Trump weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups in 11 states including Utah

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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    The SS was a branch of the German Military that dealt with internal domestic defense.

    Is Trump going to use the National Guard units as his SS?

  • Hank Jr Deer Ridge, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 4:36 p.m.

    An avid enforcement of E-Verify and heavy fines coupled together with jail sentences for people that hire illegal immigrants would eventually lead to mass Self-Deportation of aforementioned illegal immigrants.

    Problem solved!

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    TRUTH - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    "Drudge report is reporting this story as fake news ..."

    You cite Drudge? And what does Alex Jones say on InfoWars? Breibart? Fox News?

    Do you not read WaPo and NYTimes? What about the WSJ?

    Read the companion story in the DesNews and see how Sean Spicer parses his words. Saying the document is not from the White House does not address the source of the document. Saying that the Trump administration is "making no effort" to implement the plan does not address the question about the possibility of doing so at a later date.

    At least you referenced your source as Drudge. Many here refuse to say where they get their information. That was very good. I can see your perspective has basis other than simple regurgitating what was heard from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

    Donald Trump made reference early on about having a "deportation force" specifically to round up undocumented immigrants and expel them from the country. It was a promise, like his other promises to his base, that he wants to do. Since all undocumented immigrants are "illegal" (criminal?), he's doing as he promised.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    @JMHO
    There is a vast difference between fake news and reporting based upon on the available facts. The AP reported that the memo was written and addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. which means it was being considered within that department, which is true. The article also clearly stated that the AP has been seeks comment from the head of the department and the White House who had not responded to thier request. When they did finally respond the AP updated the story to reflect thier response. That is how real journalism is done.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Whether this plan is something that comes to fruition or not, what do you suppose the optics of it would be like? Civilians being rounded up and captured by people in military uniforms, maybe collected in Arpaio style camps pending removal?
    This could be a trial balloon that got leaked or something. Still, when you think about it, trump once said he figured we could remove 11 or so million in two years. Over fifteen thousand a day, every day including weekends and holidays, for two years. People from across the nation, many of whom are not Mexican.
    There's no way it's not going to take some major logistics.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    Red Corvette - St George, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    "FAKE NEWS"

    Sounds like you and Donald Trump are on the same page. Any news story you don't like is "fake news"

    Now you need to read the companion story: 'DHS weighed Nat Guard for immigration roundups in 11 states including Utah'

    "A DHS official described the document as a very early draft that was not seriously considered and never brought to the secretary for approval.?

    So, you see, something is going around. Maybe it's an early draft. Maybe it's a later draft. But the question is, Does the White House have the draft and is considering it? And, second, did the White House initiate a policy for DHS to work up?

    When asked, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the document was "not a White House document." And, "There is no effort to do what is potentially suggested," according to the story by the AP.

    What is missing is that the document comes from DHS, not the White House, and "no effort to do" is far different from being requested by the White House for a proposal. Remember, Donald Trump doesn't like to reveal his hand before playing his cards.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    @TRUTH
    The fact the head of the national guard first heard about it from the news is hardly proof the story is not true or have you already forgotten Trumps bungled up rollout of his immigration ban?

  • JMHO Kanab, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    This is fake news because the updated article said it was an idea discussed by low level staffers and never made it to anyone's desk.
    "A DHS official described the document as a very early draft that was not seriously considered and never brought to the secretary for approval."
    Fake news.
    Fake news.
    Fake news.
    In other news, a junior staffer decided to change the water cooler bottle because it was empty.

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:05 a.m.

    Something to consider folks:

    If 11 million illegal people were removed from the United States, just consider the consequences of all that vacant rental property!!

    What a housing glut we would have. The "landlord" community (business people who are generally republicans) would be unhappy!!

    Cash flow or the lack of cash flow gets powerful people upset.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:57 a.m.

    Too bad former political leaders haven't enforced the laws, and now Trump has a mess to clean up.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    Will concentration camps be next? This is a nascent fascist dictatorship.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:50 a.m.

    Fake news? How so.? This is a proposal under discussion for a couple of weeks in the new Trump administration.

    Will he do it? That is another question indeed. I don't think he will, but the mere fact that our new President would even consider such a notion shows just how off track he most certainly is.

    A reasonable person knows that any such proposal is the rantings of a crazy person.

    And a reasonable person can see that the AP clearly identified it as a proposal and that clearly the new Administration has not decided one way or the other. You right wingers, in your battle against good reporting and truth, will jump your very own sharks.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    D news editor need to careful filter AP releases. AP is rapidly losing credibility.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    " . . . . Also dated Jan. 25, the draft memo says participating troops would be authorized "to perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension and detention of aliens in the United States."
    ______________________________
    The President may not have Constitutional authority to do that. I hope there’s nothing to this apparently leaked memo. If there is, I hate to contemplate what might be next.

  • ca_jon Crockett, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    The second article I've read in DN today and the second example of fake news. Come on, do some journalism instead of just posting these lame fake stories by AP. This is not going to happen.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    Third try screen name - Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    ". . . illegal aliens have already taken to the streets (yesterday, for example) to protest Trump's supposed uptick in raids."

    Au contraire, mon ami, those protesters are more likely American citizens making a statement for family members and friends being targeted by the Trump administration. If they were undocumented immigrants, the administration would have an easy job just rounding up the whole group and isolating those it wants to deport.

    However, this may be the biggest financial boondoggle the Trump administration has engaged in since promising to build The Wall. Each of the people who are taken will go through a hearing (I assume) where a immigration lawyer will work to delay any action. This will be an expensive venture foisted upon the American taxpayer.

    Where President Obama went after criminals who posed a public threat, Donald Trump apparently is targeting anyone since the argument goes, "if you're here illegally, you are already a criminal." So Trump is chasing down over 12 million "criminals".

    Now, I wonder how the Muslim database is progressing?

  • Red Corvette St George, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    FAKE NEWS

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    The national guard spokesman has stated ....the first they heard of this was from the media,......more fake news from AP and thus DNEWS!

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Sounds very Gestapo-like with the rounding up of the Jews. Remember the Nazi's considered that the Jews were "illegal" in Germany. Now, it is not good to bring in Nazi comparisons because this is not comparable. The Nazi's sent the Jews to extermination camps while Trump appears to want the National Guard to only round up undocumented immigrants and send them to Mexico.

    Also, I wonder if this is a Latin-only action or is it directed at all undocumented immigrants including those coming from Western Europe? Whatever, it is in highly questionable if this type of action is legal. And since it is the "report" stage, it has not been put into action where, I sure, there would be a lawsuit immediately filed somewhere and ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge.

    The Trump administration prefers to work in private, avoiding even the people in various agencies who are necessary to develop and/or tasked to implement the action. Since Trump appears to believe that he is the CEO of TrumpUSA, it will be some time before he recognizes that there are two other equal parts of government. Although Congress is not challenging Trump, we still have the judiciary.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    Drudge report is reporting this story as fake news ...

    AP jumped the shark......and once again is caught with a credibility issue.....can we trust anything the AP says?

    Afterall, they are an arm of the Democratic Party!

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    Hank Jr - Deer Ridge, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    "Is this another prime example of Fake News?"

    Is it, really? The definition of "fake news", according to TrumpSpeak, is any news that Donald Trump doesn't like. It doesn't mean that it is not true. Also, the story is appearing in all the major news organizations, so don't just blame the AP. It should be noted that the DesNews depends on the AP as a primary source of national and international news. The other major news sources like the WaPost and NYTimes have there own reporters.

    Just because the White House denies a story doesn't make it true. We only have to look at the Michael Flynn saga as only one example of a news story that was denied until it was acknowledged.

    The Trump administration doesn't like reports of what it is doing getting out to the public before it is ready to release that information. It is consistent with Trump's inclination to "surprise us", particularly with actions which might not meet with public approval.

    Trump supporters like everything Trump is doing. The will be very happy having a "deportation force" rounding up undocumented immigrants.

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    Going around tearing families apart (no matter how undesirable they're still families)

    I'm sure this isn't what they signed up for when joining the National Guard. Carrying personal vendettas of the president against those who can't defend themselves.

    I'm sure how you sleep at night after a long hard day of "rounding them up"

  • gee-en Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    Boy, the left-wing radicals are out in force trying to do anything they can to stop the progress our President wants to initiate.
    The left-wing radicals barely even blink when their presidents send in "stormtroopers" like Clinton did with ruby ridge and elian gonzales or like obama does with his immigration raids, supposedly "deporting" more illegals than anyone in history, or his comments about having a national police force that is just as well armed and funded as the military.
    Grow up people, you lost the election, now get out of the way because real work is being done.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    This will be white nationalist politics in action led by Steve Bannon. It will be a White House in complete chaos sending chaos out into the streets.

  • Hank Jr Deer Ridge, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    According to the UK site Daily Mail the Trump administration DENIED it's considering mobilizing up to 100,000 National Guard troops to round up illegal aliens – but White House source says it 'has been discussed'.

    The Associated Press clearly Botched this story along with countless others.

    Is this another prime example of Fake News?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber is correct when saying we should wait and see and not rely on a story by the AP. I don't think a Governor in the country would agree to using the Nat. Guard for these purposes but once again, let's calm down and wait to see what is actually proposed.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    Will they do that goose step march as they walk down the streets of America?

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:32 a.m.

    America's Propaganda (AP) has a history of reporting fake news. The White House has denied the report, but it may be Donald releasing fake news to find out where the leaks are. Trump is smart, this would have been a very stupid move.

    Just analyze the SS number of workers in America. SS numbers issued to children and people now dead are suspect of possibly not being used by its rightful owner. For example Barry Obama's SS number.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    The article is riddled with historical inaccuracies. For example, the 287g program goes back to 1996. GWB did NOT initiate it or even approve of it. The program came to life because LOCAL communities needed some relief. Bush was pro-amnesty.

    That said, illegal aliens have already taken to the streets (yesterday, for example) to protest Trump's supposed uptick in raids. I suppose if he's going to be blamed for it, he might as well follow through.

    If I were here illegally I'd gather up my family and go back home voluntarily. That would keep the family together and avoid the court battle. After all, they ARE in the wrong and committing fraud every day they go to work.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:06 a.m.

    I wonder why trump just doesn't enforce e verify. That would solve most of the immigration issues.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    This is a story from Associated Press, well known for their anti-Trump partisanship and having a horrible record for accuracy.

    Let's withhold judgement on this allegation until further research is done.

    A "draft memo" could be just about anything, from anyone, for any reason. Given some of the insider stuff leaked by disgruntled bureaucrats, this could even be a total fabrication planted by a left over Obama staffer intended to embarrass Trump.

    Call me if Trump actually sends out mobilization orders, but until then, be skeptical, very skeptical.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    Not alright. Let's set aside the very serious issues that come with militarizing our immigration force, the lack of training to understand the laws and restrictions on detention of individuals, civil rights issues etc etc. from a purely logistical perspective what do you do with the thousands of people he wants to round up? They still have the right to hearings before being deported which takes time.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:57 a.m.

    Sounds expensive.

    Not sure if this is worth the expense. Maybe the Trump administration should look at what Obama did using the personnel already in place. Obama deported more illegals than any previous President. Trump should start by matching Obama's totals.

    More Trump rhetoric to fool his base.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    I wonder how he proposes to pay for it?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:53 a.m.

    First it's the Mexicans.
    Next comes the press.
    Then it's the Muslims.
    Then comes the Democrats.
    After that, anybody that's not white & Republican.
    Then comes martial law.
    And the GOP will support him- unless some off them get rounded up & kicked out.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    I know that we need our borders to be secure. I want that. This president, however, needs to stop and take a deep breath and think about his actions before proceeding. He needs to stop running his mouth and stop tweeting because he is in flaming the destructive rhetoric in the country.

    Americans need to think about what this means for us. I'm picturing Storm Troopers dragging people away. While that may not be true, where does this end for us as a people? This president in four weeks has done a great deal of harm to us as a nation and our reputation and to our security, more than any president I've seen so far. Hes looking more like Richard Nixon all the time. He is taking us down a dangerous and sad road. As Dallin H. Oaks asks in his talk, Where will it lead?

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist."

    First, it was the National Guard, then it was the National Police force.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    I hope he does it! Illegal is illegal.