Arches and Canyonlands bottle ban sparks feud

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  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 23, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    Corndog: Read the story. There is not a ban on bringing water bottles into the park, so you're right that people will bring them in. The ban is the selling of water bottles within the park, so as to limit the amount of bottles going to a landfill. As the picture clearly shows, there are fountains to refill your water bottle. If someone dehydrates on the trail from lack of water, it will be because of their own irresponsibility, not because some kiosk doesn't sell water.

  • Corn Dog New York, NY
    Feb. 23, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    Some perspective is in order.

    Litter from discarded plastic bottles is unsightly and creates a maintenance headache, but is preferable to retrieving a dead body because someone became dehydrated on one of the trails because of a lack of water.

    The amount of petroleum used to make a disposable water bottle is far less than the amount of petroleum needed to drive to Arches, Canyonlands, Grand Canyon, or Zion. If you are worried about wasting resources, stay home. Visiting a National Park is a non-essential, leisure-time activity.

    Banning sales of disposable water bottles in the parks won't prevent people from bringing them into the park.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    Dumprake -- environmental conservationists do not worship the earth. Instead, we are intelligent enough to understand that humans are totally dependent upon the earth for our very survival.

    Could it be that we respect humans more than you do and want to keep this fragile planet a hospitable place for us and our children? If people like you have your way and destroy the balance of earth and its environment, where will your children live?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    Delta -- I'm an old desert hiker. Graduate of a desert survival training session.

    What you say about desert hiking and water is true, but the rest of your info is questionable.

    As for "merchants" losing sales in national park areas, that's not correct. This will ban sales of bottles inside parks. Inside parks, the only merchants are concessionaires who operate under permit from the park service. Most of them have already stopped sales of bottled water without any restriction from the NPS. In some cases, bottled water producers have managed to get some probably political doors opened to allow dispensing machines for their products in return for "donations" to the park. (Hovenweep is an example of this.)

    I stand by all I wrote earlier. Let's see some supporting documentation from you.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 23, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    Environmentalists worship a tangible entity, and you worship an intangible entity. How nutty is that?

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Bannin the bottles makes us Greener. Temperature in these parks in the summer is 100+ degrees. No water bottles available will not add to the Green. First off, there is mostly red in the parks. Second, the people walking through will need water so what are they selling? My bet a much more expensive bottle. It all comes down to Money.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    "green" is the biggest fraud of the century. And it is not about the "environment," it's about power and control. Environmentalists worship the earth, not God, but the earth, and their own documents state clearly that if people have to die to "save the earth" then that's the way it has to be. How completely nutty is that. If it says "green" I will not buy it. If it says anything about "saving the environment" I will not buy or support it.

    Feb. 23, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    The title of the article is misleading. It should be "Ban on selling bottled water at Arches and Canyonlands Sparks fued."

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    @one old man: I hate to tell you, but if you are walking out in the desert you do need to be hydrated. Anyone with any experience outside will tell you that. Also, the whole "eight glasses of water per day" isn't just an old wives tale, any doctor will tell you there is sound medical reasoning behind that. Staying hydrated helps blood flow and kidney function immensely. Ever had stones? Drink more water and you will avoid them.

    But on to the topic at hand, banning sales of bottled water is ridiculous. It will hurt merchants and do nothing to solve the problem. Intelligent people will simply bring water purchased from outside the park... why pay the exorbitant tourist trap rates at park stores anyways?

    If you want to keep the parks cleaner, try adding a few more trash receptacles at strategic locations on the trails. Or increase fees by a dollar or two and hire some folks to patrol the trails and pick up trash. Protect the environment while providing much needed jobs... now there is an idea I could get behind.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    This is not so much a fight against litter as it is a fight against waste of our resources. Disposable water bottles are a product of a very clever marketing campaign that has fooled many people into believing they need to be "hydrated." (Whatever that is. Most doctors will tell you it's not necessary.) Then there are the enormous amounts of petroleum that are used to produce the bottles. (Google to find out how much water bottle production may be adding to gasoline costs.) And then there is the clogging of landfills with empties.

    The National Park Service is charged with being the leading steward of some of our most precious scenic lands and historic resources. It is the responsibility of the NPS to try to teach proper conservation and stewardship to all of us.

    It would be simply wrong for the Park Service to continue to allow sale of these bottles inside park boundaries.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Feb. 23, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    How about we just increase the tax on them to pay for their disposal and cleanup?

    Kind of like we do with Alcohol and Cigarettes?

    Then we can use that additional tax money for School Lunches and Roads.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    Even if a liter problem was out of hand. Merchants have rights and I have a real need for health. This isn't logical in any way.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    Typical overreaction. I walked several trails at Arches last year and found them to be well taken care of and the most litter I saw were cigarette butts. I saw no water bottles. A good canteen or water bag is better to carry than plastic bottles. On a hot day you need much more than a pint of water.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Feb. 23, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    Why not ban possession and use of tobacco products? Get rid of the butts and filters littering the trails, the chaw spit on the grounds, paths and benches? Stop a major cause of fires while encouraging better healths among visitors?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 5:13 a.m.

    As much as this seems to be an infringement on use of the parks all you have to do is walk a trail and you can see the carnage of waste people are leaving behind. The honor system of self control has fallen out of favor so it was inevitable this ban on park sales of plastic would happen. I'm sure the park will carry metal or reusable/biodegradeable water bottles and even have free water available to fill them.

    Taking water is common sense safety but those with no honor make it hard for those who are responsible people.