@DuckHunterThe All PAC-12 team was selected by the coaches. Those
coaches spend a week in preparation of each game assessing the strenths and
weakness of each team and its players. They know how the opposing players
played against their team. After 9 Conference games the coaches selected Cullen
as the second best left offensive tackle in the league. Only Stanford's was
considered better. Cullen better than USC's, Oregon's, Washington's, UCLA's,
etc. Now the combines have invited as one of the top players in the
country to participate.Yet, your opinion - he is "a joke".
I can see where you're coming from.
Duckhunter:"BYU's offense clearly improved as the season
progressed and once Nelson took over. utah's got worse, if that is even
possible."As the season progressed, the cougars stopped playing
teams like Texas and Utah, and replaced them with low-level WAC talent. THAT's
why Nelson appeared to have been playing better. It wasn't so much that he'd
improved as it was that your competition got easier. Look at TCU for example.
Nelson put up solid QB ratings of 205.0 [USU], 159.6 [SJSU], 159.7 [Ore.St.],
and 229.2 [Idaho St.], but as soon as he faced a REAL Defense -- like that of
TCU -- he regresses down to a 111.6. THEN, he "improves" again with
171.5 and 176.7. Of course that was vs. teams like Idaho and Hawai'i. Then he
finishes up with a mediocre Tulsa...but only manages a mediocre 109.8.Wynn was "meh" vs. USC [100.6], followed that up with an improved
performance vs. the Y [135.6], and was solid vs. Washington [151.9]. So it
looks like Utah was improving too.Hays, the D-II QB who had no
business playing in the Pac-12 was up and down. He didn't have the enefit of
playing teams like USU, SJSU, Idaho St, or Hawai'i to pad his QB rating, but he
did very well vs. Washington [152.5], mediocre vs. Ariz. St. [106.7], improved
vs. Pittsburgh [121.6], awful vs. California [79.2], vastly improved vs. Oregon
St. [127.2], superb vs. Ariz. [168.2], big time backslide vs. UCLA [107.1],
improved again vs. Wash. St. [118.5], solid vs. Colorado [147.4], and better vs.
Ga. Tech than Nelson was vs. Tulsa. And what can we take away from THAT?
Nothing. Too sporadic. Too hot-and-cold. But at least he played quality
opponents. Not WAC teams.Based on what I see, were Heaps, Nelson,
Wynn, and Hays competing for the same starting spot on the same team, Wynn would
be the starter. Nelson and Hays would compete for #2, and Heaps would fetch
their water and hand towels. I'm sure Nelso will do very well vs. Weber St,
Hawai'i, Utah St, Idaho, San Jose St, and NM State, but that won't mean he's 1st
string material at a Pac-12 school. Let's see if he can do better than
somewhere in the mid-120s [Hays' season ave. was 124.4] vs. the Utes before we
can conclude he'd beat out a former D-II QB."The pac12 is not
exactly a strong defensive conference, pretty weak actually..."Actually, the Pac-12 was a strong OFFENSIVE conference. And a strong offense
makes good defenses look worse than they really are, so you can't conclude that
our Defenses - as a conference as a whole - were weak. According to ESPN,
Pac-12 ranked as the 3rd toughest conference in the nation for 2011. Your WAC
conference was dead last. So whether or not our Defense was weak, overall, we
finished 8 spots ahead of your WAC. So it's pretty clear who was "pretty
weak" last season.
I offer a succinct yet accurate summary of the trolls 4 (currently out of 12)
posts on this Ute article:hypocrisy, justification, rationalization,
spin, desperation, excuses, deflection, etc....."
@who am i sirI was the "original BYU fan" that wrote it
and yes I did state it was offense I was talking about and nothing that occured
this year proved otherwise.BYU's offense clearly improved as the
season progressed and once Nelson took over. utah's got worse, if that is even
possible. The pac12 is not exactly a strong defensive conference,
pretty weak actually, so it isn't like the ute's were getting shut down by SEC
teams every week. They were typical mediocre to weak pac12 defenses that they
could do anything against.Keep trying to pretend otherwise if it
makes you feel better.
@DuckHunterFirst - the original Y fan's comment was not just about
offense. He proclaimed only one possilbe Ute could start for the Y. Not only 1
offensive player. Second - regarding offense. You conceed our
running back was better. Loved your dismissal of Cullen as "a joke".
Of course you are correct and the PAC-12 all team selection validates your
assessment. Third - Should we compare your defense with our when
ours was considered the perhaps the best in the PAC-12 with two first team and
one chosen by his opponents as the best defensive lineman in the PAC-12. And
Georgia Tech's coach saying our front seven was the best they faced the entire
year.Fourth - The combine and draft should shed some light as to the
Bergstrom/Reynolds question - but you might not accept that as sufficient
evidence.My "distortion" clear now?
"utah's offense was terrible for the season. BYU's was much better"It is easy to put up big numbers on Idaho, Idaho St., New Mexico St.,
etc. But when they faced decent teams, like Utah, Texas, and TCU, byu's offense
was bad. Really bad. Even against a 2 win (I think) Ole Miss team byu's
offense only put up 10 points.
@proud utebergstrom isn't getting much "attention from the
nfl". Some writer somewhere made one of those long shot predictions that no
one remembers if it doesn't pan out but he can claim he is a genious on the long
shot it does.
And yet here the troll is spewing his blue skewed nonsense commenting on a story
about Bergstrom drawing attention from the NFL rather than Reynolds. The
troll does have a chutzpah, he doesn't have a clue, but he does have chutzpah.
Hey, ducky...Does 71-26 make you feel better?
@KHNo. One game does not make a season, although we all know the BYU
game is all that matters to utah in any season.utah's offense was
terrible for the season. BYU's was much better although it was only above
average. utah's just plain stunk. So no nothing to "rethink". Outside
of white which player on utah's offense would have started, or was better than
anyone on BYU's? Bergstrom does not start over Reynolds, cullen was a joke, both
qb's were awful. Simply put utah had one of the worst offenses in all D1.
"Nothing that school did offensively served to prove otherwise." Duckhunter, I disagree. Utah's offense scored 31 points in that game as
opposed to byu only scoring 10. I'll break it down for you.Utah's defense
scored first - 7-0 Utahbyu kicked a field goal - 7-3 Utahbyu
scored a touchdown - 7-10 byuUtah's offense touchdown - 14-10
Utah at halfUtah's offense touchdown - 21-10 UtahUtah kicked
field goal - 24-10Utah scored touchdown off of byu kickoff fumble
(missed PAT) 30-10 Utah (credit Utah's special teams)Utah kicked field
goal off of byu fumble - 33-10 Utah (credit Utah's defense)Utah's offense
touchdown - 40-10 UtahUtah's offense touchdown - 47-10 UtahFumble return for touchdown - 54-10 UtahUtah scored on offense
31 points compared to 10 for byu. Do you want to rethink your statement?
@whoamisirOf course you distort to try and make your non point.1 player that could start on the OFFENSE of the other school. Nothing
that school did offensively served to prove otherwise.
One additional thought to my last comment.When the two teams met
head to head the visiting team (the one thought to have at most one player who
could start for the other team) won 54-10! Imagine how good the one
team would be if they didn't have to play the season!
A tale of two cities.Before the season one school had a fan
predicting 9 players would be drafted (later changed to a modest 7!); and
another fan saying that maybe 1 but no more than one from that school could
start for the other school. And one offensive lineman lissted on the
"outland trophy"(?) watch for the best offensive lineman in the
country.the other school prepared for the season. At the end of the
season this team had 3 first team All-Pac players (including one chosen by his
peers as the best defensive lineman in the PAC-12) and 2 second team selections.
In addition 3 players chosen for the pre-draft combine (the other school had 2)
and one of these slected as a player who could "create buzz" athe the
combine. Two different approaches! Two different results!
Not too shabby. At the end of the day the Utes should have 3-5 players selected
by the NFL.It's a no-brainer for any potential recruit. Come play
for the Utes and have a great shot at the NFL, or play somewhere else where you
will spend 4 years sipping on pickle juice while watching a fireside.