Cox family exploring solutions to prevent incidents like the murder of their grandsons

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  • K Mchenry, IL
    Feb. 22, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    It's not the police who determine to make a charge and arrest it's the DA. It is the courts. They didn't have enough evidence where the DA's office felt an arrest and charge could be won. Really not a poor excuse. They don't have a body. They don't have a witness. You only get one try to convict.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    The system isn't perfect, no system ever is. And most instances like this are just about impossible to completely prevent.

    You feel for the family, and understand their frustration and anger. But if they're going to try and place blame, they aren't looking in all the right places.

    I'm sure this makes me sound un-American, but a big portion of the blame needs to go to the police department. When they all come on after the tragedy saying "We believe Josh killed Susan," that should infuriate the Powell's. Yet they only seem to want to blame the court system. You know he's guilty, do your job and he'd have been in jail a year ago. Unable to commit these murders. Every job has "red-tape" to sort through, that's a poor excuse. Do what you need to do to get this guy off the street, especially since you all seem to know he's guilty.

  • David B. Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    One of the big things that I saw in this that wasn't done and should have is to have the visitations in a public place with supervivision while the pending tests were being done.That would have eliminated this scenario.Second final custody should not be decided til the case that was pending is over ( any charges against Josh).

    Anytime when there is a murder charge pending against a parent the children should go to protective services til the conclusion of the trial.A place where contact cannot be made. I know it would be tough on the grandparents but in this case where one of the grandparents is in custody for kiddy porn it's in the best interest of the kids not to be exposed to any of it.

  • lledwards38 Canandaigua, NY
    Feb. 22, 2012 6:00 a.m.

    There was plenty of information to indicate that Josh Powell was a danger to his children. The supervised visits should have been made in a public place, such as a CPS office, or YMCA where there others around to keep the children safe.

    Josh Powell was not a unique case. Everyday women and children are killed by a father/spouse/partner who is angry that the partner is leaving him and taking the children.

    Judges also need to be educated on the risks involved when they make custody and visitation decisions. They also need to have full access to all the information available about the family dynamics and potential for violence.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Feb. 21, 2012 11:53 p.m.

    I agree with a law that would protect the children of parents that are of interest in a spouse death or when they go missing. Drew Peterson had it in him to kill two wives, his children are lucky to be alive, cause he was as deranged as Josh Powell was. Even if a child's life is not at risk, their mental well being is.

  • Idaho_Boy Aberdeen, ID
    Feb. 21, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    I agree 100% with three11stu. As long as Josh Powell was out roaming around there was nothing that could have protected those boys from him. If he was going to die he was going to make sure that they died with him no matter how many people he killed in the process. He was a planner just waiting for the right situation.

    I believe that is how his killed Susan as well. I honestly believe that he dug a grave months ahead of time and was just waiting for a big snow storm to come because he knew that no one would be out where he was at in the middle of a blizzard and the snow/wind was going to cover any evidence of where he had been. That is why he left at midnight on a Sunday because the storm was the type of storm that he had been waiting for.

    I'm so sorry for the Coxes and all the pain that Josh has caused them and their family. I agree that if there is any way to learn some lessons from this we should do so, so that another family doesn't have to deal with the heartache that they have had to go through, but I'm not sure what that would be.

    I don't blame the police in WV either. They only had one shot to get it right. In hindsight it is easy to say they should have done this or should have done that, but they were doing everything that they could to try and find Susan so that they could get a conviction. Josh was able to work the system here, but I believe that he will get his just reward with God.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Feb. 21, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    I do think if he didn't have supervised visitation the Cox's may not be here either. If the kids were put in foster care in a neutral home those in those in the foster family would have been in danger. If they met at a mall again like before he secured the rental, I shudder to think the number of dead or injured. I'm surprised and relieved he locked out the social worker.

  • three11stu Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    @K: You mock, but that is exactly the type of thing the Cox's are looking to do. They are attempting to blame others besides Powell for what he did. As you say, you can't prevent every tragedy. This was non preventable. In the article, it says they wish that the visit happened at a supervised center. Had that been the case, there would have been a lot more people besides Powell and his kids that were killed.
    Is the system perfect? No. Just the same as every single agency out there isn't perfect. Nothing in this world is. But I would rather have the error favor the parents than the government any day.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 21, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    I feel sorry for anyone in the "system," particularly the kids. My experience with it, (not in UT) not in a personal situation, but through an acquaintance was infuriating. I've heard CWS workers--the social workers--don't get paid very much. I don't know if that is part of the problem, but I've seen incompetence on the part of court-appointed attorneys and inadequate "due diligence" and supervision from social workers. Kids that experience dysfunctional, unstable and abusive situations can then end up damaged adults who have trouble navigating their way through life.

    I don't know what the answer is.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Feb. 21, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    Lots of people call DCFS. You would want your children taken into foster care cause a neighbor ticked at you called them and said your kids were not properly dressed for winter in a coat? The damage of removing kids is a cause of attachment disorder.

    There was no evidence that he was going to do mortal harm to them or himself. Maybe if those getting bizarre emails from him called sooner? Families have a right to stay together unless someone can show reason. They couldn't pin the murder on him or that a murder took place. And due process is required. After all allegations were made against the Cox family as well. Remove every child where someone calls on them for 6 months give them no contact? Cruel to do to kids. Would you have wanted the boys moved again not to see the grandparents again for 6 months? They did the report and removal wasn't necessary. Where would all these kids go?

    You can't prevent every tragedy.

    I think the biggest way to have protected everyone of this whole thing would have been to remove Josh and his siblings away from their dad.

  • three11stu Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    Here is an idea: Any time that any case gets referred to CPS, whether true or not, the state will mandatory remove those children, and place them in foster care (where the foster parents have to take classes to make sure they are good parents). After the children get removed, there is a 6 month probationary time where the parents ARE NOT allowed any type of visitation, just in case they might go off and do something like Josh Powell did. During this probationary time, the parents need to prove to the state that they are not bad parents, but that they are good parents. The state should not be required to prove anything, as they are only thinking in the best interest of the children. Then, after their 6 months is up, supervised visitation at the DCFS office will occur for another 6 months until everybody is 100 percent sure that nothing bad will happen to the children.
    For those where maybe there is a false allegation, or the allegation is blown out of proportion, sorry, but we want to be totally sure that you are not a crazy sicko that will act like Josh Powell did.

  • SundanceKid27 OREM, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    Their hearts are in the right direction but the regulations that the cox and others are seeking are going to make it harder to good people to see their kids. It is going to put more power in the hands of the government and state.

    Josh was unique in how he acted. He decided to do what he did and really there is nothing anyone could've done to prevent it.