The SS was a branch of the German Military that dealt with internal domestic
defense.Is Trump going to use the National Guard units as his SS?
An avid enforcement of E-Verify and heavy fines coupled together with jail
sentences for people that hire illegal immigrants would eventually lead to mass
Self-Deportation of aforementioned illegal immigrants.Problem
TRUTH - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 17, 2017 10:09 a.m."Drudge
report is reporting this story as fake news ..."You cite Drudge?
And what does Alex Jones say on InfoWars? Breibart? Fox News?Do you
not read WaPo and NYTimes? What about the WSJ?Read the companion
story in the DesNews and see how Sean Spicer parses his words. Saying the
document is not from the White House does not address the source of the
document. Saying that the Trump administration is "making no effort" to
implement the plan does not address the question about the possibility of doing
so at a later date.At least you referenced your source as Drudge.
Many here refuse to say where they get their information. That was very good. I
can see your perspective has basis other than simple regurgitating what was
heard from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.Donald Trump made reference
early on about having a "deportation force" specifically to round up
undocumented immigrants and expel them from the country. It was a promise, like
his other promises to his base, that he wants to do. Since all undocumented
immigrants are "illegal" (criminal?), he's doing as he promised.
@JMHOThere is a vast difference between fake news and reporting based upon
on the available facts. The AP reported that the memo was written and addressed
to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S.
which means it was being considered within that department, which is true. The
article also clearly stated that the AP has been seeks comment from the head of
the department and the White House who had not responded to thier request. When
they did finally respond the AP updated the story to reflect thier response.
That is how real journalism is done.
Whether this plan is something that comes to fruition or not, what do you
suppose the optics of it would be like? Civilians being rounded up and captured
by people in military uniforms, maybe collected in Arpaio style camps pending
removal? This could be a trial balloon that got leaked or something.
Still, when you think about it, trump once said he figured we could remove 11 or
so million in two years. Over fifteen thousand a day, every day including
weekends and holidays, for two years. People from across the nation, many of
whom are not Mexican.There's no way it's not going to take some
Red Corvette - St George, UTFeb. 17, 2017 10:23 a.m."FAKE
NEWS"Sounds like you and Donald Trump are on the same page. Any
news story you don't like is "fake news"Now you need to
read the companion story: 'DHS weighed Nat Guard for immigration roundups
in 11 states including Utah'"A DHS official described the
document as a very early draft that was not seriously considered and never
brought to the secretary for approval.?So, you see, something is
going around. Maybe it's an early draft. Maybe it's a later draft. But
the question is, Does the White House have the draft and is considering it? And,
second, did the White House initiate a policy for DHS to work up?When asked, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the document was "not a
White House document." And, "There is no effort to do what is
potentially suggested," according to the story by the AP.What is
missing is that the document comes from DHS, not the White House, and "no
effort to do" is far different from being requested by the White House for a
proposal. Remember, Donald Trump doesn't like to reveal his hand before
playing his cards.
@TRUTHThe fact the head of the national guard first heard about it from
the news is hardly proof the story is not true or have you already forgotten
Trumps bungled up rollout of his immigration ban?
This is fake news because the updated article said it was an idea discussed by
low level staffers and never made it to anyone's desk."A DHS
official described the document as a very early draft that was not seriously
considered and never brought to the secretary for approval."Fake
news.Fake news.Fake news.In other news, a junior staffer
decided to change the water cooler bottle because it was empty.
Something to consider folks:If 11 million illegal people were
removed from the United States, just consider the consequences of all that
vacant rental property!!What a housing glut we would have. The
"landlord" community (business people who are generally republicans)
would be unhappy!!Cash flow or the lack of cash flow gets powerful
Too bad former political leaders haven't enforced the laws, and now Trump
has a mess to clean up.
Will concentration camps be next? This is a nascent fascist dictatorship.
Fake news? How so.? This is a proposal under discussion for a couple of weeks
in the new Trump administration.Will he do it? That is another
question indeed. I don't think he will, but the mere fact that our new
President would even consider such a notion shows just how off track he most
certainly is.A reasonable person knows that any such proposal is the
rantings of a crazy person.And a reasonable person can see that the
AP clearly identified it as a proposal and that clearly the new Administration
has not decided one way or the other. You right wingers, in your battle against
good reporting and truth, will jump your very own sharks.
D news editor need to careful filter AP releases. AP is rapidly losing
" . . . . Also dated Jan. 25, the draft memo says participating troops would
be authorized "to perform the functions of an immigration officer in
relation to the investigation, apprehension and detention of aliens in the
United States."______________________________The President may
not have Constitutional authority to do that. I hope there’s nothing to
this apparently leaked memo. If there is, I hate to contemplate what might be
The second article I've read in DN today and the second example of fake
news. Come on, do some journalism instead of just posting these lame fake
stories by AP. This is not going to happen.
Third try screen name - Mapleton, UTFeb. 17, 2017 9:08 a.m.". . . illegal aliens have already taken to the streets (yesterday, for
example) to protest Trump's supposed uptick in raids."Au
contraire, mon ami, those protesters are more likely American citizens making a
statement for family members and friends being targeted by the Trump
administration. If they were undocumented immigrants, the administration would
have an easy job just rounding up the whole group and isolating those it wants
to deport.However, this may be the biggest financial boondoggle the
Trump administration has engaged in since promising to build The Wall. Each of
the people who are taken will go through a hearing (I assume) where a
immigration lawyer will work to delay any action. This will be an expensive
venture foisted upon the American taxpayer.Where President Obama
went after criminals who posed a public threat, Donald Trump apparently is
targeting anyone since the argument goes, "if you're here illegally,
you are already a criminal." So Trump is chasing down over 12 million
"criminals".Now, I wonder how the Muslim database is
The national guard spokesman has stated ....the first they heard of this was
from the media,......more fake news from AP and thus DNEWS!
Sounds very Gestapo-like with the rounding up of the Jews. Remember the
Nazi's considered that the Jews were "illegal" in Germany. Now, it
is not good to bring in Nazi comparisons because this is not comparable. The
Nazi's sent the Jews to extermination camps while Trump appears to want the
National Guard to only round up undocumented immigrants and send them to
Mexico.Also, I wonder if this is a Latin-only action or is it
directed at all undocumented immigrants including those coming from Western
Europe? Whatever, it is in highly questionable if this type of action is legal.
And since it is the "report" stage, it has not been put into action
where, I sure, there would be a lawsuit immediately filed somewhere and ruled
unconstitutional by a federal judge.The Trump administration prefers
to work in private, avoiding even the people in various agencies who are
necessary to develop and/or tasked to implement the action. Since Trump appears
to believe that he is the CEO of TrumpUSA, it will be some time before he
recognizes that there are two other equal parts of government. Although Congress
is not challenging Trump, we still have the judiciary.
Drudge report is reporting this story as fake news ...AP jumped the
shark......and once again is caught with a credibility issue.....can we trust
anything the AP says?Afterall, they are an arm of the Democratic
Hank Jr - Deer Ridge, UTFeb. 17, 2017 9:44 a.m."Is this
another prime example of Fake News?"Is it, really? The
definition of "fake news", according to TrumpSpeak, is any news that
Donald Trump doesn't like. It doesn't mean that it is not true. Also,
the story is appearing in all the major news organizations, so don't just
blame the AP. It should be noted that the DesNews depends on the AP as a primary
source of national and international news. The other major news sources like the
WaPost and NYTimes have there own reporters.Just because the White
House denies a story doesn't make it true. We only have to look at the
Michael Flynn saga as only one example of a news story that was denied until it
was acknowledged.The Trump administration doesn't like reports
of what it is doing getting out to the public before it is ready to release that
information. It is consistent with Trump's inclination to "surprise
us", particularly with actions which might not meet with public approval.Trump supporters like everything Trump is doing. The will be very happy
having a "deportation force" rounding up undocumented immigrants.
Going around tearing families apart (no matter how undesirable they're
still families)I'm sure this isn't what they signed up for
when joining the National Guard. Carrying personal vendettas of the president
against those who can't defend themselves.I'm sure how you
sleep at night after a long hard day of "rounding them up"
Boy, the left-wing radicals are out in force trying to do anything they can to
stop the progress our President wants to initiate.The left-wing radicals
barely even blink when their presidents send in "stormtroopers" like
Clinton did with ruby ridge and elian gonzales or like obama does with his
immigration raids, supposedly "deporting" more illegals than anyone in
history, or his comments about having a national police force that is just as
well armed and funded as the military.Grow up people, you lost the
election, now get out of the way because real work is being done.
This will be white nationalist politics in action led by Steve Bannon. It will
be a White House in complete chaos sending chaos out into the streets.
According to the UK site Daily Mail the Trump administration DENIED it's
considering mobilizing up to 100,000 National Guard troops to round up illegal
aliens – but White House source says it 'has been discussed'.The Associated Press clearly Botched this story along with countless
others.Is this another prime example of Fake News?
@DN Subscriber is correct when saying we should wait and see and not rely on a
story by the AP. I don't think a Governor in the country would agree to
using the Nat. Guard for these purposes but once again, let's calm down and
wait to see what is actually proposed.
Will they do that goose step march as they walk down the streets of America?
America's Propaganda (AP) has a history of reporting fake news. The White
House has denied the report, but it may be Donald releasing fake news to find
out where the leaks are. Trump is smart, this would have been a very stupid
move.Just analyze the SS number of workers in America. SS numbers
issued to children and people now dead are suspect of possibly not being used by
its rightful owner. For example Barry Obama's SS number.
The article is riddled with historical inaccuracies. For example, the 287g
program goes back to 1996. GWB did NOT initiate it or even approve of it. The
program came to life because LOCAL communities needed some relief. Bush was
pro-amnesty.That said, illegal aliens have already taken to the
streets (yesterday, for example) to protest Trump's supposed uptick in
raids. I suppose if he's going to be blamed for it, he might as well follow
through.If I were here illegally I'd gather up my family and go
back home voluntarily. That would keep the family together and avoid the court
battle. After all, they ARE in the wrong and committing fraud every day they go
I wonder why trump just doesn't enforce e verify. That would solve most of
the immigration issues.
This is a story from Associated Press, well known for their anti-Trump
partisanship and having a horrible record for accuracy.Let's
withhold judgement on this allegation until further research is done.A "draft memo" could be just about anything, from anyone, for any
reason. Given some of the insider stuff leaked by disgruntled bureaucrats, this
could even be a total fabrication planted by a left over Obama staffer intended
to embarrass Trump.Call me if Trump actually sends out mobilization
orders, but until then, be skeptical, very skeptical.
Not alright. Let's set aside the very serious issues that come with
militarizing our immigration force, the lack of training to understand the laws
and restrictions on detention of individuals, civil rights issues etc etc. from
a purely logistical perspective what do you do with the thousands of people he
wants to round up? They still have the right to hearings before being deported
which takes time.
Sounds expensive.Not sure if this is worth the expense. Maybe the
Trump administration should look at what Obama did using the personnel already
in place. Obama deported more illegals than any previous President. Trump
should start by matching Obama's totals.More Trump rhetoric to
fool his base.
I wonder how he proposes to pay for it?
First it's the Mexicans.Next comes the press.Then it's the
Muslims.Then comes the Democrats.After that, anybody that's not
white & Republican.Then comes martial law.And the GOP will
support him- unless some off them get rounded up & kicked out.
I know that we need our borders to be secure. I want that. This president,
however, needs to stop and take a deep breath and think about his actions before
proceeding. He needs to stop running his mouth and stop tweeting because he is
in flaming the destructive rhetoric in the country. Americans need
to think about what this means for us. I'm picturing Storm Troopers
dragging people away. While that may not be true, where does this end for us as
a people? This president in four weeks has done a great deal of harm to us as a
nation and our reputation and to our security, more than any president I've
seen so far. Hes looking more like Richard Nixon all the time. He is taking us
down a dangerous and sad road. As Dallin H. Oaks asks in his talk, Where will it
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist."First, it was the National
Guard, then it was the National Police force.
I hope he does it! Illegal is illegal.