Clinton says Putin's 'personal beef' prompted election hacks

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  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Dec. 21, 2016 7:35 a.m.

    Always remember that "hacked the election," is liberal speak for "released 100% authentic documents that showed real democrat dirty pool."

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 20, 2016 9:17 a.m.

    The Blame Game. This is the only game the Democrat party knows. Obama and Clinton are masters of the blame game. The election, the economy, ISIS, Obamacare, you name it ...all somebody elses fault. No no -- never ever look in the mirror and reflect for a moment on the real problem because the real problem is the person staring back at you. This all screams of narcissism and both Obama and Clinton are infected all the way to their bones. As the New Testament teaches "ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth" (2 Timothy 3:7 )

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Dec. 19, 2016 4:09 p.m.

    Amazing Hillary apologists forget, 60 percent of the us population considered the best word to describe Hillary was, dishonest. This far before her campaign rigged the nomination against Bernie.

    She was a liar before any released e-mails. Wikileaks just confirmed her campaign was just despicable.

    Note the only electoral voters going rogue so far, those supposed to be voting for Hillary.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Dec. 18, 2016 6:45 p.m.

    Bifftacular - Spanish Fork, Ut
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:29 p.m.

    "Russia did not . . . "

    No. The Russians hacked American computer systems. That is a threat to the nation. That is the issue, not Hillary's dressing style. Why not criticize Trump's ill-fitting suits since he has gained so much weight over the years?

    Would you be upset if I hacked your computer and stole your information and made it available to everyone?

    Since you appear to be very partisan, your comments will be regarded with that in mind. However, to excuse illegal Russian cyber-espionage as okay when it is directed against those you don't like is to align yourself with the Russian spymasters.

    Wouldn't it be great to have the information they have on Donald Trump and the Republican National Party? Would you be okay with that? I'm sure they have it and are waiting for the right time to use it.

    Maintaining a strictly partisan view of American affairs doesn't do much to make things better. It only keeps the divisions that interfere in any progress that can be made. We've put up with this nonsense for the last 8 years.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Dec. 18, 2016 5:51 p.m.

    4601 - Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2016 10:45 a.m.

    The books are open. The Clinton Foundation, in addition to doing exceptionally good work around the world, remains controversial because there is so much noise about the foundation that legitimate information is difficult to glean from the accusations and defense of it.

    Republicans hate the Clinton Foundation. That is a given. Therefore their position is biased from the get-go. They embrace anything and everything the leadership says regardless of truth. The Clinton's defend the foundation and its work regardless of some lack of transparency.

    However, none of this comes near the illegal activity of the Trump Foundation which essentially is a Donald Trump piggy bank. Trump supporters and Republicans prefer to ignore the controversial aspects of the foundation, particularly when it is used to basically bribe and payoff elected officials.

    This in no way excuses the Clinton's lack of transparency. Nonetheless, the partisan nature of the issue makes getting any real information difficult at best. If you depend upon the major media and news outlets, Republicans will criticize your source of information.

  • Lib living on Planet Utah SLC, UT
    Dec. 18, 2016 3:23 p.m.

    worf - Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 16, 2016 10:12 p.m.

    "Hmm? If Russia could really influence the election. Why did Obama win the previous two? Or, were those rigged by CNN"?

    Worf. Apparently you and the rest of Texas missed a key point. President Obama overwhelmingly won both the electoral college and the popular vote! Keep trying!

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2016 10:45 a.m.

    Cheshire Cat - Bronx, NY

    "So far he is just making himself and his billionaire friends more wealthy."

    Simplistic? Many people voted for Trump because he was perceived as the lesser of two evils. Some of us voted for Neither.

    The record of crony capitalism, conflict of interest and influence peddling in the Clinton-Obama era is evidence that making yourself and friends wealthy is a bi-partisan activity. Solyndra and the Clinton Foundation are but two of many examples.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Dec. 18, 2016 7:19 a.m.

    Wow a lot of Trump love on this post! Some insertion of reality is in order.

    One, Clinton did win the majority of the popular vote -- by 2.5 million votes by the last count. So all the rhetoric above about Trump's great victory is really due to the imperfections of the electoral college where it appears that in the last three Republican presidential victories this century, the winner did NOT have a majority of votes. It may be in the future, the only way a GOP candidate can win is via the electoral college -- not popular vote.

    Two, U.S. sanctions against Russia has hurt that country's economy, and Clinton as Secretary of State has been viewed by Putin as a key nemesis on the world stage.

    So, a "personal beef" seems like a reasonable conclusion.

    Now, Trump has assets in Russia -- and its lagging economy has likely hurt Trump's profits there. Is there any wonder why Trump wants to make nice with Russian and bolster that country's economy?

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Dec. 18, 2016 12:17 a.m.

    4601 - Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2016 11:33 a.m.

    "The reason Ms. Clinton lost was Hillary Clinton. "

    That's rather simplistic. Most votes by independents were made in the last weeks of the election. The Russian hacks appear to have provided additional "evidence" of Hillary's behavior and trust issues. But there was also the Comey intervention and the years of of Republican propaganda to discredit the Clintons over the past 30 years.

    Now the Republicans have to find some way to control Donald Trump and keep him from doing the very things they don't want. Since Trump fancies himself as that superb negotiator, he likes to set up the negotiation by offering initial conditions that everyone finds untenable. The the back-and-forth begins.

    However, a president cannot afford to take this type of strategy since the consequences can be greater that either side may want. Extreme hardheadedness can result in war. Also, if a Republican Congress takes a hard line, Trump can always play his Supreme Court justice card and not give them a ultra-conservative justice. So far he is just making himself and his billionaire friends more wealthy.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2016 12:05 a.m.

    BYUalum - South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2016 10:12 p.m.

    Blaming others for his own failings is a Trump hallmark.

    So it doesn't bother you about the increasing information coming out about Russian involvement in penetrating American computer systems and hacking systems of the DNC in order to affect the U.S. election? Apparently, it appears that Trump apologists find it necessary to side with Vladimir Putin and the Russian spy network over their own government. This sounds treasonous.

    Donald Trump either is afraid of something the Russians have learned about him over the past 30 years or he doesn't want to jeopardize his business interests in Russia. He is acknowledged to go to great lengths to protect his personal/business affairs, but the Russians never signed a confidentiality agreement. What do you know about it? Not what do you believe. What do you know?

    Many Trump people say that he did not mean the more atrocious things he said during the campaign, yet they don't know what he means if they refuse to take his statements literally. They feel what he means. They have no supporting evidence for what he means.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2016 10:12 p.m.

    Anybody's guess what/who she will blame after January 20th.

    Stop whining and making excuses. You lost! Go away!!

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Dec. 17, 2016 7:40 p.m.

    worf - Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 17, 2016 1:03 p.m.

    You believe whatever you want, but to deny the conclusions of those who should know tells us a lot.

    Do you believe everything Donald Trump says? He is not know for his intellectual curiosity or interest in the truth. It's all about Trump. If you do or say what is complementary toward him, then he's a happy camper. If you criticize him, the look out.

    One wonders what he would have said if U.S. intelligence agencies told him that Osama bin Laden was intent on attacking America? Does he go on his gut feeling? Maybe he would be more accepting of information than he is with the Russians. It would be interesting to know if he is afraid of what the Russians might reveal about him or how his business interests in Russia are helped by his defense of Vladimir Putin.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 17, 2016 1:03 p.m.

    Personal beef?

    Truth be known, it's more than just personal beef, but it doesn't prove they hacked.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2016 11:33 a.m.

    Deflecting blame for Ms. Clinton's election loss on the Russians is an example of denying reality. The reason Ms. Clinton lost was Hillary Clinton. We are angry that Russia meddled in our election, but we can't question the truth in the exposed emails. We are cannot be certain what Trump will do, but we knew that Clinton's election would mean more of the same corruption, mendacity and bowing to the elite establishment.

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2016 10:08 a.m.

    NOTHING is ever the fault of the Clintons. It is always someone/something else's fault.

  • Cutedog Rupert, ID
    Dec. 16, 2016 11:40 p.m.

    GARY0

    Clinton's "brilliant legacy" was due to a Republican congress, and George Bush did not ruin it, we were attacked, remember?

    I think a whole country was breathing a sigh of relief Al Gore wasn't president.

    And, if you cannot see the mess our country is in, look around. We have hit an all time low, in every way.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 16, 2016 10:12 p.m.

    Hmm?

    If Russia could really influence the election.

    Why did Obama win the previous two?

    Or, were those rigged by CNN?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Dec. 16, 2016 8:17 p.m.

    Hey David -

    "I believe the CIA and FBI reports that Russia hacked into the Clinton campaign's computers and released information. Why would Russia do this?"

    To weaken America . . . Why else?

    Our "greatest geopolitical threat" prefers to deal with a weak America.

    And with Republicans in power, our nation is much, much, much weaker than when Democrats are in power.

    And now as America enters another mini dark age of Republican leadership, Russia is comparatively much stronger. And wouldn't you know it? . . . Both the Republicans and our international enemies are happy with that prospect.

    Remember how GW Bush took Bill Clinton's brilliant legacy and utterly destroyed it? . . . That's nothing compared to what Trump can do.

  • banliberals SLC, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 4:20 p.m.

    I just don't get how lying and cheating escapes this woman....especially given her husband an expert on the subjects!

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 3:17 p.m.

    To: lost in DC

    Please do not ridicule Hillary's fashion choice. Rather, join me in looking forward to that happy day when she will be wearing a new orange jump suit.

  • averageguy WASHINGTON, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 2:25 p.m.

    --The Pentagon reports getting 10 million cyberintrusion attempts per day.
    --The National Nuclear Security Administration, an arm of the Energy Department, also records 10 million hacks a day.
    --The United Kingdom reports 120,000 cyberincidents a day.

    Nothing new here, been going on for years, its what governments do...its also what we do.

    What is new here is Hillary's and her lib friends desperate creativity in blaming her loss on anyone but herself. The hope is maybe convince some gullible fools in masse and maybe have an outside attempt at a bloodless coup.

  • ConservativeUtahisBest Murray, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 2:13 p.m.

    So why did Hillary lose? Was it the FBI letter? Was it Russia hacking the elections? Was it a white-lash as the left media has called it? Or was it the middle class that was fed up with 8 years of a stagnant economy that isn't going anywhere for the middle class. Liberals are always trying to point the finger at something else. Just like they have been doing for the past 8 years.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 2:06 p.m.

    I wonder if Obama believes Romney now...that Russia is America's greatest geopolitical threat.

    I believe the CIA and FBI reports that Russia hacked into the Clinton campaign's computers and released information. Why would Russia do this? To help Trump win, or to create discord and revolt in America? Was it to punish Obama for trying to influence elections in Russia (Obama did the same to Israel)?

    Regardless, what did we learn from the release of Clinton's emails? That she was colluding with American media to influence the elections through deception, that she had low regard for Americans in general, and that she was untruthful in her public statements. We learned that the DNC undermined Bernie Sanders to ensure a Clinton win in the primaries. We learned the extreme liberalism of Clinton. We learned of corruption, lies, deceit. We learned that Clinton should not ever be president.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 1:16 p.m.

    Hillary, you should take your sour grapes and ferment them slowly into a fine whine.

    If you spill the whine and stain your pant suit, blame Putin.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 1:15 p.m.

    I have thought for a long time that as vulnerable as our election process is, it would be too tempting for Putin not to meddle with it for no other reason than to show our follies. He learned one lesson from his predecessors. You do not have to put one third of the country behind bars, seal the border, or have one-candidate elections to have control. It can be done very well in a system where people are free to speak and vote as they please if you are a pro at manipulating public opinion. He has had tremendous success with this in Russia, and how he is expanding to the US. His success is astounding - he got somebody with 70% or so disapproval rating to win the presidential election.

  • Mata Leao Ogden, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 1:09 p.m.

    Hillary blames Russia for Americans learning the real truth about her. If we didn't know she was a liar, would she still be a liar?

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 1:06 p.m.

    On November 7th Hillary was on top of the world, sure to swiftly ride into the White House on a wave of support that would never end, reminiscent of the old slogan "The sun never goes down on the British Empire." A liberal press was so enamored with her that they forgot to be objective and see what was really happening. In the end, that arrogance helped Trump.

    Of all the scenarios that seemed the least pausible on that day, was the one where Hillary lost and then blamed it on the Russian government. Wow, is that woman not ever able to handle the truth or what? She makes Al Gore look like a piker when it comes to Sour Grapes and ignoring reality in losing a presidential election, which is the more interesting (i.e. hypocritical) because she made such a point of him needing to accept the outcome.

    Related to this, I can hardly wait to see what "punishment" Obama will dish out to the Russians, especially after his tokenism resistance in Syria and the Ukraine.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 1:00 p.m.

    hilary, buy some sweeteners for your grapes.

    But you know what? Had you never broken the law and used a private server, they would not have been able to hack you so easily and none of this would have ever been an issue. Want to find out who was responsible for you losing the election? Look in the mirror.

    Bifftacular
    Ugly suit pants. I almost died from laughter.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:55 p.m.

    Of course Hillary was hurt by the election hacks and WHY??? Because those hacks showed the DNC working with CNN and NBC to cover for Hillary and hurt Trump. So here we have a main steam media being part of team Hillary. This is the same as s Super Bowl team finding out the refs were paid off by one of the teams to win the game.Now I suspect we would all be very happy to come forward with that revelation prior to the Super Bowl itself. This is called CHEATING by team Hillary. Of course cheating sours in the belly of voters and for good reason. Clinton was corrupt to the core and the more emails that surfaced simply added to her damage path. This is all about getting caught by team Hillary and because it was the Russians it is somehow bad? I don't think so. I want to personally THANK Putin for uncovering the Dirty Democrat tactics. If it were Trump that they caught I would want to know that too!! But Trump was clean and that is why he won and why Hillary lost. Get over it lefties.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:49 p.m.

    But Hutter your ok with Hillary and Obama messing with the sovereignty of other nations?

    Where do you draw the line?

    By the way we now know Obama knew about the Russians attempts months before the election but didn't want to mess up Hillary's win. So now spin the new Benghazi story.

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:49 p.m.

    Hillary, what is your real message? It sounds to me that you are saying you would have gotten away with your lying, cheating, and illegal behavior if only you had not been caught by hackers.

    Why are you not denying the truthfulness of the hacked info? Is this an admission of guilt?

    I will agree with you on one thing - it is easier to kill the messenger than to kill the message.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:44 p.m.

    What was hacked?

    How the DNC rigged the system against Bernie?

    They cheated America!

    Who ever did the hacking. Thank you for exposing the coverup.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:43 p.m.

    So what, exactly, did Russia hack? None of the "Russia is why Hillary lost!" people have ever explained what Russia hacked, and the precise effect.

    As best as I can tell, Russia is accused of hacking the DNC and possibly the Clinton campaign and releasing a bunch of emails.

    That's it. The release of Hillary's emails is the reason Hillary lost? In other words, by merely shining some transparency and telling the truth, enough people were disgusted that they didn't vote for her.

    So what the left is saying here is that if only the American people had never learned the truth, Hillary would have won. That's basically it, isn't it? That the truth about Hillary ended her campaign, as people didn't vote for her.

    Sounds to me that if your candidate has to keep things hidden to win, maybe you shouldn't be running.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:40 p.m.

    Cutedog...
    Since you're OK with the idea that it did not affect the outcome of the election, are you otherwise good with this violation of our national sovereignty, or should it be considered a larger problem?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:40 p.m.

    Hillary may be on to something here! Perhaps the Russians have developed some sort of super mind control weapon where they use mental telepathy to control the brain waves of Americans so they voted for Trump instead of her? How else could Russians influence the election, if you believe they did so?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:38 p.m.

    Clintons talking about meddling in elections is a fine example of chutzpah.

    You simply cannot believe a single thing that any of the Clinton dynasty says.

    However, a surprisingly large percentage of very gullible people, Democrat voters and the media (but I repeat myself) simply accept every utterance as if it were passed down from God on stone tablets.

    Clinton lost, fair and square. Get over it. Go back to your "foundation" and whatever it does.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:34 p.m.

    FBI agrees with CIA. Everyone onboard but presumptive president elect. Time for action on the Russian plot.

  • Cutedog Rupert, ID
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:32 p.m.

    No, Hillary, that is not why you list the election. Look at the electoral map.

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:29 p.m.

    Hillary, your comments are sour grapes and for someone that said they'd accept the results of the election, you come out of this more and more petty by the day.
    Russia did not:
    1- Write or send the embarrassing DNC emails
    2- Get CNN to collude with you on the debate questions
    3- Call Trump supporters "deplorables"
    4- Double Obamacare premiums the week of the election
    5- Double down on the philosophy that abortion is okay, particularly in the third trimester
    6- Look the other way when Bill was carousing with women (while he was actually President) but then raise a hue & cry about Trump's peccadilloes as if you are the champion of women
    7- Do national business on insecure personal email servers.
    8- Delete 30,000 emails
    9- Botch Benghazi
    10- Wear ugly suit pants

    If Russia tried to influence the election, that absolutely should be stopped. But quit blaming everyone and anything for your defeat other than yourself.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2016 12:17 p.m.

    Yes I would sys Putin's personal beef would be a reason, Obama and Clinton were meddling in Russia's elections, Obama was meddling in Israel's elections. What Hillary should get a pass from meddling?

    Go figure. Countries meddle it's what they do.