Trump levels harsh criticism against US military generals

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  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Sept. 9, 2016 12:40 p.m.

    kiddsport - Fairview, UT

    "Trump has more military experience and expertise in protecting America's security than Obama had when he was first elected . . . "

    Yes, that's true. Donald Trump avoided Vietnam with a bogus health condition and Barack Obama came of age when there was no longer a draft. Neither had military experience. Trump did not have more because he didn't have any.

    You forgot that under the Obama administration, Osama bin Laden was eliminated and Al Qaeda significantly reduced in effectiveness. Also, we got out of the morass that was Iraq. People forget that the timing for leaving Iraq was made under the Bush administration. However, this allowed for the growth of Al Qaeda in Iraq which spawned ISIS.

    ISIS is a small, terrorist organization based on ideology. It's power is by spreading fear with fighters willing to kill themselves to carry out their mission. As a fighting force, they rank pretty low. The Iraqi military and the Pesh Merga (the Kurdish fighting force) is defeating ISIS in Iraq without the need for American ground forces (a small contingent of special forces, notwithstanding).

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2016 12:26 p.m.

    Tolstoy - salt lake, UT

    " . . . why did Trump threaten to fire the generals?"

    When Donald Trump is off-script and not awkwardly reading from a teleprompter, he says wacky stuff. He doesn't know why he said it, he just said it. He talks like this to get attention and because he is famous for saying "You're fired!" He's the Big Kahuna.

    If you listen to Trump when he is on script, he sounds like Barack Obama. He would continue doing what the Obama administration is doing because he has no other ideas except his love for Vladimir Putin. In that respect, he might defer to Putin and turn Syria over to the Syrian government and the Russians. Then he could send U.S. troops back into Iraq to take the oil and claim it for a new corporation named Trump Oil. That would really go over well in the Middle East and the world.

    Trump has no plan for combating ISIS. That's why he wants to request a plan from "his" generals who have no experience with that command. It sounds like Josef Stalin getting rid of his military officers in the years before Hitler invaded in 1941. Trump has no respect for our military except as a new toy to play with.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2016 12:14 p.m.

    patriot - Cedar Hills, UT

    "Our military is at its weakest level since 1939."

    Such hyperbole. Donald Trump supporters will say anything, much like their mentor, to get attention. 1939? Really? Obviously you need to re-read history and take the measure of the men and women serving in the military today? Also, there is a lack of the changes in military dynamics which indicate that extremely large military forces built to fight other large military forces (like WWII, Korea, Vietnam or the Cold War) are obsolete. Other than cost trillions of dollars, increase the deficit to even greater heights, what would we do with tripling the size of the military?

    Of course, this would be an economic boon to the corporations that make equipment for the military. But consider than our current military is 100x stronger than our military at the peak of the Second World War. Our equipment is much better. One carrier-based attack aircraft is more powerful than all the aircraft combined on a single aircraft in WWII. Our tanks are far, far superior to the Panzers or T34s of the past. Our soldiers are much better trained and capable than their grandfathers of yesteryear.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 9, 2016 10:47 a.m.

    @JMHO
    So if your spin on it is correct why did Trump threaten to fire the generals?

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Sept. 9, 2016 5:35 a.m.

    Again great spin. I read a criticism of the administration as evidenced by the generals being reduced to rubble. The headline and spin masters turned this into solely a criticism of generals.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Sept. 8, 2016 10:29 p.m.

    Trump is not in a position to criticize our military.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Sept. 8, 2016 8:35 p.m.

    @patriot

    "a Russian jet buzzing our spy plane. That would have NEVER happened 10 years ago "

    Piffle. It happens all the time. Shadowing spy planes is old news. We do it, they do it, the Chinese do it. Sometimes we hear about it, sometimes we don't.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Sept. 8, 2016 1:22 p.m.

    Trump has more military experience and expertise in protecting America's security than Obama had when he was first elected; eight years in office haven't improved Obama's ability one whit.
    Sadly, because of the undermining of a truly able and honorable candidacy of Ted Cruz in the primaries, we are forced to vote against a known security risk whose foreign policy record spawned ISIS, Syria, Libya, Crimea, and on and on and on. We are forced to vote against a proven prevaricator according to the testimony of James Comey, whose own honor was obviously compromised by the current administration; shades of Susan Rice.
    We are forced to vote against a candidate who has no problem broadcasting our intentions, even our national secrets to our enemies.
    We are forced to vote against an extortionist who sells influence and access for "donations" to her fundation.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 8, 2016 12:27 p.m.

    Our military is at its weakest level since 1939. Can you imagine what would happen if another Hitler rose to power and massed a 4 million man army against this country as in WWII? The US would fall within days. We could not fight against another Hitler and I doubt even another Saddam Hussin. We are weak and getting weaker. The good news is all that could change with Trump. Trump presents an interesting leadership role as commander and chief -- Trump was AGAINST the Iraq war and wants no part of nation building as with George Bush. Trump does however beleive in the walk softly but carry a BIG STICK idea of TR. The deterrant factor is gone because of Obama and it is badly needed once again. Our enemy's laugh at us (Putin and Iran) and even yesterday we have a Russian jet buzzing our spy plane. That would have NEVER happened 10 years ago - never!! Something has got to change with our military and I do turst Trump to get it done!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 8, 2016 11:52 a.m.

    Yes Mr. Trump --

    The United States military's Generals are all a bunch of worthless dolts.
    YOU know more about ISIS than they do!
    YOU have a plan.
    and yet - YOU want them to formulate a plan in your 1st 30 days in office.
    and yet again -- you said you will remove them once in office?.

    Which is it?
    more of Trump's Orwellian double speak...

    This man is dangerous,
    and completely un-qualified to be Commander-In-Chief.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Sept. 8, 2016 11:34 a.m.

    Trump says America's generals have been "reduced to rubble."

    And yet his entire "secret plan" for defeating ISIL is to give our generals 30 days to come up with a plan.

    Why should we rely on this pile of rubble to make a plan to defeat ISIL?

    Almost every time Trump opens his mouth, all we hear are vague cliches, ridiculous assumptions, and just plain nonsense.

    What does that say about Trump supporters??

    BTW, Utah will vote OVERWHELMINGLY for Donald Trump.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 8, 2016 10:45 a.m.

    People who criticized the Iraq War were labelled "un-American" by conservatives.

    Fast forward conservatives have selected a representative who broadly trashes military generals.

    (Notwithstanding that decisions made by generals should be open to criticism)

    The Republican Party is in need of some very, very serious intensive intervention--starting with the 24/7 fact-free, fearmongering, right-winged media

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    Sept. 8, 2016 9:51 a.m.

    "Trump renewed his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin for having "great control over his country."

    This is the same Putin who says he doesn't know where the tanks or missile launchers now in the Ukraine came from? Really. Any president that allows the free flow of heavy military artillery across their borders and doesn't have any idea where they came from hardly has "great control over his country".....

    Of course this is the opinion of a man who went to a military styled high school (re-boarding school away from his family) that thinks his experience there gives him more insight on how a military should run than generals who have been fighting militants and terrorist for decades. Just considering the source here.....

    A candidate for the highest office in this nation laying praise on the nearest thing Russia has had to a dictator in 30 years..... Reagan must be churning in his grave.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 8, 2016 9:50 a.m.

    Donald Trump disparages

    Military Generals,
    Military POWS,
    Military Gold Star Families,
    and
    the military Veterans.

    Got it.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Sept. 8, 2016 9:06 a.m.

    Trump's "harsh criticism [of] US military generals" must be taken with a grain of salt, considering the closest he ever came to either the "military" or "generals" were the upperclassmen at the military-themed boarding school he attended.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 8, 2016 7:50 a.m.

    While I can certainly understand why someone has reservations about ever voting for Hillary, after watching and listening to Donald Trump last night, I cannot fathom how any educated person could for vote for him.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 8, 2016 7:19 a.m.

    @SLars Sept. 8, 2016 12:26 a.m.

    Trump is tired of inaction in the Middle East, just like most Americans. We have been there for 13 years. Hillary on the other hand has shown she can't be trusted with anything, including the US Military.
    ------------------

    Not true. by everything he has done in his life, Donnie has shown that he can't be trusted with anything, much less the USA, its people and its military. If you're looking for someone who can be trusted, Donnie is NOT your guy.

    NEVER Trump/Pence

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Sept. 8, 2016 6:52 a.m.

    " America's generals have been ;reduced to rubble' "

    So . . . Our generals are just a bunch of worthless rubble huh?

    Well, 88 retired generals came out in support Trump. Apparently they don't mind being characterized as rubble.

    They're Republicans though, aren't they? And so they are accepting of that characterization.

    The Republican Party has been reduced to rubble.

    The Party of Trump is certainly NOT the Party of Lincoln, is it?

  • Utahchop Tooele, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2016 6:49 a.m.

    A shake up of military leadership is probably warranted. Political correctness in the military is running rampant with more focus given to integrating transgenders and celebrating gay pride than to the core competencies of defending our national interests and prevailing over ISIS and other hostile actors. This environment fosters the "political flag officers" rather than the "warrior generals" that the nation needs. Rather than investing in urgently needed military hardware and systems the focus has been on green technologies and using the military as a social laboratory. My view is based on my experiences as a 30 year retired O-6 having served closely with several flag officers over the course of my career.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2016 12:26 a.m.

    Trump is tired of inaction in the Middle East, just like most Americans. We have been there for 13 years. Hillary on the other hand has shown she can't be trusted with anything, including the US Military.

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    Sept. 7, 2016 11:20 p.m.

    Anybody who missed it go listen to the Commander in Chief forum hosted by Matt Lauer. And please just listen without any bias.

    Then tell us who you want sitting in the oval office with the nuclear codes.

    Donald Trump?

    No way.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 7, 2016 10:10 p.m.

    @dn news
    So Putin is to be admired and or military disparaged? I have to admit I never thought the day would come that the GOP candidate could ever hold such a position and still be thier candidate. Truly sad.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2016 9:54 p.m.

    So, according to Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin is to be admired because he is a strong leader and has control over his country. Typical Trump who aspires to be Authoritarian in Chief. He must have really liked the ways Josef Stalin and Mao ZeDong controlled their countries without the necessity and bother of a constitution. In fact, totalitarian regimes appear to be high on Trump's list of successful governments.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT

    "A number of fine officers were pushed or jumped when they incurred Obama's displeasure, so this is nothing new."

    You must not be very familiar with the military and military protocol. Like any business model, there is only so much room at the top. Not that politics doesn't play a role in promotion, this is all usually handled within the military. A president may remove a general from command, as Truman did with Douglas MacArthur, but there is no evidence of Barack Obama going outside the chain of command. As Commander-in-Chief, he has every right to operate on his own, but he has deferred to the Joint Chiefs with any questions.

    So what is your point? Other taking cheap shots at Hillary?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2016 9:38 p.m.

    Unfortunately, some of our current senior officers have proven to be more adept at sucking up to the President and his cronies, than at providing sound military advice or effective leadership for our forces. Some of them should be "encouraged to retire or find new work" which would be a euphemistic way of saying they are fired.

    A number of fine officers were pushed or jumped when they incurred Obama's displeasure, so this is nothing new.

    However, with a Hillary administration the senior ranks may be purged for failure to "pay up their fair share."

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 7, 2016 9:05 p.m.

    Someone please explain to me why any rational human being could claim they are voting for this man in November. He criticizes everything and everyone. He offers few if any details to his proposed policies, and his flipped on the policy proposals he ran on through most of the race. He has absolutely no experience in public service. He is anything but a conservative. His ignorance of foreign affairs is glaring. His vague economic policy would not receive a passing grade in an undergraduate econ class. And the list goes on.

    Why are Utahns likely to support this man for the most powerful political office on the planet?