New Utah revenue numbers 'disappointing'

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  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Feb. 22, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    The state legislature seems to be ignoring a promising source of savings and revenue. According to the Deseret News, the UU athletic department has received $6 million in subsidies over the last several years. However, instead of asking for less, they are actually asking for more!

    Why should Aggie, Wildcat, and Thunderbird fans subsidize the BCS, when the corrupt BCS system harms their teams? State legislature should remove all subsidies from schools in BCS conferences. Then, they should take half the money received from BCS conferences, and use that money to increase the salaries of schoolteachers to a competitive level.

    It is a winning proposition all the way around. Utah's education system improves, improper subsidies are removed, and the BCS system gets a black eye.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Schwa "Let this be a lesson to everyone about how a flat tax does not work."

    I think a flat tax does work and quite well. With a flat tax, government revenues rise and fall with the incomes of its citizens. When everyone is earning more, the government gets more, and when the economy is bad, government has to do what everyone else does, tighten its belt.

    With a flat tax, if government wants more money it has to find ways to make everyone more prosperous, not pit one economic class against another in hopes of extracting huge amounts of taxes out of the rich.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 6:15 a.m.

    @Schwa, no, not every resident of the state is entailed to free education if you bother to read the state constitution. Education is an entitlement in k1-k12 education, regulated by citizenship of parents, not their children or occupational status. Free education is not a right of occupation or constitution, it is a privilege of U.S. parental citizenship and paying state taxes.

    Consequently, every tax payer in the state is forced by this assumption by our legislators that illegal foreign occupation authorizes entitlements costing billions of dollars a year for this misrepresentation of the truth and facts of our rights.

    Borrowing money to balance a budget and depending on government blackmail money does not qualify as responsible government balancing its budget.

    Utah government has been in denial and deceptive because we are a living depression where inflation is our economic growth. If it wasn't for inflation government wouldn't grow, that's why government try's to maintain a high level of inflation. When inflation stops, unregulated government growth stops, and requires increased taxation, either from property or sales taxes to maintain its deception for criminal fraud and spending.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 4:19 p.m.


    "Americans living on a fixed income learn how to live within their means. Is there some reason why government shouldn't be expected to do the same?"

    Your comment has very little to do with my point, which was that Utah's flat tax is regressive and hampering the state's coffers. As to the State of Utah living within its means, I submit to you that the state is constitutionally required to balance its budget. So they live within their means, and always have. The complaint is that because of their poor decisions about how to generate revenue, their means are lower than they probably should be. This hinders their ability to fulfill their other constitutionally mandated obligations such as provide a free education to every resident of the state.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    I honestly fail to see how this is bad news. If the government has enough money to fund the already overblown budget, and then actually has a few million extra, then that means they haven't confiscated more from us. It also means they can't spend a bunch more.

    Frankly this is great news.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    What is the current budget figure for the State of Utah? Currently, Arizona's legislature has downsized Governor Brewer's proposed budget by more than $100 million to $8.66 billion. How can the State of Utah have a budget of over $12 billion with far fewer people living in the state? Something is wrong here. We are spending far too much money in state government.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    Re: Schwa | 2:12 p.m. Feb. 21, 2012
    "Let this be a lesson to everyone about how a flat tax does not work."

    Americans living on a fixed income learn how to live within their means. Is there some reason why government shouldn't be expected to do the same?

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    @Rifleman - California is already bankrupt. The state has been using furloughs and IOU's for years now. While UT's revenue may not be up, at least we're not as bad off as they are.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    Utah's revenues are flat and disappointing, much like the income tax structure. Let this be a lesson to everyone about how a flat tax does not work.

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Awww... no pet projects this year again, boys.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    Why do we need a pay increase for higher education? Any pay increases should go to our teachers at the elementary through high school levels or police and firefighters.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    Imagine that--the state's revenue reflects a similar holding pattern that many of us are experiencing right now.

    Utah congressfolk may have to cut back on the spending ideas they have been dreaming about this year.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    The State of Utah needs to be very careful with budget increase estimate forecasts. The economy is very unstable. Spending should be kept at very low modest levels in terms of increases. We can consider ourselves very fortunate in the face of national and international conditions. More rainy day funds should be considered and not the temptation to spend every penney. Be prudent.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    At least Utah's revenue numbers are flat. It could be worse.

    To no ones surprise California's 2011 budget was built on bogus numbers. They were looking at a cumulative shortfall of $705.5 million for just the first three months of the fiscal year.

    Sooner or later California is going to do what Greece is doing and go bankrupt.