Trump talk with Russians 'wholly appropriate,' adviser says

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  • hahnenbergerwk salt lake city, UT
    May 17, 2017 6:05 a.m.

    Chris B you are out of the loop. If you watched McMaster he said he couldn't tell the press what Trump revealed because it would jeopardize National Security. Get your facts right.

  • cougar engineer Alpine, UT
    May 17, 2017 2:26 a.m.

    We have certainly experienced acts of Treason This week, with willful participation by our "mainstream" media. Those treasonous acts were not done by President Trump. Except for his annoying tweets, I believe he has acted admirably. After spending 40 years working under SECRET and TOP SECRET security clearances, I am appauled by the number of leaks of classified information knowingly accepted by the WAPO and New York Times. These "anonimous" individuals seem to feel that the evilness of President Trump(in their opinion) excuses their commission of criminal activity. The liberal justification is strangely remeniscant of the communist party ideal of "the end justifies the means"

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2017 6:36 p.m.

    @patriot
    What's laughable is you thought when Obama went golfing it was an impeachable offense. but when Trump shares classified information with the Russians and attempts to obstruct an FBI investigation then fires the head of the FBI when it doesn't end is alright.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 16, 2017 5:40 p.m.

    Now we learn of a memo by Comey in which he tells of being pressured by Donald to go easy on the investigation of Flynn.

    Donald had better hope there are no tapes of that dinner.

    And if Congress ever finds the gumption to subpoena those tapes, it will be very interesting to see how much has been erased from them.

    Do I smell something Nixonian here?

    Donald's surrogates are falling over themselves trying to somehow justify and support his craziness. I pity them.

    We are going to find out soon exactly who the REAL patriots are and who are not.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    May 16, 2017 5:28 p.m.

    @ GingerMarshall

    Your comment is undermined by the very article to which you attached it. Bradley-Chelsea Manning was convicted of more than 20 crimes including aiding the enemy which could have carried the death penalty. And to you that is comparable to a fake news story based on unidentified sources that has already been debunked by a trusted real person who was in the meeting?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    May 16, 2017 4:37 p.m.

    Notice people who demanded Chelsea Manning be executed for leaking SECRET//NOFORN information are now willing to give Trump a pass for giving TS/SCI (much more highly classified) information directly to the Russian ambassador?

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    May 16, 2017 4:17 p.m.

    patriot -

    "the hysteria and frenzy from the Democrats has gone from laughable to now nauseating".

    One dares using terms such as "laughable" and "nauseating" when they continue enabling their supreme leader and his treason? Get an inkling of a clue!

    "These same Democrats set silent as Hillary Clinton kept a private unsecure server in a bathroom loaded with top secret classified intel that we also know the Russians hacked".

    Deflection and the continued posting of non factual information only further proves a gross disconnect from reality and factual information.

    " It is insulting to the average citizen and it is a complete fraudulant effort".

    Attempting to defend treason and the embarrassment currently occupying the White House specifically is what's insulting to the average citizen. Step foot outside Utah. Better yet, outside the bubble of Cedar Hills!

    "just ignore their barking and howling and move on with tax reform and healthcare repeal".

    I'll ask once again. Are individuals such as myself which pay high six figure income taxes yearly in need of more cuts? Possibly understand the subject matter prior to posting and offering unwavering support to your supreme leader!

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 4:02 p.m.

    For those ignoring the incompetence and corrupt nature of this President and administration, you have to ask yourself one question:

    Do I love my country more than I hate liberals?

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 16, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    Actually it is funny to read the over the top criticism of Trump by some of the folks commenting here. Obviously, there are a dozen or so very left-wing folks who go to the wall daily about Trump and his failings. . . Life just isn't the same, after Hillary lost to the buffoon last November, for some people. Deep breathing into paper bags should help.

    Trump from time to time does some spectacularly stupid things (as did his predecessor), but like Obama, he is not a traitor, he is not figuratively in bed with the Russians, and he is doing many good things for our country.

    The left - Democrats, and those protesting - are doing the country a disservice by making the entire federal bureaucracy ineffective. Allowing elected politicians to govern is reasonable; trying to defeat them next time around is the honorable path to take. Actions do have consequences and for you folks on the left, sometimes they are unexpected and may be not at all what you desired.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 16, 2017 3:38 p.m.

    the hysteria and frenzy from the Democrats has gone from laughable to now nauseating. These same Democrats set silent as Hillary Clinton --then sec of state -- kept a private unsecure server in a bathroom loaded with top secret classified intel that we also know the Russians hacked. Yes no problem here folks ...nothing to see. This whole Democrat party has turned into an insulting sham of a party. It is insulting to the average citizen and it is a complete fraudulant effort. The Trump administration and GOP in congress need to just ignore these pranksters -- honestly just ignore their barking and howling and move on with tax reform and healthcare repeal. Good gravy this is just silly time.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 16, 2017 3:33 p.m.

    "While our enemies are threatening to destroy the United States politicians here at home are doing their very best to weaken our president. It all has to do with power and greed."

    How about if we edit this to make it accurate?

    "While our enemies are threatening to destroy the United States our President is doing his very best to weaken our nation. It all has to do with power and greed."

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 16, 2017 3:26 p.m.

    People are wondering who inside the White Asylum is leaking this kind of information.

    The Donald claims to be wondering, too.

    But here's a possibility. Could it be The Donald Himself?

    With his insatiable thirst for publicity, might he be "leaking" in an attempt to stir up still more attention to himself?

    I've gotten to the point where absolutely nothing from him will surprise me.

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    May 16, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    @worf - McAllen, TX
    May 16, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    Trump is at a higher intelligence then many people. No wonder there's so much contention.

    ..............................

    Yes. It's his high intellect that's causes the contention. Like referring to Frederick Douglas in the present tense even though he died in 1895. Like complimenting Australia on their health system even though it's a socialist system. Like saying that Andrew Jackson would have been able to help the country avoid a civil war even though he was a slave holder. Yep there are plenty of examples of his "higher intelligence".

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    May 16, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    The impeachment clock just jumped ahead another hour! The daily embarrassing behavior from the White House continues. As a liberal and therefore a believer in factual, credible information I find it beyond repulsive that members from the extremist, non college educated, low information, faction still attempt defending the absolute utter disgrace some call "President". Unfortunately the extremist, low information crowd still attempt defending all matters regarding their supreme leader. Even going as far as defending the sharing of classified information! Could not imagine the outrage if President Obama was accused of this identical act/behavior. You all would be marching down State Street with loaded AR-15's. Furthermore. You should all be beyond ashamed! Country before political party rather the continued treasonous behavior expressed in the countless, mindless posts attempting to defend the indefensible. Wake up! Thank you. #countrybeforeparty!

  • Bob67 Glenn Dale, MD
    May 16, 2017 3:08 p.m.

    I wish President Trump could exhibit "wholly appropriate" intelligence rather than "holey appropriate", i.e. swiss cheese intelligence.

    At least the Russians are getting their info from an unreliable source.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 16, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    Trump is at a higher intelligence then many people. No wonder there's so much contention.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    @Harrison Bergeron
    "Did you believe the fake news when they said Hillary was going to win in a landslide? "

    National polling had her winning the popular vote by 3.4% (RCP final average of polling); she won by about 2%. If you shift every state -0.75% Trump and +0.75% Clinton (to symbolize the ~1.5% error) she'd have won WI MI PA and FL and won 307-231instead of losing 306-232, a margin which Trump repeatedly calls a landslide win for him.

    Personally, I'd argue that neither of those are landslides since they'd both be really close, but a 1.5pt error (it varied by state by that was the overall national polling error) is generally within the margin of error so the failure on the part of a lot of people was understating uncertainty (Nate Silver gave Trump a 29% chance of winning because of the uncertainty while other groups stupidly put his odds as low as 1%).

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:54 p.m.

    All of Trump's national security advisors (McMaster, Mad Dog, Tillerson, and Nikki Haley) seem very hawkish on Russia when it comes to their public statements at least.

    If you excuse for a moment Trump's alleged money-laundering with Russian oligarchs, and if you excuse the fact Carter Page, Manafort, Jared Kushner, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Jeff Sessions are all elbows deep in this Russia mess, that leaves only Trump as the pro-Russia person in the administration.

    What is the basis for Trump's very friendly Russia stance?

    Well he held a beauty contest in Moscow once and he had a great time there!

    What could possibly be more shallow than that?

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:08 p.m.

    @Chris B - St. Petersburg, RS

    "They're acting like the our national security has been compromised when Trump tells another foreign leader something that all news sites have been writing about for months and months. Come on libs, is your logic really that poor?"

    Oh, I see, so when Trump is bragging about how great his intel is what he is referring to is CNN, MSNBC, and Drudge?

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:05 p.m.

    @Daedalus, Stephen - ARVADA, CO

    "A perfect specimen of an effective non-denial denial by McMasters."

    Thank you for attempting to educate, but I fear many of the commenters on this board were lost when you said Venn diagram.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    @harrison bergeron

    "Did you believe the fake news when they said Hillary was going to win in a landslide? "

    Hillary has nothing to do with this. The media accurately relaying pre-election poll results and predictions have nothing to do with this. In fact, it's not really clear why you bring Hillary into this thread, other than as a deflection from the actual topic.

    Please feel free to refute any of the specific items I listed in my previous post. For fun, try not to invoke Obama or Clinton in those refutations, since neither of them is present, nor relevant in the current administration.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:33 p.m.

    @Rubydo;

    Trump trying to "keep America safe"? You make me laugh. He's only trying to turn the presidency into a Yuge money making effort.

  • David Centerville, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    Why might this event be true? Because Trump has a history of braggadacio. He has been careless in the past with sensitive information, and he often goes "off script". He has been characterized as unpredictable--which causes concern among some, but adoration among others.

    Why might this event be false news? Because there are many enemies of Trump. Certainly the Democrats and much of the media would love to weaken Trump's administration, or see him ousted through either impeachment of loss of Congress in 2 years, and loss of the White House in 4 years.

    Could administration explanations be accurate? Certainly. Could they simply be spin control? Certainly.

    What to do? How about share transcripts with select, bipartisan members of Congress?

    To have these dramatic episodes continue to play out in real life or simply in the press will certainly weaken America. If this episode of disclosure is true, it will clearly damage intel sharing among foreign governments.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    "Progressive Deseret News" Ha Ha Ha, whew, good one!

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    May 16, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    @ silo

    Did you believe the fake news when they said Hillary was going to win in a landslide?

    They are doing the same thing to you again. They have been exposed over and over again. If you continue to believe them, you have that right. But don't expect everyone else to do the same.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    May 16, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    A perfect specimen of an effective non-denial denial by McMasters.

    The Washington Post reported that Trump revealed "highly classified information". If mapping this with a Venn diagram, draw a large oval.

    McMasters supports his claim that the Washington Post story was false by only denying that Trump revealed "intelligence sources or methods" or "military operations that were not already publicly known".

    In the same Venn diagram, draw two smaller ovals within the large one. McMasters' denials fall within those two smaller ovals.

    Let's assume that McMasters is correct that Trump did not reveal highly classified information of the sort that fell inside the smaller ovals covering intelligence sources/methods and secret military operations. Color in those two smaller ovals.

    Now...see that white space between the outer bounds of the "highly classified info" oval and the smaller denial ovals?

    That is how and why McMasters cannot truthfully claim that the Washington Post story is false based solely on his denials of specifics that were not even mentioned in the Post story.

    Gullibility is not a virtue, but propagating lies is a tad worse.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 16, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    " . . . President Donald Trump's national security adviser insisted Tuesday that Trump's revelations to Russian officials about activities by the Islamic State group were "wholly appropriate" and amounted to a routine sharing of information. . . "
    ______________________________
    It is not "routine" to share information provided to the U.S. by an ally without their knowledge of it. This explanation is sheer disinformation from a White House in damage control mode.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    I'm not surprised that the progressive DN would pick this up and publish it even when it's proven false like with the Russian dossiers and stories of collusion. Some members of the press need to be put in jail for the way they are indiscriminately trying to destroy president Trump for trying to keep America safe.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    Donald Trump does a better job of keeping his personal TAXES secret,
    than he does about America's National Security Secrets!

    [Also, makes him a TRAITOR in my opinion.]

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    "The meeting alone was a huge error.
    Congress has to act!" Like when Obama told the same level of Russians he would make more concessions with Putin after the election.

    Meeting with foreign delegations is what the President does. Get a grip.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:26 a.m.

    @illuminated - KC, MO you opened a can of worms, now the liberals will tell us it was collusion between Trump and Rich, now a new cover-up.

    Liberals don't need much to fabricate their conspiracy theories, especially evidence. Isn't it amazing the liberals know so much about what went on in a closed door meeting?

  • silo Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:22 a.m.

    It's truly amazing the number of comments in this thread that are willing to deflect from or marginalize Trumps sequence of actions here.

    Trump has a secret meeting with Russian diplomats - nothing to see here..no issues.
    Trumps invites russian press, but excludes US press - nothing to see here...no issues
    Trump's secret meeting gets disclosed in Russian media - nothing to see here...no issues
    Trump exposes an intel asset to a non-friendly foreign government - nothing to see here...no issues
    Trump causes NSA and CIA to scramble to minimize the damage from the leak - nothing to see here...no issues
    Trump denies the blunder as fake news, then backtracks and admits to it claiming presidential privilege - nothing to see here...no issues

    I'm genuinely curious what it would take to make these apologists pause even a moment to contemplate Trump's repeated and obvious blunders.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    "Imagine if Hillary did that." Imagine if Obama did this. Oh wait he did, Podesta reviled the Dr, that enabled the assassination of Osama, he now sit in a Pakastani prison. Obama announced in world news it was Seal Team 6, making the members of the team targets.
    Obama in a hot mike moment told the Russians he would work with Putin after the election. Why are anti-Trumps so illogical when it comes to the blunders of their darlings. Oh and Hillary did do that, she exposed classified emails to staff and possible hackers on an unsecured server.

    And liberals in these posts tell us Hillary doesn't matter to move on then tout her as being something worth holding up over Trump. Really?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    Trump talk with Russians 'wholly appropriate,' adviser says

    ======

    Hillary Clinton had e-mails on a server,
    and for 8 YEARS these same very people defending Trump cried "Lock Her Up."

    Trump fires an FBI Director investigating him,
    meets the next day with Russians 'privately' in the Oval Office,
    and discloses "highly classified" intelligience,

    and the REPUBLICANS say it is nothing, look the other way, he did nothing wrong....blah, blah, blah...

    Can ANYONE with a lick of sanity and integrity,
    stone-faced say if Hillary Clinton was in Trump's situation --
    SHE would be innocent and go out of their way defending her also?

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    May 16, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    I heard Trump had two scoops of ice cream as well! Treasonous! Impeach him!

    This is laughable. Polls said nobody cared about the Comey firing "scandal" either. When will the liberal media realize that nobody believes anything they publish anymore? Fake News.

    The real scandal today is multiple federal investigators finding evidence that murdered DNC staffer, Seth Rich, leaked tens of thousands of emails to wikileaks just before he was mysteriously killed. There's your "Russian" leaker. Turns out it was an inside job from the DNC.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    May 16, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    dansimp: "The President is not disputing the truth of the Washington Post article."

    But H.R. McMaster did. He call the WaPo story false. He went on to characterize Trump's conversation with Lavrov as "wholly appropriate to that conversation" and "consistent with the routine sharing of information between the president and any leader with whom he's engaged."

    The Washington Post is a known fake news site. You should be suspicious of everything coming out of there.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    There is only one test....what if Hillary had done this?
    It is totally inappropriate and quite possibly treasonous. The meeting alone was a huge error.
    Congress has to act!

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    Imagine if Hillary did that.

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    May 16, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    Loose lips sink ships. I just came up with that one. Perhaps it should be posted all over the White House.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    While our enemies are threatening to destroy the United States politicians here at home are doing their very best to weaken our president. It all has to do with power and greed.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    May 16, 2017 10:13 a.m.

    Trump is uncontrolled and uncontrollable. He conducts "government business" at Mar-a-Lago. How long do you think it took for other intelligence agencies to plant workers in the "Southern White House". Trump's beautiful chocolate cake might have had a mike in it. Now he reveals classified information to Russian guests in the White House. No American reporter was allowed, but a Russian newsbie was. Did he plant a tiny bug in the furniture?

    It is time for Congress to appoint a special prosecutor and start to act on impeachment proceedings. It is time for Utah congressional representatives to help throw this guy out instead of toadying up to him. It is time for the GOP to get off the plutocratic Trump bandwagon and start doing actual work. Starting with Impeachment.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 16, 2017 10:03 a.m.

    What a week!

    First Donald Trump eats two scoops of ice creams, then talks with Russia concerning ISIS.

    Trump must have stepped on a mound with angry ants running in all directions.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    This is a White House in shambles. The Washington Post got it right.

    How many times has the media reported something, Trump trots out surrogates to deny the story, and then Trump confirms the story? When there is an urgent world problem where Trump needs to address the country, who in their right mind would ever believe Trump?

    Trump's willful distrust of the intelligence community will have lasting negative implications. He's all-knowing ... what a joke!

  • MBB Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:49 a.m.

    If what Trump shared was no big deal then why were the NSA and CIA immediately contacted afterwards? That is not usual protocol. I imagine Trump didn't mean to reveal too much but just couldn't help himself. The man kind of lets words spill out of his mouth without thinking about the repercussions.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 16, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    Yeah sure, lets share classified information with a long-time enemy - what could go wrong?

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Absolute right?

    Yes.

    What about the absolute responsibility?

    Sharing classified information with the Russians is the responsible thing to do?

    Welcome to trump world.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    Look! Look!!, There's Spicer walking toward the Cabinet Room, contact the AP.

    This article is trying to make something from nothing. The US supposedly has the same objective in the fight against IS in Syria, I see nothing wrong with sharing this kind of intelligence.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:15 a.m.

    Even the most ardent Trump supporters have got to see the pattern here. First, Trump does or says something really egregious. Things that damage our country. Then he denies he did it and labels it "fake news". Then, his staff scrambles for a cover story-many conflicting with each other. Then, Trump admits what he did (after the proof is irrefutable), but says "so what?". I did it for these reasons.....
    Face it. Trump is unstable and believes he can do no wrong. This is an extreme danger for our country. Wake up America.

  • dansimp Layton, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:15 a.m.

    It is very important to understand the facts here. The President is not disputing the truth of the Washington Post article. He is saying it happened and he gets to do it. So, rather than getting bogged down in a partisan fight over how much you trust the Washington Post, you have to ask yourself this: are you okay with the President sharing information with the Russians, so classified that it wasn't shared with allies.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    When every major media source has written articles about these same very specific threats and actions taken by ISIS, it is no longer a secret that the presidency should keep private.

    Or do some of these people angry at Trump really not think ISIS reads CNN, MSNBC, ABC news,.....

    They're acting like the our national security has been compromised when Trump tells another foreign leader something that all news sites have been writing about for months and months. Come on libs, is your logic really that poor?