Immigration bills likely dead for the 2012 legislative session

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  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 29, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    When you have tony yapius rushing to your defense....I think you had better get out your resume....your days as speaker/rep are over as is your career in out these RINO's like Becky lockhart, as a delegate, I WILL VOTE TO THROW THE RINO'S OUT!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 11:31 p.m.

    The excuse: it's Federal responsibility.
    The truth:
    1)that did not stop the legislature from passing three bills last year giving guest worker passes, and setting the state with an immigration department, far exceeding the constitution and Federal government.

    2)drivers privileged cards encourage illegal immigration. They give acceptance to law breakers and approval of their actions. In direct violation of Federal law.

    3)E-verify has been approved as a state way of controlling illegal immigration. We don't need to wait for the Supreme court to rule on it.

    Their excuse is just that, an excuse to do something. Allowing dishonesty to continue, meeting in back rooms. Utah has become totally corrupt over this issue. Start dealing honestly with us, your transparency is going to tear this state to pieces.

  • Miss Piggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    Best ever post, My2Cents @ Taylorsville, UT.

    The state can and should enforce ID theft, jobs, etc. These areas have nothing to do with immigration which the federal government insists is its bailiwick. This would more than amply control illegal immigration in the state. Piece a cake. Can't imagine why the elected officials don't jump on this. Would make most citizens of the state (except illegals, of course) happy.

    Feb. 28, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    @On the other hand, Hunt never said the people of Utah, but was talking about the delegates (Republican) I think that's well known and was carried in various media.

    The people of Utah deserve transparency. There is no reason not to allow e-verify to pass with business licenses pulled. Unless the Republican legislators and lobbyists approve of identity theft of children.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    @Hunt, exactly where did this "clear directive to repeal HB116" come from? It didn't come from a majority of Utahns.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    The Republican leadership in the Utah Legislature disgusts me. They were given a clear directive to repeal HB116 and instead choose to continue to play their political games in hopes that their constituents will forget all about it. I for one can't wait for the Caucus meetings. Apparently Republican leadership in Utah hasn't had enough wake up calls yet. Time to throw the lot of them out with the bath water and return the power to the people and away from special interest.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    "...The issue isn't one of 'R's', or 'D's'...".

    So, why the Limbaughesque attack on President Obama?

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    @Mostly Silent Bob, a certain political party of considerable local popularity frequently trumpets the advantages of our "republican form of government". As it turns out, one of the hallmarks of this form of government, particularly as implemented in Utah, is that it creates a power pyramid where small handfuls of people end up wielding most of the influence, and their obligation to honor the wishes of the state's citizens is tenuous at best. Members of the aforementioned party frequently cite the fact that the system gives "grassroots" efforts a fighting chance as one of its greatest advantages. I guess that includes the "grassroots" efforts of well-connected lobbyists.

  • Mostly Silent Bob Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    Lockhart said she did not kill the bill. The Rules Committee decided not to advance any illegal immigration bills for legislative hearings this year, she said. And when did we the people get to vote on who this small group is who decides what is going to be voted on and not voted on? This is starting to smell the same as the pile of stuff the early colonialists dealt with before a certain party in Boston Harbor. The Chruchocracy has got to be brought into check, I am an active member of the church but am becoming increasingly angry about the involvement of the church in lobbying to have certain bills never see the light of day. Honestly it is not ethical or moral.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    I would urge all to remember those who voted for those bills that came out of the Legislature last year. The reason the Legislature passed on bills this year is to hope that we the voters will have forgotten last year by nest year. Con job as usual.

  • Clear and Reasoned Provo, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Herrod and Sandstrom are trying to use the immigration issue to give them FREE campaign help and get them elected to higher office. We don't need people that circumvent procedures and throw tantrums to represent us. The best policies come forward with building concensus not threats and tirades and manipulation. Good for Lockhart and the other Legislators for not putting up with it. There is a task force working on the immigration issues. Let them do the work and make good public policy, not personal public policy for the benefit of headlines.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    "NeilT" You're mistaken. Mr. Obama only instructed border patrol to "count" differently the numbers they sent back home.
    A common tactic of the Obama administration. If the numbers won't fit the political agenda you need; count them differently. Presto, problem solved.
    You DO UNDERSTAND (I hope)that if Utah would perservere in whatever enforcement measures they possibly can/could implement Utahs class sizes would decrease in relation to the amount of illegal trespassers that returned to their homeland.

    Also, illegal immigration costs Utah approx. 400 million per yr. in the way of "freebies" for illegal trespassers.
    Why not pass illegal enforcement measures available to us and try to SAVE some of that money for the use of LEGAL residents?

    Utah residents: PLEASE attend your neighborhood caucuses in March and do your best to elect representatives who WILL represent the ACTUAL LEGAL CITIZENS of Utah.

    The issue isn't one of "R's", or "D's".

    Its' one of law enforcement!!

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 5:47 a.m.

    Good news. Now we can move onto real issues like funding education. Illegal immigration is a non issue that the far right won't let go of. The number of illegal immigrants had already dropped drastically under the Obama administration. Time to move on and drop this divisive issue.

    Feb. 28, 2012 4:52 a.m.

    The message was sent. A few legislatures stopped the people from having a fair discussion about illegal immigration. Like the Utah compact and the bills last year, secret discussions were used to keep the public from contributing their voice.

    This is not the way something this important should be handled.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 4:46 a.m.

    Rather than worry about the federal emigration policies and enforcement, why doesn't the state work on legislation to stop and criminalize ID theft, foreign occupation by illegal foreign nationals, employer and business violations in the federal labor law act, wrongful distribution of welfare and socialized care programs, ineligible distribution of Medicaid and Medicare funds for ineligible persons for age, nationality and fraud.

    There are many ways Utah can act and improve the lives and rights of the americans workers that are not related to and independent of immigration laws. This state by defending the rights of americans can save billions of dollars in wasted fund distribution alone and gain taxes with existing tax laws with a few declarations of job designations.

    The state has every right to regulate and write labor laws stopping business from employing illegal aliens and has nothing to do with immigration violations. What Utah does or is doing on this labor issue is a matter of labor law violations, not immigrations violations.

    The idea is to keep illegal aliens out of the workforce and to punish employers who violate the Federal Labor laws and rights of the american citizens with all the tools available to the state which they are not doing. We have the means to move children of illegal aliens out of the schools, welfare, and food stamp programs but refuse to obey the established laws and rights of the american people.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    It's just making the voters more upset and less trustful of the Republican legislature.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 27, 2012 8:35 p.m.

    Illegal immigration is one of the largest issues Utahns are trying to deal with right now, and it's very disappointing that our own legislature has decided they've done enough. So similar to the Utah Compact and our federal government, the Utah legislature is accomplishing next to nothing.