Defense attorney wants access to house where Ogden shootout occurred

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  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    March 1, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    RE: Rifleman

    My favorite is a cop killer named Angilo Freeland

    not sure what point you are making here. That the police were out of control, and unprofessional?

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    March 1, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    RE: Rifleman

    few more victim graves that need to be visited by the jury

    Annie Rae Dixon 84 years old: tyler texas: Bedridden with pneumonia during a drug raid. Officer kicked open her bedroom door and accidentally shot her.
    Pedro Oregon Navarro : Following up on a tip from a drug suspect, 6 officers crowded into a hallway outside NavarroÂs bedroom. When the door opened, one officer shouted that he had a gun. NavarroÂs gun was never fired, but officers fired 30 rounds, with 12 of them hitting Pedro. No drugs were found
    Cheryl Noel : Substitute Sunday School Teacher Cheryl Noel possessed a registered handgun, which she kept in her bedroom (9 years earlier, Cheryl has lost her 16-year-old stepdaughter in a shooting murder). On January 19, just before 5 am, police burst into her home using flash-bang grenade and battering ram looking for drugs. Both Cheryl and her husband were asleep in the master bedroom. Suddenly awake and fearing an armed intrusion, Cheryl grabbed her gun. Police kicked in the bedroom door and shot her 3 times.
    Mario Paz 65 yrs old: Mario was shot twice in the back in his bedroom during a SWAT raid looking for marijuana. No drugs were found.
    Manuel Ramirez: At 2 am, police smashed down the door and rushed into the home of Manuel Ramirez, a retired golf course groundskeeper. Ramirez awoke, grabbed a pistol and shot and killed officer Arthur Parga before other officers killed him. Police were raiding the house based on a tip that drugs were on the premises, but they found no drugs.
    Donald P. Scott : Government agencies were interested in the property of this reclusive millionaire. A warrant was issued based on concocted Âevidence of supposed marijuana plantings, and a major raid was conducted with a 32-man assault team. Scott was shot to death in front of his wife. No drugs were found.
    A later official report found: ÂIt is the District AttorneyÂs opinion that the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department was motivated, at least in part, by a desire to seize and forfeit the ranch for the government. Based in part upon the possibility of forfeiture, Spencer obtained a search warrant that was not supported by probable cause. This search warrant became Donald ScottÂs death warrant.Â
    Alberta Spruill Police, acting on a tip, forced their way into SpruillÂs home, setting off flash grenades. She suffered a heart attack and died. It was the wrong address.
    Kenneth B. Walker Walker and three companions were pulled over in an SUV by police in a drug investigation. No drugs or weapons were found, but Walker was shot in the head. Walker was a devoted husband and father, a respected member of his church, and a 15-year middle-management employee of Blue Cross and Blue Shield.
    Deputy David Glisson, who killed Walker, was fired three months later for failing to cooperate in an investigation into the shooting.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 1, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    Re: VIDAR 2:44 p.m. March 1, 2012

    My favorite is a cop killer named Angilo Freeland. The SWAT team fired 110 rounds at him, hitting him 68 times. When Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd was asked why they shot him so many times he said "thatÂs all the bullets we had or we would have shot him more". (And yes, you can Google Snopes to verify the accuracy of my comment.)

    The individual that will be on trial for killing Ogden police officer Jared Francom will be Matthew Stewart ¦.. and not the police department.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    March 1, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    RE: Rifleman

    Hopefully the jury will also be allowed to tour his house ..... and the cemetery when his victim is buried.

    After the tour there they can go on to tour the graveyards of these victims as well:
    John Adams: 64 yr old Lebanon tn: Shot to death during a SWAT drug raid while watching TV. The house didnÂt match the description on the warrant.
    Rev. Jonathan Ayers: After meeting with a parishioner who was under surveillance by drug cops, the pastor went to a Convenience store ATM. Coming out, he was confronted by men waving guns. He didnÂt know they were undercover cops, and was shot to death while driving off, fearing for his life.
    Rudolfo ÂRudy Cardenas 43 yr old san jose, ca: Rudy was a father of five who was passing by a house targeted by narcotics officers attempting to serve a parole violation warrant and the police mistakenly thought he was the one they were there to arrest. They chased Cardenas, and he fled, apparently afraid of them (they were not uniformed). Cardenas was shot multiple times in the back.
    Dorothy Duckett, 78, told the Mercury News she looked out her fifth-floor window after hearing one gunshot and saw Cardenas pleading for his life. ÂI watched him running with his hands in the air. He kept saying, ÂDonÂt shoot. DonÂt shoot,ÂÂ Duckett said. ÂHe had absolutely nothing in his hands.Â
    Derek Hale : A retired Marine Sergeant who served two tours in Iraq, was peacefully sitting on the front stoop of a house, when police in unmarked cars who had him under surveillance (believing based on his acquaintances that he might be part of a narcotics ring) pulled up and tasered him three times, causing him to go into convulsions and throw up. Because he had not gotten his hand free from his jacket quickly enough (while convulsing) an officer then shot him point blank in the chest with three .40 caliber rounds. HaleÂs widow has filed a civil lawsuit.
    Willie Heard : SWAT conducted a no-knock drug raid, complete with flash-bang grenades. Heard was shot to death in front of his wife and 16-year-old daughter who had cried for help. Fearing home invasion, he was holding an empty rifle. The raid was at the wrong house
    Ismael Mena: Mena was killed when police barged into his house looking for drugs. They had the wrong address

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 1, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    Re: VIDAR 6:03 a.m. March 1, 2012
    "should we just do away with trials altogether?"

    No need for the dramatics. No one is suggesting that this suspect be denied his day in court. Hopefully the jury will also be allowed to tour his house ..... and the cemetery when his victim is buried.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    March 1, 2012 6:03 a.m.


    you are being nieve if you think police do not falsify evidence. There are too many examples to say it never happens.
    I find it curious when people look down on defense attornys. Do we have a system where they are no longer needed? should we just do away with trials altogether? Should we just trust whatever the police charge is 100% correct?
    Should defense attornys simple become a non-functioning piece of the court system.
    If I was charged with something I would want the best defense possible.
    Or maybe people think only guilty people are charge by or become involved with the police.
    All you have to do is obey the law, and you will stay out of trouble.
    The truth is that the defense attorney is probably the most honest and ethical person involved in trials.
    They represent the truest and most valuable part of our constitutional rights. They are the gift that our countries creators left for us.
    the bill or rights is esentially the rights that private citizens have to protect them from the police.
    Why are people and apparently the police so scared to allow the defense attorny to have access to the house?
    That is the question we all should be asking.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 29, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    Happy Valley Heretic, obviously you have had run ins with the cops that have left you a tad jaded. In a case like this, even if the cops had the disposition to bury evidence, which they don't, they wouldn't do it. 99% of the cops are hard working, decent people. There are some that are not, but they won't be involved in this case. Since you have obviously never been in a position to investigate a crime or follow the evidence through to conclusion, you really shouldn't make such uneducated statements.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 29, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Re: Gert B Frobe 11:52 a.m. Feb. 29, 2012
    "By the comments here it looks as though you are guilty until proven innocent."

    Ogden police officer Jared Francom, a seven-year veteran of the department and father of two, died and five other police officers were wounded during the shootout with this suspect. He won't be convicted of murder until after his trial and deliberations by a jury of his peers and so the liberals who are cheering for him can relax.

  • Gert B Frobe OGDEN, UT
    Feb. 29, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    By the comments here it looks as though you are guilty until proven innocent. I just hope that you are never in a position where people assume your guilty of something you may or may not have done.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 29, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Guilty by press release, gotta love those who understand the justice system soooo well.
    The only evidence being buried is by the Ogden police, who continue to leak info to the press
    that makes them look like victims, in a confusing story line.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 29, 2012 6:00 a.m.

    The most important evidence in this suspect's case is now buried in the cemetery where everybody has access.

  • North Summit 05 Coalville, UT
    Feb. 29, 2012 5:11 a.m.

    The defense is going to drag this out as long as they can do they honestly expect the public to believe that the Cops broke into his house illegally did not announce themselves his neighbors heard the Police announce themselves so everyone needs to give that a rest if he was not the one doing the shooting who was one Police Officer lost his life he was a Husband Father Son and a good man then five other Officers were shot while trying to save their fallen comrade if the Officers were able to clear two floors the main level and the basement if he was defending his home he would've wanted to find them before they found him he was simply waiting for the right time to ambush the Officers this man did commit murder if he was defending his home so people enough with blaming this on the cops all they did was their jobs if they had not raided this mans house someone would be nagging that they never do their job!