@Thid said: "They never investigated ONE Democrat for ethics
violations!..."Are all republicans this ill-informed? Sheesh,
thid, just do a little reading. And please stop repeating republican
@mohokat"Regardless the changes do not eliminate the OCE nor do
they gut it."Really? The OCE with this legislation would cease
to exist as an independent entity and be rolled under the Republican controlled
House Ethics Committee....ie. eliminated.Also, the legislation made
the following changes to the OCE's previous charter:The watchdog
would have no longer been independent. Lawmakers would vote to determine if a
fellow member of Congress had broken the law. The body would have been prevented
from receiving anonymous tips. Accusations against lawmakers would no longer
be made public.How exactly is that not 'gutting' the OCE?
Regardless the changes do not eliminate the OCE nor do they gut it.Well, lets see. It was an independent, non-partisan agency and the GOP voted
to put it under the control of the house. A house which just happens to be
controlled by the GOP.Call it what you want but those changes would
have put the GOP controlled house in charge of ethics investigations. I guess
if you are partisan enough, you just might not see anything fishy about that.
@silo. What the Repubs. actually did was address two lingering criticisms of the
OCE. First criticism is that it was to frequently confused with the House Ethics
Committee. Second leaks from the OCE about its investigation. The new rules
approved Monday was to change the name to Office of Congressional Complaint
Review to clarify it does not have the same status of the House Ethics
Committee. In addition the rules prevent leaks on investigations and prevents it
from investigating anonymous tips. Regardless the changes do not eliminate the
OCE nor do they gut it.
@mohokat"Just read that Democrats tried to Gut the same office in
2010. Where was the outrage then. Hypocrisy runs deep there."There was no outrage then because the two scenarios are nothing alike.In 2010, 20 Democrats authored house resolution 1416, proposing changes
to disclosure rules in the OCE. The resolution died before ever being referred
to a committee, and never remotely saw a house vote.In 2017,
Republicans authored, amended, voted and PASSED a bill that would remove the
entire OCE. Not change, not modify....but completely remove the entire OCE.You're comparing apples to airliners and complaining about
Nothing to see here folks we can handle our own ethics investigations just fine
thank you.....uh what? Trump just tweeted something.....crud. I
guess the GOP will need to test other boundaries. Looks like our new supreme
leader has bigger fish for them to fry. I just hope the rest of us are not
burnt in the process.
Ya think think they want some goodie little two shoe's telling them how
nasty they are.
Just read that Democrats tried to Gut the same office in 2010. Where was the
outrage then. Hypocrisy runs deep there.
@thid barker"So now, being non-partisan yourself, you support
President Trump, right?"Being partisan or non-partisan has
nothing to do with having support for Trump. There are slimy
characters in both major parties. People with integrity can and do reject the
the slime in their own party, but for some reason, Trump fans seem more inclined
to forgive his slimy tendencies.
Thid Barker - Victor, IDRe: Liberal on planet: "I
believe I made my point! You called me the most partisan commenter ever! So now,
being non-partisan yourself, you support President Trump, right"?First off I'm absolutely certain you do truly believe you clearly stated
your point. However. If so it shouldn't be that difficult explaining such.
Unless of course you are truly unaware and are caught up in your own extremist
rhetoric. Furthermore. Please thoroughly read and comprehend all previous posts.
You'll see at no time did I call you "the most partisan commentator
ever". In conclusion. Definitely noticed you ignored the question regarding
your familiarity with Trump. We both know why! Possibly you will actually read
the article next time prior to commenting but I'm not holding my breath.
Happy New Year Barker. Your turn!
@ Liberal on planet: I believe I made my point! You called me the most partisan
commenter ever! So now, being non-partisan yourself, you support President
Thid Barker - Victor, IDRe: @ Liberal on planet:" I
have good news for you! President elect Trump has convinced the GOP controlled
congress to retain the "ethics office". So now, even you can support
President Trump! No problem for anyone who is so non-partisan as liberals,
right"?Your point is specifically T. Barker? As you are aware
my small town fellow poster. Born and raised in New York. Therefore,
unfortunately I've been quite familiar my entire life of Trump and his
antics/behavior. How about yourself? Familiarity regarding the subject matter
at hand does not equate to daily, extremist, obstructionist anti-liberal
tirades. Especially when one clearly does not investigate factual information or
take time to even read articles prior to posting. #NeverTrump! Your turn.
@ Liberal on planet: I have good news for you! President elect Trump has
convinced the GOP controlled congress to retain the "ethics office". So
now, even you can support President Trump! No problem for anyone who is so
non-partisan as liberals, right?
Thid Barker - Victor, ID"They never investigated ONE Democrat
for ethics violations! It should have been called the Democrat ethics violation
protection scheme! Get rid of it, save millions for the taxpayers! Cut out
wasted spending and shrink the size of government! Good job GOP! There needs to
be much, much more house cleaning (pun intended)! Next up: repeal Obamacare! GOP
is defending the taxpayers of America"!Apparently this new year
the resolution was to come across even more off base and partisan T. Barker.
Possibly next time you may actually read the article prior to the daily,
extremist, partisan rant. Then again? "They never investigated
ONE Democrat for ethics violations"! I'm beginning to
wonder if Google and or other search engines are unavailable to those in the
state of Idaho.
@Thid, Where do you get your information? Here is an incomplete
list of just some of the democrats investigagted by the Office of Congressional
Ethics: Corrine BrownBobby BushMike HondaSylvestre
Ah yes, Republican saviors are here to drain the swamp!First item of
business for 2017: take away ethics investigations!(If it truly was a
bipartisan problem, they could have found some Democrats to join them, and
passed the bill quietly somewhere in the middle of the session - but instead,
destroying ethics oversight is GOP priority #1!). Swamp creatures rejoice!Next item of business: repeal Obamacare! (Even though tens of millions
more people now finally have basic health insurance, and even though 8 years
later we still have no idea what a "Republican alternative" even looks
like).Third item of business: tax cuts! (this from the same people
who advocated budget austerity at the worst possible moment, right in the middle
of the 2007-8 recession, and from the same Republicans who brought us W's
massive tax cut, turning our last budget surpluses into deficit spending).Putting Republicans in charge guarantees financial self-destruction yet
again - and their Morality Police get a clear path too, now that their
multiple-affair, Playboy magazine "contributor" Twitter President is on
board. This swamp is getting grosser by the minute.
This so called ethics office did not investigate the Democrats, it was law
enforcement agencies! The FBI investigated Hillary, not this agency! Becareful
of calling others wrong before you check your facts!
“Republicans claim they want to ‘drain the swamp,’ but the
night before the new Congress gets sworn in, the House GOP has eliminated the
only independent ethics oversight of their actions,” House Minority Leader
Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said in a statement Monday night. “Evidently,
ethics are the first casualty of the new Republican Congress.”======== P.S. Deseret News, change the picture.House
REPUBLICANS are the story here, not the Democrats.
What could possibly go wrong with this?
More Fake News!!
This officially makes Utah Rep. [and Mormon] Jason Chaffetz head of the House
It won't take long for the GOP train to go off the track. Take OBamacare
for instance. Most of the structural elements of it have overwhelming public
support. I have a 12 year old nephew diagnosed with brain cancer just last
year. Already medical bills well over a million dollars. The insurance company
would have stopped paying and they would now be in bankruptcy. With Obamacare,
no caps. With the Republicans plan? Who knows. Just watch for the public
opinion to turn when the tx cuts go mainly to the rich, people lose benefits and
the deficit grows. We've seen this movie before but most forgot about it.
Sigh----and yet in two years we will vote these same people back into office. I
would recommend that we all vote as I do in the next election vote for anyone
who is not the incumbent. I will give President-elect Trump credit
for criticizing this move it shows the arrogance of the Republicans in the
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
"With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the
weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it may be, their
number one act and priority," Trump asked over Twitter the morning after the
surprise and secretive move by the House GOP.kudos to Trump.
Although, I would like for someone to tell my why it is "unfair"The GOP is going to have to learn to lead rather than take up petty,
useless causes. How about this... Construct a health care plan.
How did the local Reps vote?
Unethical lawmakers investigating unethical lawmakers.
Of course they did, just like Utah's GOP they don't need ethics
oversight, they should be trusted.What a revealing move by the GOP
to know that ethics would be their biggest problem, so they choose this as their
important business, before they can get down to business.
@ThidDid you read the article? Apparently not.Last
sentence:"and former Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., convicted on
corruption in a separate case."
House GOP votes to gut independent ethics office==== Of
course the would!How else can you go about your secret combinations, if
they are not kept secret?And who needs "Ethics" anyway? Congress has a whopping 9% approval rating...
"They never investigated ONE Democrat for ethics violations!"Oh really Thid? Not one? Since 2008? That sounded ludicrous. So I check it
at oce dot house dot gov. And guess what? Lots of Dems investigated.Gregory MeeksMichelle Lujan GrishamAlan GraysonJust to
name the first 3 I came across. And it took less than a minute."There needs to be much, much more house cleaning (pun intended)!"And yet you applaud the move to neuter the cleaners.How about you
Lost? Lets hear your take on this as opposed to just a partisan shot.Looks to me like the GOP controlled house would rather control ethics
investigations as opposed to a independent, non-partisan body. Fox
meet hen house.
So the House Republicans want to take away the risk of being caught and
investigated for ethics violations. Sad.
If ever there is a reflection of Republican values, this is it. And
apologists swinging at Democrats for this is astoundingly laughable. In a
Republican controlled House, it investigated only Republicans? Again, how much
evidence do you need to conclude that the problem is the GOP?
@Thid "They never investigated ONE Democrat for ethics violations! "False.
LOL! Isn't politics dirty and crooked business? What else is new? The
elusive powerful entities are afraid to have any ties with special interest
wheeling and dealing under the table that they concocted. RNC and DNC both
pointing fingers at each other when in reality they are all puppets. Politicians
are in denial when they should say, mirror mirror on the wall, who is the
greediest of them all?"
pelosi knows nothing if ethics. she didn't make her millions from her
If there is anything our Congress and our new White House will need it is some
ethical behavior! My guess is it will be a free for all on unethical behavior.
We can't even get our new president to releases his taxes. If he has
nothing to hide why not release them.
Bad decision in this time of uncertainty.
When you vote for crooks, don't be surprised when crooks end up making the
They never investigated ONE Democrat for ethics violations! It should have been
called the Democrat ethics violation protection scheme! Get rid of it, save
millions for the taxpayers! Cut out wasted spending and shrink the size of
government! Good job GOP! There needs to be much, much more house cleaning (pun
intended)! Next up: repeal Obamacare! GOP is defending the taxpayers of America!