Chris B you are out of the loop. If you watched McMaster he said he
couldn't tell the press what Trump revealed because it would jeopardize
National Security. Get your facts right.
We have certainly experienced acts of Treason This week, with willful
participation by our "mainstream" media. Those treasonous acts were not
done by President Trump. Except for his annoying tweets, I believe he has acted
admirably. After spending 40 years working under SECRET and TOP SECRET security
clearances, I am appauled by the number of leaks of classified information
knowingly accepted by the WAPO and New York Times. These "anonimous"
individuals seem to feel that the evilness of President Trump(in their opinion)
excuses their commission of criminal activity. The liberal justification is
strangely remeniscant of the communist party ideal of "the end justifies the
@patriot What's laughable is you thought when Obama went golfing it
was an impeachable offense. but when Trump shares classified information with
the Russians and attempts to obstruct an FBI investigation then fires the head
of the FBI when it doesn't end is alright.
Now we learn of a memo by Comey in which he tells of being pressured by Donald
to go easy on the investigation of Flynn.Donald had better hope
there are no tapes of that dinner.And if Congress ever finds the
gumption to subpoena those tapes, it will be very interesting to see how much
has been erased from them.Do I smell something Nixonian here? Donald's surrogates are falling over themselves trying to somehow
justify and support his craziness. I pity them. We are going to
find out soon exactly who the REAL patriots are and who are not.
@ GingerMarshallYour comment is undermined by the very article to
which you attached it. Bradley-Chelsea Manning was convicted of more than 20
crimes including aiding the enemy which could have carried the death penalty.
And to you that is comparable to a fake news story based on unidentified sources
that has already been debunked by a trusted real person who was in the meeting?
Notice people who demanded Chelsea Manning be executed for leaking
SECRET//NOFORN information are now willing to give Trump a pass for giving
TS/SCI (much more highly classified) information directly to the Russian
patriot - "the hysteria and frenzy from the Democrats has gone
from laughable to now nauseating".One dares using terms such as
"laughable" and "nauseating" when they continue enabling their
supreme leader and his treason? Get an inkling of a clue! "These
same Democrats set silent as Hillary Clinton kept a private unsecure server in a
bathroom loaded with top secret classified intel that we also know the Russians
hacked". Deflection and the continued posting of non factual
information only further proves a gross disconnect from reality and factual
information. " It is insulting to the average citizen and it is
a complete fraudulant effort".Attempting to defend treason and
the embarrassment currently occupying the White House specifically is
what's insulting to the average citizen. Step foot outside Utah. Better
yet, outside the bubble of Cedar Hills! "just ignore their
barking and howling and move on with tax reform and healthcare repeal". I'll ask once again. Are individuals such as myself which pay high
six figure income taxes yearly in need of more cuts? Possibly understand the
subject matter prior to posting and offering unwavering support to your supreme
For those ignoring the incompetence and corrupt nature of this President and
administration, you have to ask yourself one question:Do I love my
country more than I hate liberals?
Actually it is funny to read the over the top criticism of Trump by some of the
folks commenting here. Obviously, there are a dozen or so very left-wing folks
who go to the wall daily about Trump and his failings. . . Life just isn't
the same, after Hillary lost to the buffoon last November, for some people.
Deep breathing into paper bags should help.Trump from time to time
does some spectacularly stupid things (as did his predecessor), but like Obama,
he is not a traitor, he is not figuratively in bed with the Russians, and he is
doing many good things for our country. The left - Democrats, and
those protesting - are doing the country a disservice by making the entire
federal bureaucracy ineffective. Allowing elected politicians to govern is
reasonable; trying to defeat them next time around is the honorable path to
take. Actions do have consequences and for you folks on the left, sometimes
they are unexpected and may be not at all what you desired.
the hysteria and frenzy from the Democrats has gone from laughable to now
nauseating. These same Democrats set silent as Hillary Clinton --then sec of
state -- kept a private unsecure server in a bathroom loaded with top secret
classified intel that we also know the Russians hacked. Yes no problem here
folks ...nothing to see. This whole Democrat party has turned into an insulting
sham of a party. It is insulting to the average citizen and it is a complete
fraudulant effort. The Trump administration and GOP in congress need to just
ignore these pranksters -- honestly just ignore their barking and howling and
move on with tax reform and healthcare repeal. Good gravy this is just silly
"While our enemies are threatening to destroy the United States politicians
here at home are doing their very best to weaken our president. It all has to do
with power and greed."How about if we edit this to make it
accurate?"While our enemies are threatening to destroy the
United States our President is doing his very best to weaken our nation. It all
has to do with power and greed."
People are wondering who inside the White Asylum is leaking this kind of
information.The Donald claims to be wondering, too.But
here's a possibility. Could it be The Donald Himself?With his
insatiable thirst for publicity, might he be "leaking" in an attempt to
stir up still more attention to himself?I've gotten to the
point where absolutely nothing from him will surprise me.
@worf - McAllen, TXMay 16, 2017 2:02 p.m.Trump is at a higher
intelligence then many people. No wonder there's so much contention...............................Yes. It's his high
intellect that's causes the contention. Like referring to Frederick
Douglas in the present tense even though he died in 1895. Like complimenting
Australia on their health system even though it's a socialist system. Like
saying that Andrew Jackson would have been able to help the country avoid a
civil war even though he was a slave holder. Yep there are plenty of examples
of his "higher intelligence".
The impeachment clock just jumped ahead another hour! The daily embarrassing
behavior from the White House continues. As a liberal and therefore a believer
in factual, credible information I find it beyond repulsive that members from
the extremist, non college educated, low information, faction still attempt
defending the absolute utter disgrace some call "President".
Unfortunately the extremist, low information crowd still attempt defending all
matters regarding their supreme leader. Even going as far as defending the
sharing of classified information! Could not imagine the outrage if President
Obama was accused of this identical act/behavior. You all would be marching down
State Street with loaded AR-15's. Furthermore. You should all be beyond
ashamed! Country before political party rather the continued treasonous behavior
expressed in the countless, mindless posts attempting to defend the
indefensible. Wake up! Thank you. #countrybeforeparty!
I wish President Trump could exhibit "wholly appropriate" intelligence
rather than "holey appropriate", i.e. swiss cheese intelligence.At least the Russians are getting their info from an unreliable source.
Trump is at a higher intelligence then many people. No wonder there's so
@Harrison Bergeron"Did you believe the fake news when they said
Hillary was going to win in a landslide? "National polling had
her winning the popular vote by 3.4% (RCP final average of polling); she won by
about 2%. If you shift every state -0.75% Trump and +0.75% Clinton (to symbolize
the ~1.5% error) she'd have won WI MI PA and FL and won 307-231instead of
losing 306-232, a margin which Trump repeatedly calls a landslide win for
him.Personally, I'd argue that neither of those are landslides
since they'd both be really close, but a 1.5pt error (it varied by state by
that was the overall national polling error) is generally within the margin of
error so the failure on the part of a lot of people was understating uncertainty
(Nate Silver gave Trump a 29% chance of winning because of the uncertainty while
other groups stupidly put his odds as low as 1%).
All of Trump's national security advisors (McMaster, Mad Dog, Tillerson,
and Nikki Haley) seem very hawkish on Russia when it comes to their public
statements at least.If you excuse for a moment Trump's alleged
money-laundering with Russian oligarchs, and if you excuse the fact Carter Page,
Manafort, Jared Kushner, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Jeff Sessions are all
elbows deep in this Russia mess, that leaves only Trump as the pro-Russia person
in the administration.What is the basis for Trump's very
friendly Russia stance? Well he held a beauty contest in Moscow once
and he had a great time there!What could possibly be more shallow
@Chris B - St. Petersburg, RS"They're acting like the our
national security has been compromised when Trump tells another foreign leader
something that all news sites have been writing about for months and months.
Come on libs, is your logic really that poor?"Oh, I see, so when
Trump is bragging about how great his intel is what he is referring to is CNN,
MSNBC, and Drudge?
@Daedalus, Stephen - ARVADA, CO"A perfect specimen of an
effective non-denial denial by McMasters."Thank you for
attempting to educate, but I fear many of the commenters on this board were lost
when you said Venn diagram.
@harrison bergeron"Did you believe the fake news when they said
Hillary was going to win in a landslide? "Hillary has nothing to
do with this. The media accurately relaying pre-election poll results and
predictions have nothing to do with this. In fact, it's not really clear
why you bring Hillary into this thread, other than as a deflection from the
actual topic.Please feel free to refute any of the specific items I
listed in my previous post. For fun, try not to invoke Obama or Clinton in
those refutations, since neither of them is present, nor relevant in the current
@Rubydo;Trump trying to "keep America safe"? You make me
laugh. He's only trying to turn the presidency into a Yuge money making
Why might this event be true? Because Trump has a history of braggadacio. He
has been careless in the past with sensitive information, and he often goes
"off script". He has been characterized as unpredictable--which causes
concern among some, but adoration among others.Why might this event
be false news? Because there are many enemies of Trump. Certainly the
Democrats and much of the media would love to weaken Trump's
administration, or see him ousted through either impeachment of loss of Congress
in 2 years, and loss of the White House in 4 years.Could
administration explanations be accurate? Certainly. Could they simply be spin
control? Certainly.What to do? How about share transcripts with
select, bipartisan members of Congress? To have these dramatic
episodes continue to play out in real life or simply in the press will certainly
weaken America. If this episode of disclosure is true, it will clearly damage
intel sharing among foreign governments.
"Progressive Deseret News" Ha Ha Ha, whew, good one!
@ siloDid you believe the fake news when they said Hillary was going
to win in a landslide? They are doing the same thing to you again.
They have been exposed over and over again. If you continue to believe them, you
have that right. But don't expect everyone else to do the same.
A perfect specimen of an effective non-denial denial by McMasters.The Washington Post reported that Trump revealed "highly classified
information". If mapping this with a Venn diagram, draw a large oval.McMasters supports his claim that the Washington Post story was false by
only denying that Trump revealed "intelligence sources or methods" or
"military operations that were not already publicly known". In the same Venn diagram, draw two smaller ovals within the large one.
McMasters' denials fall within those two smaller ovals.Let's assume that McMasters is correct that Trump did not reveal highly
classified information of the sort that fell inside the smaller ovals covering
intelligence sources/methods and secret military operations. Color in those two
smaller ovals.Now...see that white space between the outer bounds of
the "highly classified info" oval and the smaller denial ovals?That is how and why McMasters cannot truthfully claim that the Washington Post
story is false based solely on his denials of specifics that were not even
mentioned in the Post story.Gullibility is not a virtue, but
propagating lies is a tad worse.
" . . . President Donald Trump's national security adviser insisted
Tuesday that Trump's revelations to Russian officials about activities by
the Islamic State group were "wholly appropriate" and amounted to a
routine sharing of information. . . "______________________________It is not "routine" to share information provided to the U.S. by an
ally without their knowledge of it. This explanation is sheer disinformation
from a White House in damage control mode.
I'm not surprised that the progressive DN would pick this up and publish it
even when it's proven false like with the Russian dossiers and stories of
collusion. Some members of the press need to be put in jail for the way they are
indiscriminately trying to destroy president Trump for trying to keep America
Donald Trump does a better job of keeping his personal TAXES secret, than
he does about America's National Security Secrets![Also, makes
him a TRAITOR in my opinion.]
"The meeting alone was a huge error.Congress has to act!" Like
when Obama told the same level of Russians he would make more concessions with
Putin after the election. Meeting with foreign delegations is what
the President does. Get a grip.
@illuminated - KC, MO you opened a can of worms, now the liberals will tell us
it was collusion between Trump and Rich, now a new cover-up. Liberals don't need much to fabricate their conspiracy theories,
especially evidence. Isn't it amazing the liberals know so much about what
went on in a closed door meeting?
It's truly amazing the number of comments in this thread that are willing
to deflect from or marginalize Trumps sequence of actions here.Trump
has a secret meeting with Russian diplomats - nothing to see here..no issues.Trumps invites russian press, but excludes US press - nothing to see here...no
issuesTrump's secret meeting gets disclosed in Russian media -
nothing to see here...no issuesTrump exposes an intel asset to a
non-friendly foreign government - nothing to see here...no issuesTrump
causes NSA and CIA to scramble to minimize the damage from the leak - nothing to
see here...no issuesTrump denies the blunder as fake news, then backtracks
and admits to it claiming presidential privilege - nothing to see here...no
issues I'm genuinely curious what it would take to make these
apologists pause even a moment to contemplate Trump's repeated and obvious
"Imagine if Hillary did that." Imagine if Obama did this. Oh wait he
did, Podesta reviled the Dr, that enabled the assassination of Osama, he now
sit in a Pakastani prison. Obama announced in world news it was Seal Team 6,
making the members of the team targets.Obama in a hot mike moment told the
Russians he would work with Putin after the election. Why are anti-Trumps so
illogical when it comes to the blunders of their darlings. Oh and Hillary did
do that, she exposed classified emails to staff and possible hackers on an
unsecured server. And liberals in these posts tell us Hillary
doesn't matter to move on then tout her as being something worth holding up
over Trump. Really?
Trump talk with Russians 'wholly appropriate,' adviser says====== Hillary Clinton had e-mails on a server, and for 8
YEARS these same very people defending Trump cried "Lock Her Up."Trump fires an FBI Director investigating him, meets the next day
with Russians 'privately' in the Oval Office, and discloses
"highly classified" intelligience, and the REPUBLICANS say
it is nothing, look the other way, he did nothing wrong....blah, blah,
blah...Can ANYONE with a lick of sanity and integrity, stone-faced say if Hillary Clinton was in Trump's situation -- SHE
would be innocent and go out of their way defending her also?
I heard Trump had two scoops of ice cream as well! Treasonous! Impeach him!This is laughable. Polls said nobody cared about the Comey firing
"scandal" either. When will the liberal media realize that nobody
believes anything they publish anymore? Fake News.The real scandal
today is multiple federal investigators finding evidence that murdered DNC
staffer, Seth Rich, leaked tens of thousands of emails to wikileaks just before
he was mysteriously killed. There's your "Russian" leaker. Turns
out it was an inside job from the DNC.
dansimp: "The President is not disputing the truth of the Washington Post
article."But H.R. McMaster did. He call the WaPo story false. He
went on to characterize Trump's conversation with Lavrov as "wholly
appropriate to that conversation" and "consistent with the routine
sharing of information between the president and any leader with whom he's
engaged."The Washington Post is a known fake news site. You
should be suspicious of everything coming out of there.
There is only one test....what if Hillary had done this?It is totally
inappropriate and quite possibly treasonous. The meeting alone was a huge
error.Congress has to act!
Imagine if Hillary did that.
Loose lips sink ships. I just came up with that one. Perhaps it should be posted
all over the White House.
While our enemies are threatening to destroy the United States politicians here
at home are doing their very best to weaken our president. It all has to do
with power and greed.
Trump is uncontrolled and uncontrollable. He conducts "government
business" at Mar-a-Lago. How long do you think it took for other
intelligence agencies to plant workers in the "Southern White House".
Trump's beautiful chocolate cake might have had a mike in it. Now he
reveals classified information to Russian guests in the White House. No American
reporter was allowed, but a Russian newsbie was. Did he plant a tiny bug in the
furniture?It is time for Congress to appoint a special prosecutor
and start to act on impeachment proceedings. It is time for Utah congressional
representatives to help throw this guy out instead of toadying up to him. It is
time for the GOP to get off the plutocratic Trump bandwagon and start doing
actual work. Starting with Impeachment.
What a week! First Donald Trump eats two scoops of ice creams, then
talks with Russia concerning ISIS.Trump must have stepped on a mound
with angry ants running in all directions.
This is a White House in shambles. The Washington Post got it right. How many times has the media reported something, Trump trots out surrogates to
deny the story, and then Trump confirms the story? When there is an urgent world
problem where Trump needs to address the country, who in their right mind would
ever believe Trump? Trump's willful distrust of the
intelligence community will have lasting negative implications. He's
all-knowing ... what a joke!
If what Trump shared was no big deal then why were the NSA and CIA immediately
contacted afterwards? That is not usual protocol. I imagine Trump didn't
mean to reveal too much but just couldn't help himself. The man kind of
lets words spill out of his mouth without thinking about the repercussions.
Yeah sure, lets share classified information with a long-time enemy - what could
Absolute right?Yes.What about the absolute
responsibility?Sharing classified information with the Russians is
the responsible thing to do?Welcome to trump world.
Look! Look!!, There's Spicer walking toward the Cabinet Room, contact the
AP.This article is trying to make something from nothing. The US
supposedly has the same objective in the fight against IS in Syria, I see
nothing wrong with sharing this kind of intelligence.
Even the most ardent Trump supporters have got to see the pattern here. First,
Trump does or says something really egregious. Things that damage our country.
Then he denies he did it and labels it "fake news". Then, his staff
scrambles for a cover story-many conflicting with each other. Then, Trump admits
what he did (after the proof is irrefutable), but says "so what?". I did
it for these reasons.....Face it. Trump is unstable and believes he can do
no wrong. This is an extreme danger for our country. Wake up America.
It is very important to understand the facts here. The President is not
disputing the truth of the Washington Post article. He is saying it happened
and he gets to do it. So, rather than getting bogged down in a partisan fight
over how much you trust the Washington Post, you have to ask yourself this: are
you okay with the President sharing information with the Russians, so classified
that it wasn't shared with allies.
When every major media source has written articles about these same very
specific threats and actions taken by ISIS, it is no longer a secret that the
presidency should keep private.Or do some of these people angry at
Trump really not think ISIS reads CNN, MSNBC, ABC news,.....They're acting like the our national security has been compromised when
Trump tells another foreign leader something that all news sites have been
writing about for months and months. Come on libs, is your logic really that