Red roundup: Tony Bergstrom could create buzz at NFL combine

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  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 25, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    @DuckHunter

    The All PAC-12 team was selected by the coaches. Those coaches spend a week in preparation of each game assessing the strenths and weakness of each team and its players. They know how the opposing players played against their team. After 9 Conference games the coaches selected Cullen as the second best left offensive tackle in the league. Only Stanford's was considered better. Cullen better than USC's, Oregon's, Washington's, UCLA's, etc.

    Now the combines have invited as one of the top players in the country to participate.

    Yet, your opinion - he is "a joke".

    I can see where you're coming from.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 24, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "BYU's offense clearly improved as the season progressed and once Nelson took over. utah's got worse, if that is even possible."

    As the season progressed, the cougars stopped playing teams like Texas and Utah, and replaced them with low-level WAC talent. THAT's why Nelson appeared to have been playing better. It wasn't so much that he'd improved as it was that your competition got easier. Look at TCU for example. Nelson put up solid QB ratings of 205.0 [USU], 159.6 [SJSU], 159.7 [Ore.St.], and 229.2 [Idaho St.], but as soon as he faced a REAL Defense -- like that of TCU -- he regresses down to a 111.6. THEN, he "improves" again with 171.5 and 176.7. Of course that was vs. teams like Idaho and Hawai'i. Then he finishes up with a mediocre Tulsa...but only manages a mediocre 109.8.

    Wynn was "meh" vs. USC [100.6], followed that up with an improved performance vs. the Y [135.6], and was solid vs. Washington [151.9]. So it looks like Utah was improving too.

    Hays, the D-II QB who had no business playing in the Pac-12 was up and down. He didn't have the enefit of playing teams like USU, SJSU, Idaho St, or Hawai'i to pad his QB rating, but he did very well vs. Washington [152.5], mediocre vs. Ariz. St. [106.7], improved vs. Pittsburgh [121.6], awful vs. California [79.2], vastly improved vs. Oregon St. [127.2], superb vs. Ariz. [168.2], big time backslide vs. UCLA [107.1], improved again vs. Wash. St. [118.5], solid vs. Colorado [147.4], and better vs. Ga. Tech than Nelson was vs. Tulsa. And what can we take away from THAT? Nothing. Too sporadic. Too hot-and-cold. But at least he played quality opponents. Not WAC teams.

    Based on what I see, were Heaps, Nelson, Wynn, and Hays competing for the same starting spot on the same team, Wynn would be the starter. Nelson and Hays would compete for #2, and Heaps would fetch their water and hand towels. I'm sure Nelso will do very well vs. Weber St, Hawai'i, Utah St, Idaho, San Jose St, and NM State, but that won't mean he's 1st string material at a Pac-12 school. Let's see if he can do better than somewhere in the mid-120s [Hays' season ave. was 124.4] vs. the Utes before we can conclude he'd beat out a former D-II QB.

    "The pac12 is not exactly a strong defensive conference, pretty weak actually..."

    Actually, the Pac-12 was a strong OFFENSIVE conference. And a strong offense makes good defenses look worse than they really are, so you can't conclude that our Defenses - as a conference as a whole - were weak. According to ESPN, Pac-12 ranked as the 3rd toughest conference in the nation for 2011. Your WAC conference was dead last. So whether or not our Defense was weak, overall, we finished 8 spots ahead of your WAC. So it's pretty clear who was "pretty weak" last season.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Feb. 24, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    I offer a succinct yet accurate summary of the trolls 4 (currently out of 12) posts on this Ute article:

    hypocrisy, justification, rationalization, spin, desperation, excuses, deflection, etc....."

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 24, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    @who am i sir

    I was the "original BYU fan" that wrote it and yes I did state it was offense I was talking about and nothing that occured this year proved otherwise.

    BYU's offense clearly improved as the season progressed and once Nelson took over. utah's got worse, if that is even possible.

    The pac12 is not exactly a strong defensive conference, pretty weak actually, so it isn't like the ute's were getting shut down by SEC teams every week. They were typical mediocre to weak pac12 defenses that they could do anything against.

    Keep trying to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    @DuckHunter

    First - the original Y fan's comment was not just about offense. He proclaimed only one possilbe Ute could start for the Y. Not only 1 offensive player.

    Second - regarding offense. You conceed our running back was better. Loved your dismissal of Cullen as "a joke". Of course you are correct and the PAC-12 all team selection validates your assessment.

    Third - Should we compare your defense with our when ours was considered the perhaps the best in the PAC-12 with two first team and one chosen by his opponents as the best defensive lineman in the PAC-12. And Georgia Tech's coach saying our front seven was the best they faced the entire year.

    Fourth - The combine and draft should shed some light as to the Bergstrom/Reynolds question - but you might not accept that as sufficient evidence.

    My "distortion" clear now?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 24, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    "utah's offense was terrible for the season. BYU's was much better"

    It is easy to put up big numbers on Idaho, Idaho St., New Mexico St., etc. But when they faced decent teams, like Utah, Texas, and TCU, byu's offense was bad. Really bad. Even against a 2 win (I think) Ole Miss team byu's offense only put up 10 points.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    @proud ute

    bergstrom isn't getting much "attention from the nfl". Some writer somewhere made one of those long shot predictions that no one remembers if it doesn't pan out but he can claim he is a genious on the long shot it does.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Feb. 23, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    And yet here the troll is spewing his blue skewed nonsense commenting on a story about Bergstrom drawing attention from the NFL rather than Reynolds.
    The troll does have a chutzpah, he doesn't have a clue, but he does have chutzpah.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Hey, ducky...

    Does 71-26 make you feel better?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 6:34 p.m.

    @KH

    No. One game does not make a season, although we all know the BYU game is all that matters to utah in any season.

    utah's offense was terrible for the season. BYU's was much better although it was only above average. utah's just plain stunk. So no nothing to "rethink". Outside of white which player on utah's offense would have started, or was better than anyone on BYU's? Bergstrom does not start over Reynolds, cullen was a joke, both qb's were awful. Simply put utah had one of the worst offenses in all D1.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    "Nothing that school did offensively served to prove otherwise."

    Duckhunter, I disagree. Utah's offense scored 31 points in that game as opposed to byu only scoring 10. I'll break it down for you.
    Utah's defense scored first - 7-0 Utah
    byu kicked a field goal - 7-3 Utah
    byu scored a touchdown - 7-10 byu
    Utah's offense touchdown - 14-10 Utah at half
    Utah's offense touchdown - 21-10 Utah
    Utah kicked field goal - 24-10
    Utah scored touchdown off of byu kickoff fumble (missed PAT) 30-10 Utah (credit Utah's special teams)
    Utah kicked field goal off of byu fumble - 33-10 Utah (credit Utah's defense)
    Utah's offense touchdown - 40-10 Utah
    Utah's offense touchdown - 47-10 Utah
    Fumble return for touchdown - 54-10 Utah

    Utah scored on offense 31 points compared to 10 for byu. Do you want to rethink your statement?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 23, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    @whoamisir

    Of course you distort to try and make your non point.

    1 player that could start on the OFFENSE of the other school. Nothing that school did offensively served to prove otherwise.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    One additional thought to my last comment.

    When the two teams met head to head the visiting team (the one thought to have at most one player who could start for the other team) won 54-10!

    Imagine how good the one team would be if they didn't have to play the season!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    A tale of two cities.

    Before the season one school had a fan predicting 9 players would be drafted (later changed to a modest 7!); and another fan saying that maybe 1 but no more than one from that school could start for the other school. And one offensive lineman lissted on the "outland trophy"(?) watch for the best offensive lineman in the country.

    the other school prepared for the season. At the end of the season this team had 3 first team All-Pac players (including one chosen by his peers as the best defensive lineman in the PAC-12) and 2 second team selections. In addition 3 players chosen for the pre-draft combine (the other school had 2) and one of these slected as a player who could "create buzz" athe the combine.

    Two different approaches! Two different results!

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    Not too shabby. At the end of the day the Utes should have 3-5 players selected by the NFL.

    It's a no-brainer for any potential recruit. Come play for the Utes and have a great shot at the NFL, or play somewhere else where you will spend 4 years sipping on pickle juice while watching a fireside.