@thegullible, Michael Flynn would be stupid to not ask for immunity during the
staged faux attacks on the new administration, just as those called in on the
HRC hearings last year.The depth of corruption within all three
branches of government goes far and wide long and deep for decades. Anyone who
has to hang their hat on a party only does so to get elected, and will swing
both ways to get their results. Any of we the people that have to cling to a
party have their eyes wide shut! There are so many factions within each so
called party, that makes a functioning congress almost impossible.With the advancement of digital technology the ability to deceive is at an all
time high world wide. With the latest outing of the CIA software Marble, where
they can make it look as if another country is hacking their target instead of
the CIA, gives themadvantage. It seems that many of the 17 intelligence
agencies no longer work within the constrict of our government, but work as an
independent agency with their own agenda.So to believe the boy
crying wolf aka Democrats and left leaning media would be stretch. The wolf
will catch up with this whole debacle.
LOU Montana,Sorry! I don't make criminals of people finding
success, or being Republicans. I don't make criminals of all Democrats. $15 billion off the debt is a step in the right direction with along
way to go. Like the media, credit will never be given when a
positive is done.
@fight"It has been proven and the inteligence concurs there is
no evidence of tampering with voter machines and voter registration, therefore
there was nothing Russia did to put Trump in office other than the incompetence
and corruption of Hillary Clinton."Couple of things. -One
can certainly affect the election without "tampering with voter
machines". -Do you think that there is nothing damaging in the emails
of those in the RNC? Both parties have scandals and skeletons. The Russians
exposed DNC worts in an effort to sway the election.Bottom line.
Both sides are corrupt. Can you imagine if the Russians hacked and released
some of Trumps emails instead of that of the DNC? Think the election could have
gone the other way? I am guessing you would have been livid, and Chaffetz would
This initial drama and intrigue, was completely foreseeable, as is the slow,
tortured reckoning through which America must slog for the next 2-3 years as we
fully unwind this situation.Political junkies and apathetic
non-voters alike will be tempted to get caught up in the inside baseball minutia
and low-brow palace intrigue as the Trump administration unravels. But we must
not forget how and why America let this happen.The genius of our
governance system and the rule of law will guide us through yet one more
peaceful transfer of power, as embarassing and painful as it promises to be.
However this will take time and attention away from other known and unknown
needs. Thus America is entering another hazardous period of distracted
vulnerability, with the same weird uncertainties as we had in 1973-1975. Which
is why this self-inflicted wound is so frustrating, a predictable result of our
collective carelessness.I believe the American model will emerge
stronger. And that our enemies -- both foreign and domestic -- will be weaker
and increasingly marginalized. But the next few years will be tougher if we
lose sight of how and why we got here.
Worf, $15 billion off the debt?Gee! Did you consider the wealthy who
get that much off taxes every day and they make little to no contributions to
new jobs. Then they hide trillions in offshore accounts.YUP! GO
@Sportsfan123 "Both you and marxist are suggesting I have been influenced
by Russian propaganda ? Please feel free to expound on that assertion."OK, let me give an example from my own experience. I supported Bernie
Sanders against Hillary Clinton. On facebook there were many stories about
Clinton fixes in the various Democratic primaries which presumably destroyed
Sanders' chances. Some of them were true, but many more were utterly
false. They were stories invented by Russians, and I was taken in by them. I
will be more discerning next time - I hope.BTW, I still think the
Democrats made a catastrophic mistake not nominating Sanders. And yes, Clinton
is plenty dirty in her campaign tactics. But the Russian influence was crucial
in sinking her against Trump.
@gary blows"Once again you agree with Putin, you're taking
sides with our nations greatest geopolitical foe".Whats wrong,
gary, sportsfan points out the obvious and the only thing you can do is deflect
with ridicule. This is a typical leftist Saul Alinsky liberal response because
you have nothing else factual to say to disprove the facts.You said,
"our inteligence community concurs, Russia hacked the DNC for the purpose of
putting Republicans in office"Yes that is a fact, Russia hacked
the DNC. However all they did was expose the corruption of the Hillary campaign
which exposed John Padesta's scheme to hijack the DNC away from Bernie
Sanders, and collusion with community groups to create chaos at Trump
rallies.It has been proven and the inteligence concurs there is no
evidence of tampering with voter machines and voter registration, therefore
there was nothing Russia did to put Trump in office other than the incompetence
and corruption of Hillary Clinton.Infact I make you the same
challenge that sportsfan did, to admit Hillary is corrupt.As to
Russia being the #1 geopolitical foe - I offer this, per Obama, "the
80's called they want their foreign policy back".
Hmm? If Hillary had won the election:* nothing would be said of a
Trump collusion with Russia.* the national debt would not have shrunk by
fifteen billion dollars.* more Americans would be paying fines for not
affording health insurance.* an effort to increase our taxes would be in
full swing.* be likely in war with Russia.* more refugees to
populate, and reshape America.* Clinton Foundation would be prospering
rather than closing down.* Carrier Air conditioning would be in Mexico.
As a ship sinks the rats are the first to jump.
RE: “This is all propaganda my friend you'd be smart to realise its
not Russia”Once again, you agree with Putin. You’re
taking the side of our nation’s greatest geopolitical foe over America.
All of our nation’s intelligence agencies concur. Russia
ATTACKED us. They hacked the DNC for the purpose of putting Republicans in
office. They succeeded. This may be the worst attack on American soil ever . . .
Worse than 911 . . . Worse than Pearl Harbor. As the Russians realize, NOTHING
can hurt America like Republican leadership.Why do you discount our
intelligence agencies and instead support the Russians?
@gary O Both you and marxist are suggesting I have been influenced
by Russian propaganda ?Please feel free to expound on that
assertion.I get my propaganda from the MSM outlets, like CNN, FAUX,
MSNBC, 60 minutes....etc Are you both suggesting that our very own
propaganda machine aka the MSM is influenced by Russia?I dont get my
news from any other source, so between marxist and you making claims that Trump
won the election because of Russian influence please share the evidence because
the govt hasnt given us any. They have already stated there is no evidence of
voter fraud, voter machine fraud, etc.CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBS, CBS all
but crucified Trump in the news. Infact all left sided news outlets claimed that
Hillary was ahead in all of the major polls before the election, we now know
that wasnt true.Nunes is reporting Trump was infact electronically
surveilled by our intelegence community incidentally not intended to be
surveilled. Yet someone unmasked the names of the trump aides which is against
the law, and then illegaly leaked to the media, and you want to believe that was
coincidental. This is all propaganda my friend you'd be smart
to realise its not Russia
Hey Sportsfan -RE: "If you read my posts you can see that I dont
care for Trump much and really dislike Hillary. "Well . . . You
have probably been influenced by Russian propaganda and don't know it.Everything you say is in agreement with Russian propaganda. Do you
think that is just coincidental?RE: " You can see this govt is
in shambles neither party is functioning . . . "See? That is
exactly what the Russians want you to think. And you oblige them.Discerning citizens, on the other hand, think for themselves.
interesting. Flynn is trying to find a way get information out. Lois Lerner hid
behind the 5th. Tell me, libs, who is really more interesting in getting the
Oh, oh...A skunk in the carrot patch. Just wondering why our Utah Senators are
being very, very silent on this one.
@marxistWow, you said that" I have been conditioned by Russian
propaganda and dont know it".You said,"Hillary's
behavior pales in comparison to what Trump has done".You
said,"Trump would not have been elected without Russian support, which was a
masterpiece in media manipulation".You took the bait.....If you read my posts you can see that I dont care for Trump much and
really dislike Hillary. The point I was trying to make is that everyone is so
one sided, look at what is going on objectively without your own political bias.
You can see this govt is in shambles neither party is functioning, that is a
major fail for all citizens.Trump has never committed purjury like
Hillary, Trump has never left a US diplomat out to dry to get killed by
terrorist then make up a fictitious lie about a anti muslim video. Trump has not
exposed national security to Russian hackers by having an unprotected email
server, and so on and so on.....Not sure what news you listen too,
but CNN, MSNBC,NY TIMES, nothing but negative spew regarding Trump. Basically
Faux news is the only MSM outlet for tv had anything positive regarding Trump.
Your clames are baseless.Our MSM is all propaganda
He may need three types of immunity. One for his Russia Hat, One for his Turkey
agent hat, and one for his Red MAGA Hat.
Lock him up - lock him up - lock him up. Funny how what goes around comes
around. I think Mr Flynn will be eating prison food long before Ms Clinton.
@Sportsfan123 "Lets hear from anyone who is liberal, dem leftist admit that
Hillary is bad. "I think it likely you have been conditioned by
Russian propaganda and don't know it.
"While many debate the pro's, and con's of Democrats, &
Republicans, they don't see what's really going on."Worf,Exactly right. Both parties are taking us down the tubes.
They are just taking slightly different routes. If we would all just quit being
so enamored with our party and demand that our politicians do what is best for
America, things might change.Instead, we put party over country.
@Sportsfan123 "Lets hear from anyone who is liberal, dem leftist admit that
Hillary is bad. Anyone in govt of her stature that could be so reckless as to
put national security at risk by purposely ignoring the rules of govt and put
herself and others in danger by conducting govt business on a unprotected email
server I would not want her in a position of power."I am a
socialist so we would have lost with Clinton, and we have definitely lost with
Trump. But simple fact is, Hillary's behavior pales in comparison to Trump
&Co's dealings with a fascist power - Russia. Trump will
not last in office another 6 months. But then we will have to deal with Pence
and Ryan - we lose again.And for the record, Trump would not have
been elected without Russian support, which was a masterpiece of media
Lawyer Up time, especially if they follow the money form Russia.
They won't give him immunity unless he has something to give them in
return. I suspect he does, and it may not bode well for Mr. Trump.
Remember when the media just reported news?Today, it seems they rule
the country, and except Donald Trump, many politicians are merely their
puppets.While many debate the pro's, and con's of
Democrats, & Republicans, they don't see what's really going
on.Absolutely no reason for our country being twenty trillion in
debt, having poor education, arming the world with military weapons, or living
in poverty.Has Congress done anything positive in the past twenty
years? Three fourths of them have become millionaires while in office.How is our tax money being spent? Where does it go?Wake up
America! We're not a nation of beggars.
Know how gravity accelerates the velocity of an object...it picks up speed as it
falls? Such is this story.Word is now the bipartisan Senate
Intelligence Committee has rejected Flynn's proposal, at least for now,
before they hear from Sally Yates. Which means they may not need Flynn's
info as much as he desires protection from criminal prosecution. Remember, the Watergate break-in and then the cover-up and obstruction was
dealing with a single petty crime and could be contained among a relatively
small number of loyal, competent, and disciplined upper-level staff. The fact
they were all in cahoots and the original break-in was so obscure helped keep it
contained...thus the digging and digging and single well-placed source used by
Woodward and Bernstein.Here we are dealing with many events and
people, where there appear to be some high-placed folks who have clean hands,
and those that don't are clueless and bumbling enough not to even try to
cover their tracks, or those of their bosses. Trump may not last
through May.But the process may take years to fully unravel and
prosecute and make Watergate look like a picnic in the park.Thanks
As a republican and a conservative, I personally would not want someone capable
of commiting treasonous acts against this country in a postion of power. Trump
was right to have him removed from national security.Its sad that we
dont hear that coming from the left when it comes to Hillary Clinton.Lets hear from anyone who is liberal, dem leftist admit that Hillary is bad.
Anyone in govt of her stature that could be so reckless as to put national
security at risk by purposely ignoring the rules of govt and put herself and
others in danger by conducting govt business on a unprotected email server I
would not want her in a position of power.Lends to the question as
to why the American people selected Hillary and Trump as the top two candidates
for president.We selected a non-politician wealthy spoiled brat old
guy, and a corrupt career politician who was currently being investigated for
treason as our candidates, think on that for a minute folks. This is an
indictment on the american people, makes you wonder where our society is going
when we cant elect govt officials who actually have integrity and honesty in
their character.All of this is shameful to the founding fathers
Where there's smoke...there's fire.The same individual who
lead the lock her up chant... now needs immunity.The same individual
who suggested anyone who seeks immunity is obviously guilty... now seeks
immunity.This is the same individual who has been with trump from
the beginning.Birds of a feather flock together...Or...Birds of a feather...Lawyer up...The latter seems
to be the operational definition of trumps continuing reign of error.
Even with immunity, can we believe this Trumping guy?Flynn has NO
credibility with reasonable people.He is a renowned
"Conservative," isn't he?
During the election, Flynn condemned Hillary Clinton campaign aides for seeking
immunity during the probe into Clinton’s private email servers.“When you are given immunity, that means you’ve probably committed
a crime,” Flynn had said on NBC.
@ute fanYou say "make him testify under oath, and if he commits
perjury then lock him up". You weren't saying that when
Hillary lied before congress about her email scandal, that was infact perjury,
gives credence to the question asked of Director Comey as to why her testimony
before congress wasnt included in his investigation of her email scandal. There
is a level of hypocrisy and it definitely shows even at the level of the average
citizen based on your comments.If Flynn did something wrong, I guess
we will find out, and I would agree anyone seeking immunity would suggest a
measure of guilt. The fact the term used "unfair prosecution" would also
suggest this is a witch hunt. The house investigative commitee has
already expressed the fact that this investigation will not decide who sits in
the white house, but its about protecting our country from foreign powers. So
those of you who hate Trump dont get your hopes up that he will get
impeached.I think this is a case where Trump made bad choices in
selecting his staff.Nunes also has info that could be daming to our
very own inteligence community, seems there is wrong doing on both sides, soap
opera material, sad!
Trumps is probably readying (having someone write it for him) his resignation
speech. It's become obvious he has no interest in governing, he
just wanted to win, and the poorly educated handed him his "win" now he
just wants to do an "American Idol" style promotional tour, to feed his
ego. The failing Trump administration continues. Sad.
Didn't someone once suggest that he who seeks immunity is all but admitting
guilt? I think it was Michael Flynn who said it.
MDM66441 said: "...spoke on conditions of anonymity..." and I stop
reading. Let me help you out with your bias for propaganda...Mike Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security
adviser, has told the Federal Bureau of Investigation and congressional
officials investigating the Trump campaign’s potential ties to Russia that
he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for a grant of immunity from
prosecution, according to officials with knowledge of the matter.
This entire GOP regime stinks. It's filthy..floor-to-ceiling, wall-to-wall.
I wonder what story is he going to tell if they do give him immunity.
@Utah Blue Devil.You hit the nail on the head. Why would anybody being
investigated or testifying in the Russia-Trump-Surveillance-Election Hack Case,
Democrat or Republican not want immunity in today's hyper-polarized
political world? I'm not sure why you even feel the need to ask such a
question. Everyone in Washington and surroundings knows that there
is likely going to be a huge amount of politics as we continue through the
process, and hopefully a little bit of justice at the end of the process.But, since Washington, both Democrat, Republican, and especially the
mainstream media seem determined to make this the centerpiece of government
action for the next year or so, let's get everyone who has anything to do
with this on the record--Michael Flynn, Sally Yates, Evelyn Farkas, etc., etc.,
etc.Let the chips fall where they may. There is a segment of the
American people that care not one whit if this brings down Trump, Pence, Obama,
or Hillary. This segment is sick of all the silly games, and that is by and
large why they voted for Donald Trump.
"...spoke on conditions of anonymity..." and I stop reading. This
requires more trust in the media than I am willing to give right now. It has
been a very long time since I've seen it in DN, however, so I am concerned
that I may be losing my current primary news source.
Anyone remember Jason Chaffetz? My My he sure has been quiet in all of this.But, he has found a couple of things that give him concern.1- information was leaked. Nevermind about the information. Lets concentrate
on who leaked it.2- Chaffetz "said on Thursday that top White
House aide Kellyanne Conway’s promotion of Ivanka Trump’s clothing
line was “unacceptable” and “clearly over the line.” So, rest assured. Russia may be trying to affect our elections, and
high ranking US officials are overly cozy with them, but Chaffetz has bigger
fish to fry.
More reading on the subject this morning and you come across Flynn's own
quote that only guilty people need immunity. Interestingly prophetic I guess.
I will withhold judgement of what it is Flynn may need immunity from, but he
obviously has information that this is much broader than we know right now. I
have a hard time believe, even as much as I dislike Trump, that he willingly
collaborated with the Russian's, but I do see it as completely conceivable
that Trump or parts of his campaign were manipulated. We shall see
if we ever get the full story here. We never did with Iran-Contra. Unlikely
we learn more about this episode.
President Trump promised to drain the swamp, but he added invasive foreign
species.Like the Russian banking toads, and other exotic creatures from
Russia, that didn't come with love for us.Fortunately, the
'gators are going to get him. The investigators!
I'm glad the FBI has kept on this because the Republican congress has been
absolutely useless. Wrong doing should be investigated whether it's
Hilary, President Trump or anyone else.
In 40 years, "Michael Flynn" is the name today's 7 year-olds will
still remember when the Trump presidency comes up in conversation the way
"John Dean" stuck with me for years after that odd summer vacation in
1974, when my parents and older brothers stayed glued to the TV in the hotel
watching the Watergate hearings. Halderman, Mitchell, Ehrlichman?
Sure...my parents remembered those names, much like folks reading
this won't forget the names Bannon, Kushner, and Preibus any time soon.But "Michael Flynn"..rolls off the lips, simple and easy,
perfect to stick in a youngster's mind, just like "John Dean" 40+
years ago.Flynn, like Dean, has his own style and manner, which we
will see again and again, as a star witness. Repeat performances in front of
Congress, magazine covers, memes, etc. But it was just a matter of
time. Early money was on Carter Page cutting the first deal, but Flynn has been
conspicuously missing from Fox News, so he is not a huge surprise.The news on Flynn does not signal the beginning of the end...rather just the
end of the beginning, of another sad and ugly chapter of US history authored by
Michael Flynn Jr denied these allegations of the media on his twitter account
not long ago.
In Soviet Amerika, swamp drains you!
Prosecutors say "first one on the bus gets the best seat..." And while Flynn may be first he certainly will not be alone on the bus. This has potential to be bigger than Watergate and Iran Contra combined,
and will undoubtedly include a wide net of corruption and sell-outs and
collaborators. The swamp will be drained by removing Trump, his
buddies, and much of the GOP. That will make America a pretty good
From the party that claims superior respect and knowledge of the Constitution,
we have this gem:"You have to keep in mind that (Nunes) works
for the president. He reports to the president" - Ted Yoho, Republican of
Florida. (Apparently his election as a Representative, and his chairmanship of
the House Intelligence committee in the *Legislative* branch of our government
are hobbies?)Reporter: "Doesn't he work for the people of
his district?" Yoho: "Actually, he works for both".Yikes!(I think Ted Yoho is extremely fortunate he's being
upstaged by much bigger, more powerful people making equally dumb - or dumber -
statements, and mistakes.)
Make him testify under oath and if he commits perjury, then LOCK HIM UP! The
hypocrisy that this regime is perpetrating is unbelievable. And the saddest
deal is the GOP is holding on to this dishonesty so they can continue to gut our
country for their benefit. The rich get the tax breaks and the poor lose their
insurance. This is unreal. Where is Lee, Hatch, Chaffetz, Love,
Bishop, Stewart and the other GOP "leaders" here in the state? Hiding?
Only one reason to give a suspect immunity. To name a bigger fish. Only one fish
bigger than Flynn was.
Today we saw a new phase in this circus: The White House (essentially)
revealing they've been monitoring the investigation, and will attempt to
modulate the message by releasing selective bits of evidence to the
Congressional Intelligence committee leaders....*after* the NY Times
named the two Intel officials within the White House staff that showed Rep.
Nunes the evidence that caused him to leave the WH grounds, then announce the
next day he had very "troubling" information that caused him to march
back up and show the White House.Remember when Obama directed a
"deep dive" into the Intel about Russian activities related to our
election? Then he directed the securing of the data, before he left office.This isn't close to being over, folks. The big
questions remaining are: 1) How far up does this go? and 2) How much
punishment Republicans are willing to absorb as this plays out.
No one asks for immunity without committing criminal acts. It seemed apparent at
the time of the Republican National Convention that any distinguished general
who leads a crowd in chanting "Lock her up!" in front of a national
audience must have some serious mental issues. If so, then maybe we should go
easy on him.But we're talking about treason here. We're
talking about outrageous ineptitude by Donald J. Trump. We're talking about
selling out and double dealing here. The Trump administration backed Flynn 100%
even after Sally Yates told them Flynn was susceptible to blackmail. Republicans
are in meltdown mode because Yates wants to testify under oath. The truth Yates
wants to impart has Trump and Bannon freaking out. Truth isn't their game
at all.Enough with blaming the media, Republicans. The media is
going to bring this entire gang down. You're going to hate that but we have
good reason to be thankful the media is doing their job.
If he did nothing wrong.... why would he be worried about this? It
wouldn't be that he saw how these same like committees treated the
Clintons, would it? Or does he really have something to hide. Why does he need