pull off
the 2002 Olympics. Yes he will continue to spend this country into oblivion. I
wish people in Utah would wake up and stop being blinded by rainbows. Romney is
not a conservative.
I would expect that to be true in Utah. I do not believe it will be true in the
nation. Romney has been hurt bad by the primary season. His opponents have
exposed many weaknesses which would not have been ex[posed if the election
process had been more gentlemanly instead of being vicious as it has been.
Also Romney has exposed a viciousness that is unbecoming a member of the LDS
Church. That will also hurt him in the general election. It is and has been my
opinion all season long that the Republican party because of their wide swing to
the right has and will continue to turn off the mainstream moderate voter.
Romney will lose big in November. As I have said before - I liked Romney when
he rescued the Olympics. I do not like the viciousness I have witnessed in the
Stop bashing Romney for healthcare in MA. His healthcare plan has been
successful, two thirds in M.A. have a favorable opinion of it. I would prefer a
candidate who is willing to change his mind as opposed to a rigid ideologue who
won't budge an inch. That is the problem with the far right. Political
ideology trumps all. When someone is willing to reconsider their position it
tells me they can think for themselves. America has become way to partisan and
polarized. Right now we have nothing but partisan gridlock in D.C. Our
political dialogue has become toxic.
"...Anyone considering voting for Romney needs to google MittVsMitt and see
how many, many times this guy has flip flopped on issues...".He
just didn't understand the question, each and every time he flip flopped.
Anyone considering voting for Romney needs to google MittVsMitt and see how
many, many times this guy has flip flopped on issues.If Republicans
nominate Romney, Obama is going to eviscerate him with his "own words"
during the Presidential campaign.We need real change in Washington
and that sure isn't Romney.
re:RivertonCougarCBO Doug Elmendorf, 2009 stated:"CBO
estimates that this Senate legislation would RAISE output and LOWER unemployment
for several years, with effects broadly similar to those of H.R. 1 as
introduced. In the longer run, the legislation would result in a slight decrease
in gross domestic product (GDP) compared with CBO's baseline economic forecast.
[CBO, 2/4/09]CBO: Economic Stimulus Raised GDP. The CBO report
(2011) estimated that the recovery act "raised real (inflation-adjusted)
gross domestic product (GDP) by between 0.8 percent and 2.5 percent." A poll of economists from the leading universities, MIT, Princeton,
Stanford, Yale, Harvard, Chicago, Berkeley found 4 out of 5 agreed that the
unemployment rate was lower with the stimulus than without and that the benefits
of the stimulus outweighed the costs. The end of the Iraq War was
negotiated by the Bush, called the "status of forces" agreement. In the
fall of 2007 Military experts and others were calling for commencing troop
withdrawals as was Obama. Tax cuts aren't as stimulative as other
measures. But Obama had few other options due to Republican opposition. The
Stimulus consisted of 1/3 tax cuts to attract Republican support. Nearly all economists agree, tax cuts do not "pay for themselves" ie
do not stimulate growth enough to offset the decrease in longterm revenue caused
by the tax cuts.
This is one of the funniest articles I've ever read. So it's a huge surprise in
Utah, where anytime Romney wants more money he comes to Utah and collects.This is a state where lies and rumors about Obama are automatically accepted
as absolute truths.I don't need a poll of any sort concerning who will win
Utah in November and I'm not even a genius. I can tell you what party will have
the majority in the State Legislature and Senate. I can tell you what party the
Governor will be from.In Utah it doesn't matter who you are or what you
have been if you have an R behind your name you more than likely will win. If
you are a Democrat and run as a Republican you stand a much better chance of
winning.I predict a landslide for Romney in Utah, however Obama will be
elected for another 4 years.Orrin Hatch will be defeated in convention but
the Republican nominee to replace him will be elected no matter who it is.We don't care about political facts, we care about the R. Nothing else. Just
As it now stands in Congress and elsewhere, ANY Republican winning the White
House will be a total disaster.Obama again in 2012!
The problem with today's GOP is that you have to go ultra-conservative to get
the nomination and then try to go back to the middle in the general. A good
example is that Romney said he wasn't for the Blunt amendment, and then had to
claim he didn't understand it after. Moral exception? I guess an employer
could say they have moral exceptions for MRI's because demons can enter the soul
during the process--lol. Romney was right to say what he did, but for fear of
losing the nomination had to flop again. He will weaken himself severely for
the general election.As for those saying Obama has added debt. It's
true he's added debt, but at least he is honest and put the wars on budget
unlike the Bushee. For the recession he's inherited, he's actually done pretty
good. Most economists will tell you to not cut government spending in times of
recession. The GOP would rather lay off teachers, firefighters, cops, Federal
workers, than let the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to the normal
rates--shows where their interest lies--with the fat cats and their pocket
no fit in SGSt.George, Utah:"As we watch Romney make gaff
after gaff, ...... The pathetic misspeaking and confusion Mitt is so famous for,
will be multiplied, replayed over and over, and brightly displayed for all the
world to giggle at."Hey dude, I'm reasonably sure Romney knows
there aren't 57 States. giggle, giggle.
"The Stimulus was enacted to slow the rate of job loss. To put a
"floor" under the recession. And, despite Republican rhetoric it was
successful in this function."Here's where you are sadly
mistaken. Even the CBO director himself admitted the stimulus wouldn't help the
economy (it would be a drag on GDP, he said). In 2010 the economists said that
the stimulus did not help. So, it may have been enacted to attempt such a feat,
but you wrongfully conclude that it accomplished that feat. Evidence shows
otherwise. Besides, it didn't work for FDR, why would it work for Obama?"Instead of using the surplus to strengthen SS or Medicare, he put
in place 2 tax cuts. Tax cuts which had an expiration period. Why? Because it
was well-known they would dramatically increase the deficit if kept in
place."The way the govt finances work is that the government
gets revenue from income taxes from individuals, business taxes, and sales taxes
from the economy. Increasing taxes will increase revenue from income and
business taxes, but hurts the economy in the long run because people have less
to spend. On the other hand, decreasing taxes will give more people to spend,
and the government benefits from a stronger economy.Anyway, it seems
that you are saying that Bush was bad partly because of lower taxes, then go on
to mention that Obama is helping because of lower taxes. Perfect example of
what I'm trying to illustrate: it's not the actions, it's the party
affiliation.Besides, why would Bush strengthen SS or Medicare? That
money would have been wasted.As for the wars, see the video "US
Armed Forces - We Must Fight - Ronald Reagan" on youtube. Talking to the
soldiers in Iraq will give you a COMPLETELY different view on the situation in
Iraq than the media and Democrats are letting on. It almost seems as if it was
a good thing when you talk to those who were there. It's also funny that he
promised to end the war, then in 2008 he actually visits Iraq, and as a result
he follows Bush's plan for withdrawal from Iraq (and he takes credit, too).
Hmmm.... Actions speak louder than words.
Romney "is the most sane and the most reasonable."Interesting comment from the article. However, I disagree.Romney's
support of the NDAA is hardly reasonable.Romney's support of TARP bailouts
that cost American taxpayers billions and violated the "Law of the
Harvest" is hardly reasonable.Romney's insistence with a pre-emptive
attack on Iran is hardly sane; you think we would be more careful about WMD
assumptions after Iraq. We must be sure they have these weapons before any
action is taken.Romney's lack of plan for government cuts (vs. his
spending cuts) is no solution to our ballooning debt. I could go on.
I hope people take a serious look at Ron Paul instead of
dismissively waving him off as "crazy" or "unelectable". Like
Joseph Smith said, I will vote on principle, even if I stand alone in it.
re:RivertonCougarNearly all Bush's decisions were discretionary. He
inherited a decent economy from his predecessor, except for a small,
short-lived, recession. The projections were budget surpluses going forward.
Instead of using the surplus to strengthen SS or Medicare, he put in place 2 tax
cuts. Tax cuts which had an expiration period. Why? Because it was well-known
they would dramatically increase the deficit if kept in place. Iraq. Iraq was not an imminent treat. They did not attack us. They allowed
UN Weapons Inspectors back in when pressure was applied. They didn't have WMDs.
They were a counterweight to Iran. On the other hand:Much of Obama's spending has been targeted to help rescue the economy. The Stimulus was enacted to slow the rate of job loss. To put a
"floor" under the recession. And, despite Republican rhetoric it was
successful in this function. Obama has reduced taxes, something
Republicans typically support, again to help the economy. The
deficit has grown not just due to increases in spending but also due to
decreases in revenue.
It feels like I'm watching a movie where the whole nation is riding on a train
headed for a cliff and everybody inside is arguing about the issues important to
THEMSELVES. Some won't vote for Romney, despite his clear qualification,
because he's too Mormon or not Mormon enough. He's too liberal or too
conservative. He's too rich and out of touch. He's not charismatic enough.
Meanwhile, our current locomotive engineer and his crew keep throwing more fuel
into the engine and have no intention to change course.
Not sure what the point of this article is?Did anyone expect
otherwise?Romney will carry Utah because of what he is, LDS, rather
than who he is (?) (fill in the blank).RE Fitness Freak - 'Working
out' your mind is equally important to working out your body.RE JBQ
- Enjoyed the level headed comments. Thank you.
"Oh course Utah polls show that... he is Mormon. They would say David
Archuletta could beat Obama."In fairness, David Archuletta would
probably do a better job than Obama."We really can't afford
another run by the GOP. The last time they nearly killed us off."Yeah, I know what you mean; all that debt that Bush put us in nearly killed
us! It's a good thing we ended up with someone that stopped taking us down that
path of excessive debt and trimmed government spending, or else there would be
no hope left!But seriously, guys, what did Bush do that "nearly
killed us off"? And what is Obama doing differently? If you mention the
wars, then why did the wars nearly kill us off? How does not being at war with
terrorists in Iraq put us in a better situation today than we were in 2008? Why
do you guys credit Obama for the death of Bin Laden and then ignore Bush's
action of Saddam Hussein? (Personally I believe each president should get a
small, tiny portion of the credit; the military did it, not the presidents).I think the reason people say Bush nearly killed us off was because of
the debt he added. So how does that make Obama better? Bush can start two wars
and put us in debt, while Obama ends the wars and STILL adds MORE debt in a
SHORTER period of time! (Less than half the time!) How is this better!?Let's not even go to the destructive Healthcare bill that was shoved
down our throats, breaking almost every campaign promise he made in the process.
It is nice for UtahansÂ to choose Mitt and I will vote for him if he will
help the country financially. I would also vote for Pres Obama if he would help
the country financially. The party colors matter less to me now the country is
in such a poor state.Mitt is promising lots but has yet to hit the
unmovable Congress so his promises might be short lived, the same problem the
current president ran into. The problem is that if Mitt Romney followed his
recently released program the country accrues 2.1 trillion in debt over the next
decade.How does this help anyone? Why don't these folks get it? It would be nice for the American public to see a light at the end of
the tunnel where we could see our way clear to paying down the deficit. I would not care if Romney and Obama were on the same ticket, if they
would fix the debt problem I would still vote for them. I know Mr.
Romney is a nice man, a loving husband ,a wonderful father, a successful
businessman, a proud grandfather and he saved the Olympics but his plan, not his
party's plan but his plan, will increase the debt and deficit. He brings no
light at the end of the tunnel.Today I will vote for the person with
the tough plan, it is not enough to be a good business person, or a person who
saved the Olympics, we need a person who will make the tough call.Entitlements programs have to be cut back, government employees need to have a
4-6% wage cut for a finite period of time, military needs to get ratcheted down,
overseas spending needs to be cut by 35%, healthcare cuts are needed, and every
penny of those savings needs to go towards the debt.The person who
runs on that or a similar idea will never in a million years get elected but
that is what it will take to get the country back on track.
I will not sell out my freedoms by voting for Romney or Obama. I'm too good for
that and this country is too good for that.
@deep in thoughtRomney has called himself a progressive, said he was more
liberal on gay rights than Ted Kennedy, had previously sought support from
Planned Parenthood, and oh yeah there's that Romneycare thing, his total
out-of-touch nature that reminds me a lot of John Kerry (who incidentally failed
to beat a weak incumbant due to the meh feeling among his party base about him).
Yes some people aren't voting for Mitt because of Mormonism, but if you think
people aren't seeing the light that is Mitt Romney ONLY because of it... you're
just as biased as the Ron Paul fanatics.
Utah also voted for and supported George Bush.TWICE!! Utah doesnt pick
presidents. Thankfully, Obama will be re elected in 2012 The reason our problems
exist, is because of republican administrations. Democrat Bill Clinton is the
only administration to balance the budget in the last 30 years. Lets not go down
that path again.
Yes the polls show that most UTAHNS say they BELIEVE Romney is the only
Republican presidential hopeful that can beat Obama. But that tells us nothing
to the point:Polls that compute actual levels of support for the
four candidates in the scenario where each candidate was up against Obama, show
that the BELIEF of most UTAHNS is unfounded.Ron Paul is shown, in a
poll where he is pitted against Obama, to be victorious.I couldn't
help but reflect, also, that most Utahns have been counseled in scripture to
elect "good, wise and honest men" and to uphold the Constitution of the
United States which imo is a far different thing than voting for either Romney,
Santorum or Gingrich.
Thank you, President Obama for restoring honor and the worlds respect to the
Presidency and for getting one Mr. Bin Laden. Is our nation ready to go back to
the Bush era? By the looks on the faces of the 1200 people at Mitts visit to
Ford Field (cap. 60,000) and the voices of the people who utter phrases like
"I guess I'd just hold my nose and vote for Romney, if it came down to
that), it doesn't seem like even Republicans can get excited about a Romney
candidacy. Instead of holding our noses and holding back our country, let's give
this flawed (but purty derned awesome) president a congress he can work with and
four more years. He has succeeded in getting so much done with road blocks every
step of the way--I believe he'll do even more, with or without a majority, but
it would be rather coolish to see him gain one and a couple of more Supreme
Court nominations. OBAMA BIDEN 2012---Bin Ladens Dead and GM is alive. (Best
The ideal canidate is one who doesn't want the office they are seeking. What
they want is to serve well, they have something in mind they want to
accomplish.Romney has changed his position on many things, each
change would make him more popular with the republican base, assuming people
believe him. Doesn't anyone find it suspect, that he has made no change in his
thinking that would have the effect of making him less popular, but one he made
anyway because that is the way he really feels?
for all of you who say Utahn's will only vote for Romney because he is a Mormon
- and I knew there would be several comments here before I even clicked on
comments...consider our options.Rick Santorum - Does NOT believe in
separation of church and state, can't speak for 5 minutes without bringing up
HIS religion, does not believe in birth control, thinks feminism is at the root
of all evil, and thinks that colleges are liberal indoctrination machines.
Obama would pulverize him like his Democratic opponent did last election.
Republicans have certain "off limits" attack subjects like women's
rights, women working, and birth control but the Democrats would nuke him to
Newt's moon colony.Newt Gingrich - Past ethics violations, history
of volatility, people who worked with him says he is crazy.Ron Paul
- Great guy but people worry about his National defense stance.Mitt
Romney - Turned around Olympics, made millions in private sector, was a great
Governor of Massachusetts, has impressive organizational ability.The
reason more people aren't behind Mitt Romney is because he IS Mormon. Utahn's
can simply look past his Mormonism and see the clear picture. Let's all be
honest with each other.
As we watch Romney make gaff after gaff, one wonders if there is a really giant
mistake brewing on his horizon. As the other Republican candidates find it
impossible to keep up with Romney's 2012 Election Bank Account, and fade into
the back round, things will change. There will be less or no spotlight on
Sandorum, Gingrich, and Paul. All the attention will be on Mitt. The pathetic
misspeaking and confusion Mitt is so famous for, will be multiplied, replayed
over and over, and brightly displayed for all the world to giggle at.
I want my free contraception and cell phone from Obama. What else can I get?
I'm a conservative and I'm very skeptical of Romney. The only real difference is
color. Romney came out with Romneycare and other harmful things and Obama? Well
we all know what he's all about that's for sure and thats not being an American
leader. I wish we had John Wayne here in this case because he's the Real
American,the standard of butt kicking you know putting boots to butts.When are
these people in Washington going to realize that lip service doesn't cut it
anymore and we're ready to hold all of them accountable.
Hardly surprising that Utahns think Mitt is the one. Who else would they pick?
But it's all moot. President Obama should be re-elected. It's pretty simple.
We really can't afford another run by the GOP. The last time they nearly killed
I am a Romney supporter. However, I am uneasy about the way that his campaign is
being run. A good part of the problem is the "scorched earth" policy of
his rivals. However, Mr. Romney has to be more definitive in his statements.
Maybe after Super Tuesday, he will do this. There is no doubt that the key to
the election is shaping up to be women. Mr. Obama appears to have done his
"dying of Easter eggs early" and put all of his eggs in one basket in
regard to the Contraception (abortion) Mandate. Mr. Romney has to respond to
this one issue or it will become the "albatross of the 'Rhyme of the Ancient
Oh course Utah polls show that... he is Mormon. They would say David Archuletta
could beat Obama.
I suspect a majority of utah voters believe Romney is capable of miracles. The
coverage of this guy in Utah has elevated him to almost cult leader status.
Its not only Utahns, the whole country understands that Romney can/will win the
presidential election.The only thing Romney must overcome is a
lamestream media highly biased against ANYTHINNG Republican.Without
going into details concerning the poor leadership we've had the last 3.5 yrs,
lets just say Americans will have a choice between a non-Washington insider who
built, and built, and built, all kinds of organizations, and a "community
organizer" who doesn't handle other peoples money very well.
There are two things that over the years seem to stand out about Utah opinions.
When religion or politics is the subject, keep it to yourselves.
WHAT A SURPRISE.
Makes sense to me too .