So... an all-girl, girl-led, girl-friendly environment because "girls learn
best in [that] environment" is empowering, but an all-boy, boy-led,
boy-friendly environment is discriminatory. No mention of whether
the same organizations pressing the BSA to include girls are also pressing the
GSUSA to include boys.
I am a lifelong LDS scouter here. I am the father of two boys and two girls. We
are all super active in the Church. And can I just say this, "It is about
time."The scouting program is an AMAZING program. Many prophets
have called it divinely inspired. LImiting such a program to only young men --
who more than half the time take it for granted I am afraid to say -- is a true
LOST opportunity. And, no, girl scouts isn't the same thing nor is that
program even remotely similar. The new Venturing Program is
FANTASTIC for both young men and women. But, sadly, it appears to me that most
all stakes and wards refuse to implement it even remotely properly for their
young men. In any case, it is time to implement BSA for all of our
youth. Young women increasingly go on missions. Young women increasingly enter
the workforce. And, sadly, young women increasingly raise children in single
parent homes. Like it or not, the skills in scouting are necessary for our young
women to learn, not just our young men. And, aside from scouting, the youth
programs of the Church have failed our youth. I don't have the space to go
into the data or the numbers, but scouting creates leaders, period.
@misanthrope - sl, UT"The point of the Boy Scouts was to raise
men, not adults." I agree@JSB - Sugar City, ID"This is getting really confusing. Is a steer a cow? What if you sew
an udder on a steer and paint it's horns pink, then is it a cow? What if
you psychoanalyze a steer and it feels like a cow. Then is it a cow?"Quit trying to logical and rational. It has no affect on NOW.
I hope the girls get in. Sometimes things have to worsen until change finally
An alternative to joining the BSA, if getting an Eagle Scout award is her goal,
is to grow up, get married, have a son, and push him to get his Eagle Scout
award. Often it's the mothers who really earn the BSA badges. But
don't the Girl Scouts have an equivalent award to an Eagle? I'm a
woman and should know these things but I don't. At any rate, 1st Baron
Robert Baden-Powell might be spinning in his grave.
So boys will be allowed in Girl Scouts then??
Crazy! Now the Boy Scouts will be selling cookies.
Boy scouts was (was: past tense) for boys. If girls want to participate in boy
scout things, then I guess that the girl scouts is failing them and it has not
evolved. Maybe they could do rappelling instead of selling cookies. They
should change and adapt for the needs of girls.In any event, I was a
volunteer at a boy scout first aid competition. They had a group of girl scouts
in there who also competed.When a scenario was given to the boy
scouts, the boy scout troop would portion off the different parts to different
boys for which each was individually responsible for.When a scenario
was given to the girl scouts, they would collectively work on all the parts
together.Boy scouts are to be tailored to needs of adolescent boys
who are developing into men. If they get into a watered-down scouts
organization, the organization is not going to be tailored for their needs.This will be one more example of how society is failing boys.
At what point does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints abandon this
ridiculous travesty of a program and REALLY initiate a world wide program for
the youth, young men and young women, of the Church. Friends of Scouting are
drying up from members. I have two Eagle Scout sons and I refuse to support
this aberration of a program. First BSA said the Church would face no legal
repercussion on retaining their strict standards and then BSA comes back saying
they will recompense any legal expenses if we are sued. Which is correct?
Safety or help if sued, saying nothing about the suit being lost! Once the
Supreme Court ruled I thought all was well, but the mob will have it's way
and the walls of a great, traditional program for young men cannot withstand the
world. It truly is sad. First Gay, then Transgender and now Young Women. If I
put on an application I'm 18 can I get in? Wait, no way......I'm a
biological, hormonal, traditional male....it's too late for me.
What is wrong with being a girl? The feminist movement seems determined that
femininity is a bad word. Can't girls be girls and boys be boys anymore,
or must girls be like boys to matter?Boy Scouts is for boys. It was
created to help boys develop into men. Do we have to develop our girls into men
Girls may learn best in girl led troops, so let them do so! It is too late for
my daughters as they are now too old, but they did repeatedly ask me why there
was no organization like Boy Scouts for them. And, they did try all the local
alternatives and were not happy.
This is getting really confusing. Is a steer a cow? What if you sew an udder on
a steer and paint it's horns pink, then is it a cow? What if you
psychoanalyze a steer and it feels like a cow. Then is it a cow?
This is getting silly...
@Pac 12Exactly my thought. On the upside, less Girl Scouts means
less donations from them to Planned Parenthood. Downside, less Girl Scouts
means less availability of Girl Scout cookies. Hmm.....tough call.....
Transgender 'boys' are girls, therefore the ban on allowing girls to
join has already been lifted.I have yet to hear what the LDS church is
going to do now that this final step has been taken. The point of the Boy
Scouts was to raise men, not adults.
Identity (or lack of) seems to be a HUGE deal to many people. That is because it
is a HUGE deal. However, if you chisel away at organizations around you to
remove identity, the organization ultimately becomes faceless. A faceless
organization no longer stands for anything, and won't help you find your
own identity.Better to find good organizations that can help you
with the identity you desire, than to chisel good organizations into nothing.Boy scouts is fine just handling boys. Girl scouts is fine just handling
girls. If you want a coed scouts or "scouts" then that is fine too.
Find one to join, or start one, but don't destroy the boy scouts or girl
scouts in the process. Let them have identity.
@ThriveTypically YW recieves a larger budget than YM and their camps
typically cost less. At least that was my experience as a Clerk out here in
Let's just call them Scouts.Women and men work together in the
real world including police/fire departments, and the military.Seems
silly to keep them separated ( I mean except for the tents when out on camping
"The benefit of a single-gender program is a priority" states a scout
executive. Well, that is gone with allowing transgender individuals into
scouting.One answer is potentially relatively easy. Anyone who
wants their girls to join the boy scouts, just have your girls claim that they
"feel like a boy" for an hour once a week and when other activities
occur. Anyone who identifies as a boy is now admitted. Are scouting
executives actually surprised that girls now want to join?In my
personal opinion, it is silly to allow transgender individuals into scouting and
not allow girls. Scouting is fast becoming a mere shadow of what it once was
and will soon be unrecognizable.
Co-ed scouting programs are common in other countries. It can certainly work!
I remember being SO jealous of the scouts as a young girl. Their activities
were so much better, had award programs, etc. Activities days and Young Womens
programs can be so boring and underfunded compared to the boys.
Evidently she can say she "identifies" as a boy and they'll admit
her. So whattsa problem?I've been involved with Scouting for
50 years. Currently I'm a cubmaster; my granddaughter, age 10, attends
almost every week. Occasionally she's disappointed, like at the recent
Pinewood Derby when she wanted to build a car and race, but couldn't. (Cubs
only.) But we all deal with disappointments from time to time, don't
we?"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me
as a member."- Groucho Marx
Yes, lets let the feminists into the boys scouts. Any bets on how long it will
be before the boy, in boy scouts will dissappear?The feminists
movement to emasculate men and make them dissappear, is not a praiseworthy
movement!The destruction of humanity needs to stop!
Is no one going to address this sexist comment? "We know that girls learn
best in an all-girl, girl-led environment," Bastiani Archibald said. "
They already have let girls join the ranks. Any girl can simply check the box
next to boy and she's in.