Health bill short of votes, GOP leaders look to Trump

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  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 21, 2017 5:28 a.m.

    Don't kid yourself... This is not Trump's plan... This is Ryan's plan and it is full of holes

    None of it will pass ... The media will try to pin it on Trump but Trump will pin it on Ryan and Trump will win

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    Under ACA congress had to purchase their insurance through the health exchanges.

    I wonder if congress will apply their healthcare law to themselves.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    March 17, 2017 9:12 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    March 17, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    "No way, will the media report anything positive of Trump."

    When Donald Trump does something positive, it will be reported in the media. However, if you want "feel good" reports on Trump, you always have 'Fox & Friends'. Also, you have his favorite "go to" news source, Breitbart to tell him what's going in his version of the world. And let's not forget InfoWars.

    So you have lots of choices for media reports that may meet your needs. But as far as the real world is concerned, The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and Los Angeles Times are doing exemplary work in investigation Trump's lies (OK, you can substitute "falsehoods" since he says he believes in his lies), reneging on his campaign promises with his rural supporters (particularly Trumpcare, a massive tax decrease for the wealthy couched in the guise of healthcare), and gutting social programs while adding significantly to the military budget for "big ticket" items like aircraft carriers, aircraft, and tanks.

    Perhaps you don't like reading about the chaos that epitomizes the Trump administration, but don't blame the media for that.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2017 7:41 p.m.

    I went to and downloaded the bill. I read it. You can too.

    The first dozen or so pages are amendments to other laws that already exist. Some refer to ACA, some to Social Security (particularly scary), and some I couldn't figure out what they would amend. Here is one example: " . . . amend Section 139(b)(2) of SSI to delete the word may following the semicolon that precedes the word operate and replace with shall. . . "

    There are about 1-1/2 pages dealing with --- get this --- a requirement that if you win more than a certain amount (I think it was $100,000) in the lottery or other game of chance, you will forfeit your health insurance under this law.

    It's not long. I challenge everyone reading this to download it and read it.

    It's virtually incomprehensible unless you are an attorney willing to spend a lot of hours in research. We need to rely on the Office of Management and Budget's interpretation. Let that guide us.

    And the OMB says it's not good.

    That's all I need to know. This bill needs to be dumped.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2017 7:30 p.m.

    "worf - McAllen, TX
    March 17, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    No way, will the media report anything positive of Trump."


    Wonder what might happen if Trump actually gave them something positive to report? Truth is so darned inconvenient, isn't it?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2017 7:27 p.m.

    Gee this attempt to push this through in a big hurry without discussion or input from anyone sure sounds just like what we've heard about how the awful horrible sneaky Dems shoved Obamacare down our throats.

    But this time it's okay because it's the Repubs and they can never do any wrong.


  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2017 6:12 p.m.

    Lets see no mandates, a cut in taxes all while allowing parents to keep their kids on the insurance until 26 and allowing pre-existing conditions to be allowed.

    Either the GOP has figured how to be Santa Claus or they do not understand the cost of insurance. I pick the latter.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    One of the problems for Republicans is that Obamacare is actually fairly close to things like Romneycare, the GOP alternative to Hillarycare in the 90s, and the Heritage Foundation plan in the mid 2000s.

    Another problem is that a lot of the pieces of Obamacare are pretty popular but keeping them around (insurances not being able to reject people for pre-existing conditions) are difficult (you can't do the pre-existing condition thing with having a mandate of some sort since people would be free riding without insurance till they needed it).

    And then there's the problem of them just kinda obviously not caring about poor people (their claims of universal "access" to health insurance is nonsense, it's like saying we have universal access to housing because anyone can buy a house... if they can afford it). The subsidies for the elderly and lower incomes are so much lower in the GOP plan than Obamacare that they'd be much worse off than they are currently and that's before we get to all the people thrown off of Medicaid when they pull that back who'd be even poorly people trying to get health insurance with these weaker subsidies.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 17, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    Use the Pelosi method.

    Just pass the bill first, and find out later what's in it.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    The tax cuts resulting from Trump's plan will help me personally.

    However, I'd rather have less money in my pocket and more insurance when me or my family have a rainy day!

    The GOP plan, which should have been ironed out over the last 7 years of complaining, is a pathetic 'knee jerk' attempt to show America they (the GOP) know best.

    Sad to think what 7 years of 'thinking, planning, and research' have produced. Perhaps they just spent 7 years collecting taxpayer funded paychecks without actually working. The party of "NO" has no real ideas of their own.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    If GOP leaders are "looking to Trump", they are just as lost as he is.
    Mitt Romney stated Trump was a "phony and a fraud" . Mitt Romney was right.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    March 17, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    Alternate Facts:

    Trump: Starting Day One - I will Repeal and Replace Obamacare.
    Every American will better, cheaper access to healthcare.
    It will be beautiful....


    Reality Facts:

    Trump had NO plan, ever! - Zero!, Zilch, Nadda. No idea what-so-ever.

    7 years - and the GOP had NO plan - Zero!, Zilch, Nadda, No idea what-so-ever.

    A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practising quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.

  • banliberals SLC, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:51 a.m.

    @the Unrepentant Can't the GOP Govern?

    Well the answer to that is, YES! ....and they are and will do everything they were elected to do and they have the votes to do it, because we elected a resounding more number of republicans than democrats to do the job!

    Can the democrats govern? NO! They are now the party of...... NO! ....and they wouldn't vote for the best healthcare plan in the world if the GOP comes up with the idea, because they do not want to see the GOP succeed!

    So all praise to Trump for tackling this Obamacare failure and for attempting to fix the broken healthcare system that was shoved down the throats of angry Americans voted on by the democrats behind closed doors before anyone even had a chance to read it! Pelosi said we have to sign it before we read it, today she says we have to read it before we sign.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 17, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    No way, will the media report anything positive of Trump.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 17, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    Good News America! Trumpcare is already working!

    It is reported today that a 1st Grade Teacher in Tennessee has an adult son and grandchild are already benefitting from Trumpcare. It seems the son was let go from his job and lost his insurance, which incidentally cost him over $500/month. Because he is unemployed with a dependent(s), he now has insurance that costs him less than $100/month. All due to the new President, the nice lady told the media.

    But Wait! Trumpcare has not even gotten a vote in the House. Could it be the teacher has things a bit confused?

    You bet, and so is the rest of working class America if they think any plan conjured up by either the Republican party or the President is going to help them when in crisis as this family obviously is. Trumpcare as presently planned would not give this family such a benefit, and probably cost them more than the employer provided (and employee contributed) plan, even with the miserly subsidy as proposed.

    Wake up America. Get real information on what the Republican plan will do or not do for you. Don't believe the hype.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    March 17, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    Listen to that Billy Bush tape again. This is a man who truly believes that he is the all-powerful figure--in some ways, similar to a god. He knows that not everybody agrees with him and his solution is to lay on the pressure, to force them to submit. [If that doesn't work, sue them or fire them].

    He talks a glib line--he's the bestest, he's going to come up with a health care plan that is wonderful, better, cheaper. Trump is not stupid; he knew that only Single Payer would cover everybody and still be cheaper. But he thinks of all the R legislators as his minions, who will do what he matter whether they like it or not. Just take what you want; you're the star; they HAVE to let you--or get fired.

    His idea of negotiation is not to compromise, let alone offer carrots--it's to threaten the other party. He calls the R's in Congress "his" people but he has little real power over them. He can't fire Susan Collins. Will he threaten to support her opponent in 2020? How? There is no way that he is going to spend his own money to get back at her.

    He has no idea how to act when he can't control his opponent

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 17, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    Given the Republicans have had 7 years to come up with a plan that they can all agree upon, and given that the Republicans control both Congress and the Senate, I don't see why they are having such difficulty. Add in that our new President promised us all a better plan for everyone that would cost us all less. This ought to be a slam dunk. Just what is the problem?

    Can't Republicans govern? The Republicans spoke with one voice when the Presidency was held by a Democrat, why the dissension now?

    If Republicans want to be treated as a serious governing body in our country, they ought to act like it.

  • IceCreamGhost Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2017 1:05 a.m.

    Congress is really out of touch if they think cutting health care to the working poor and elderly while cutting taxes for the tip top is a great idea. Unless you are making above 100k, healthcare is on the top of the worry list for most families these days.

    Denying people healthcare by pricing the people out of the market is bad for everyone. The working poor wont get the care they need, and will end up going to the emergency room for everything and not being able to pay the bill which in turn leads to premium increases that are paid by everyone else. I once got a bill from the hospital where my advil tablets cost $80 - and when I asked I was told I was subsidizing everyone else who didn't pay their bill.
    We all pay for it in the end, one way or another.

    I know that it is against conservative dogma, but if you want a system that uses lower GDP and covers everybody we will need to accept that universal coverage is a better system. Healthcare is not a normal market and not having it available to everyone hurts the economy. Let's catch up with the rest of the civilized world and let go of these ideologies that sound great in a novel but dont work in real life.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:28 p.m.

    Huge tax cuts for the wealthy, drastic medicaid cuts, and very modest "tax credits" that will result in 26million less insured.

    It maintains cadillac plans for the wealthy with no limits to the effectual tax write off since they never actually want the cadillac tax to kick in, still maintains the biggest net tax subsidy to corportate employees to the wealthies individuals by buying their health plans pre tax, but only offering the individual market paltry "tax credits" with firm limits.

    And the conservative GOP think its too generous that they may kill it? I'm glad they may torpedo it but seriously?

    Vote GOP if you feel the wealthy need thier tax bracket to go down form 23.8% to 20% for their passive dividend income, as a tradeoff for tossing millions off insurance. (personally, income should be counted as income. There is no great public good owning millions of verizon shares paying dividends to be rewarded such a low tax rate.)

    The GOPcare plan is expected to increase deductibles, not decrease them. "More choices" code for offering plans that don't cover basic care like maternity etc., not something that will be permited with their employer plans.