Hospitals worry about caring for newly uninsured in GOP plan

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  • IceCreamGhost Sandy, UT
    March 14, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    @Worf - so what you are saying is if you get sick it is your own fault.

    Way to blame the victim. Outside of smoking and a keeping an active lifestyle your health is a bit of a crapshoot. Who knows! Maybe you'll be next! It would change your tune right quick!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 14, 2017 5:40 a.m.

    @ worf

    You didn't answer my questions - unless you think "responsibility" answers it all? But this assumes what simply isn't true: that we're all born into the same circumstances, with equal genetic material and equal opportunity to make all the choices you deem responsible. That's a nice little fantasy world to live in, but it hardly reflects reality.

    There's also this reality: Just as we ultimately pay for those without insurance who seek care in our ERs, we also pay for those who DO have health insurance but don't live responsibly, thus require more care, thus push up our premiums. IOW, we're all connected, thus it behooves us to be responsible TO each other.

    So given this reality, what's the more responsible and moral approach: provide basic care for all that emphasizes prevention or a Darwinian approach that punishes children dealt a bad hand from birth? (This is where the anti-abortionist fails the moral case. Far too many are all about forcing the pregnancy to term, but are also all too willing to abandon the child to its circumstances thereafter.)

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 13, 2017 8:03 p.m.

    Most medical problems can be avoided with proper personal care.

    Many folks live healthy through their seventies, and eighties with a good diet, and excercise program.

    Avoid the carelessness.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2017 2:07 p.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "Never are mentioned the millions of formerly insured people who can no longer afford the higher premiums"
    " force their neighbors to pick up the tab for their "free/subsidized" healthcare! Why, it might make them appreciate their neighbors! No, probably not!"

    You're arguing that the subsidized exchange healthcare is both so expensive people can't afford it and so cheap people are basically moochers...

  • goodnight-goodluck S.L.C., UT
    March 13, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    Ahhh compassionate conservatism, an oxymoron of the first order. But if you do become ill please have the courtesy to die quickly and not become a burden on the rest of us.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    March 13, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    The new healthcare plan will be known as
    TrumpCare, RyanCare, RPC (RepublicanPartyCare), GOPCare and/or UCA(UnaffordableCareAct).

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    at long last... "ER visits have not lessened with the Obamacare law"

    The number of visits is not important. The point of the ACA was to get more of those visits paid for by insurance rather than by taxpayers.

    When Republicans repeal the individual mandate, there will be no incentive to buy insurance knowing that "free" healthcare is available at the emergency room.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 13, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    @Karen R,

    Being responsible? You can answer this:

    * get a skill, education, and good employment
    * stay away from smoking, drugs, drinking, and eating junk food
    * being frugal.
    * eat a healthy diet
    * electing honest leaders
    * for women,--avoid pregnancy until it becomes manageable, and affordable
    * proper decision making

    Sorry! But I don't believe in being punished for the actions of others, just like I don't think honer roll students should pay for the low grades of others.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 13, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    Wow, is this turning into a mess. It was going to be terrific, he told us so. It was going to be superior in every way.
    Now he won't even come near it, let alone put his name on it.
    After all these years of vowing vengeance and replacement of the ACA, all we can do is watch the republicans wreck it.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    March 13, 2017 8:47 a.m.

    Trump lied about his/GOP's terrific, bestest, affordable healthcare ever, and his sycophants defend him. Sad

    It would humorous if lives weren't in the balance.

    Apparently conservative care more about the unborn than the born, once your out, grab those boot straps, cause your on your own, unless you choose wealthy parent, if you choose a poor family then you should suffer for the sin of your parents, being financially challenged, it's a choice.

    In conservative America, you better hope your child is cute enough to entice customers at convenience store counters to "Save their Life."

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 13, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    Someone has said "formerly insured people who can no longer afford the higher premiums".

    Just who are these people? More people than ever are getting insurance now, be it through Medicaid, State/Federal marketplaces, Medicare or (for the vast, yuge majority) their employers. The rate of the uninsured has never been lower. It is irresponsible to make the above quoted claim.

    Secondly, when have insurance premiums ever gone down? Before and after Obamacare my individually paid insurance premiums always went up, and before Obamacare, to exteme uncomfortable amounts, with worse coverage, less of a provider network and higher deductibles.

    Lastly, does anybody know that the proposed Trumpcare/Ryancare law will excuse employers from having to provide insurance? Hang onto your hats, folks, its going to be a very bumpy ride.

    Sad

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 13, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    It's funny how Donald Trump has plastered his name over everything, including meat, but he doesn't want his name plastered over his health care plan. The guy who designed the Edsel probably felt the same way.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 13, 2017 7:15 a.m.

    GaryO - I believe the statistics demonstrate that the ER visits have not lessened with the Obamacare law, but have remained essentially the same or have gone up somewhat. Suggest you look straight ahead to see what is really happening, rather than just to the left. . .

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 13, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    @ worf

    "What ever happened to people being responsible for themselves?"

    Exactly how does being unable to afford healthcare necessarily equate to irresponsibility? Please explain.

    In addition to being responsible for ourselves, do you believe we are also responsible to each other? (Not for each other; TO each other. There's a difference.)

    Many conservatives claim a market-driven healthcare system is the answer. But if hospitals are required to render aid regardless of capacity to pay, the evidence shows we place them in a position where they can't compete. Is the solution to deny care to those who can't pay for it?

    People of a conservative bent often fixate on that small percentage who freeload off the system. They mistakenly think this applies to all who qualify for government assistance. But what about the children of the wealthy (like Donald Trump) who did nothing to earn what they have and often continue their family tradition of using every trick to avoid contributing tax money to the system? When are these freeloaders going to be targeted by conservatives too?

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2017 6:06 a.m.

    The GOP plan gives over 800 billion in tax cuts to the ultra rich, and at the same time can raise premiums based on age to seniors over 5 times what they are paying right now under The ACA. I see something really wrong with this. Is this what Jesus would do? Ignore those least able to take care of themselves? I support the AARP that sees this GOP plan for the fraud that it is.

    I guess in the new world of the GOP, Jesus would be having dinner at his Country Club while the poor and needy stand outside without any mention of sympathy.

    That in a nutshell is the GOP and it's hate the poor and needy with programs enriching themselves and the rich.

  • IceCreamGhost Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2017 2:30 a.m.

    I believe in capitalism but healthcare is not a normal economic market. You can't shop around for a heart surgeon if you are in the middle of a heart attack. You cant even call the hospital for an estimate - the fees are so complicated that there isn't even a set price.

    Poor people who dont have insurance will just wait and go to the emergency room and EVERYONE will pay for their unpaid medical bills through increased premiums.

    There is a cost effective health system out there: Single payer. Everyone pays taxes, everyone gets basic benefits - and you can buy supplementary insurance if you have special medical needs or want to see a private doctor.

    The US spends more than everyone else but gets less care. As a fiscal conservative this makes no sense to me.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 12, 2017 7:31 p.m.

    Emergency rooms will once again be packed with people needing health care, just as they were before Obamacare.

    We the people of the United States will be paying those immense emergency room bills, just as we did before Obamacare.

    Emergency care isn't even factored into the cost of this new Republican bill.

    But it should be, don't you think?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2017 5:06 p.m.

    worf - You complain by way of asking a lot of questions, but you don't suggest a solution.

    Simple question. There will be people who cannot pay for needed medical treatment -- what do you think should happen to those people?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 12, 2017 4:26 p.m.

    Never are mentioned the millions of formerly insured people who can no longer afford the higher premiums, the ever higher deductibles and fewer providers Obamacare forced upon us! By the way, wouldn't it be interesting if some people had to make sacrifices, like give up their iphones, beer and fast foods, so they to can afford their healthcare? Oh how terrible! Too much to ask the "poor" people to sacrifice something for their healthcare but never too much to force their neighbors to pick up the tab for their "free/subsidized" healthcare! Why, it might make them appreciate their neighbors! No, probably not!

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 12, 2017 4:09 p.m.

    Let's see. People will lose insurance that pays for hospital bills.

    Will People stop going to the hospital? Doubt it.

    Do most People without insurance have the wherewithall to pay for hospital bills out of the checking account? Doubt it.

    Will those tossed off Medicaid, lose their employer sponsored insurance or exchange plans not get sick and need hospital care? Again, Doubt it.

    Will accident victims without insurance with life threatening injuries not go the hospital because they can not afford it? And Again, Doubt it.

    Therefore, we are left with hospitals treating people with emergencies and life threatening conditions with no possible means of being paid for this care. By a law passed in 1985 and signed by St Ronald, hospitals must still render care.

    And guess who really pays for this? All of us in the form of higher fees (even non-profit hospitals have overhead).

    No wonder the largest Hospital Asso in the country, not to mention the AMA and AARP amongst others, hate this new plan.

    And I thought the President promised us something bigger, better and cheaper. What a laugh!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 12, 2017 3:37 p.m.

    One of the most likely ways hospitals will make up for revenue losses is by increasing the amount they charge privately insured patients.
    ====

    Great.

    Not only will millions loose coverage,
    but the REST of us will end up paying even MORE...

    Good plan Trump and the Republicans....not!

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 12, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    Should we rob our citizens of their money, and pay the medical coverage of others?

    What ever happened to people being responsible for themselves?

    Hmm? Should we punish honor roll students for their good grades?

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    March 12, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    The article says nothing about another group of people who used to go to the doctor because they could risk the $500 deductible.

    But now they are on the hook for $3,000 deductible and stay home instead, hoping they get better on their own.

    The Obamacare apologists never talk about that, do they?

    There are millions of people now who pay higher premiums than ever and all they have is, in essence, a major medical plan. So they have to decide how sick they are before they seek help.

    Thanks, Obama.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    March 12, 2017 2:33 p.m.

    Hospitals and all American citizens should be worried about large increases in the uninsured population if Paul Ryan and the GOP have their way and get HR 1313, "The Preserving Employee Wellness Programs Act". If passed, it will allow employers to force employees to submit their DNA for testing. Insurance companies will then be able to use all of that data to stop coverage or raise it to un-affordable rates for certain segments of the population. Our DNA is the most personal possession of all Americans and should not be allowed to keep us from health insurance.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    March 12, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    Yo Voters, how's that Trumpcare working for Ya?

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 12, 2017 10:54 a.m.

    So with the taxpayers, through the government, perhaps not paying the hospitals as much, they are prepared to get upset. Why not wait until a law is passed before getting upset. My guess is that we will know what is in the bill when it is passed, unlike Pelosi's comment about the Obamacare bill - "We have to pass it to know what's in it." We all realize that Obamacare is a massive failure which is fiscally unsustainable, ergo the changes we will see, in an attempt to make a sustainable program. Cui bono?