And some other activities that require a picture ID:- apply for
Social Security- pick up a welfare check in person- pick up a Social
Security check in person- buy a gun- buy ammunition- apply for
a driver's license- pick up advance tickets to a show or sporting
event- going to an R-rated movie (if you look close to 18)-
registering for school- entering many businesses/work places now require a
picture ID to be shown to a guardTo those who argue about picture
ID/verifying proof of citizenship for voting: I appreciate that you want to be
"nice" to everyone and disenfranchise no one, but your arguments do NOT
pass the common sense test. What is most precious to us should be
protected with our most strenuous efforts. Period.
Keep people from voting until they can prove they are actually US citizens?Makes perfect sense to everyone but diehard liberals.You
need an ID:- to write a check- to withdraw money at a bank- to get a driver's license- to get a boarding pass at the ticket
counter for your airline flight- to take the ACT test- to take the
SAT test- to buy a pack of cigarettes- to buy a beer at the 7-11- to use your credit card at many storesBut to vote and choose the
leaders of your country?Oh, no, that would be "racist" or
SSN's do not verify citizenship, but an SSN is required to be employed.
Many illegal aliens have an SSN that they have obtained illegally so that they
can work. An estimated 80,000 SSN# of Utah children are being used by someone
other than the person it was assigned.Therefore, if the SSN was
required, a quick check could verify the age of the person assigned the number.
I doubt that many illegal aliens with stolen SSN# would be showing up to vote if
they knew that the SSN# was being checked.Using another persons SSN#
is a felony. Felons lose their right to vote.
@David --"But we can still verify citizenship. It's 2016.
It shouldn't be that hard.And the benefits justify the effort
of verifying."Read that judge's decision again. Read the
facts about how few cases of in-person voter fraud there have actually been.Kansas (and the other states that have had their laws knocked down) is
proposing a solution when there is no significant problem. And their
"solution" ends up disenfranchising thousands.They're
I appreciate the concerns raised by Kalindra & Co. Don't use SSN or
drivers licenses then. But we can still verify citizenship. It's 2016.
It shouldn't be that hard. And the benefits justify the effort
@ David: So you want to just willy bully give out your social security number to
who knows whom? Why don't you just go ahead and post that here - save
identity thieves standing at the polling place to get it - same net effect. The voters who would be disenfranchised by this, have IDs - none of your
examples are relevant because they have driver's licenses and are able to
do every one of those voluntary activities. What the state wants to do is
prevent them from exercising a Constitutional right to vote. Huuuuuuge
difference. There is no reasonable excuse to deny these voters the
right to vote.
@David --"Do all Americans have a Social Security
Number?"Nope. For instance, Old Order Amish don't. Also,
noncitizens CAN get SS numbers with work permits. SS numbers do *not* verify
citizenship."In the United States, a Social Security number
(SSN) is a nine-digit number issued to U.S. citizens, permanent residents, and
temporary (working) residents under section 205(c)(2) of the Social Security
Act, codified as 42 U.S.C. § 405(c)(2)."Keep trying.
AuContrarius,Do all Americans have a Social Security Number? As
JiminSLC mentioned, SSN would be a great way to simply verify citizenship. It's 2016. We are talking about cars driving themselves. But we
can't verify voter eligibility? It's not that hard folks. When I purchase some medications I have to show picture id. I don't buy
cigarettes or beer, but I understand that if I did I would have to show picture
id for proof of my age. To drive a car I have to have a drivers license. To
apply for a loan, to rent an apartment, to get a library card, to cash a check
at the bank...we have to verify all kinds of daily functions. Of
course we should and can verify voter eligibility.
Voting is a right; A right of citizenship. voting precincts should have voters
give their SS#, everyone of voting age should have one assigned to them. Then
do a quick lookup to check the age of the person the number is assigned. Let
the voters know in advance. That should keep most non-citizens away from the
@David --"Reagan said to trust, but verify. Nothing wrong with
that folks."Kansas already got their voter suppression law
overturned in federal court. But they're still trying.As Judge
Robinson wrote in that decision: "even if instances of noncitizens voting
cause indirect voter disenfranchisement by diluting the votes of citizens, such
instances pale in comparison to the number of qualified citizens who have been
disenfranchised by this law." Also, "Although the Court is cognizant
that the injunction will cause some administrative burden to the State, it is a
burden that is outweighed by the risk of thousands of otherwise eligible voters
being disenfranchised in upcoming federal elections." and "On this
record, the Court cannot find that the State's interest in preventing
noncitizens from voting in Kansas outweighs the risk of disenfranchising
thousands of qualified voters."Remember -- there have only been
THREE cases of in-person fraud found in Kansas, within the last **20 years** --
yet the law disenfranchises thousands of voters. It's a horrible cure for a
very tiny problem.
Uh...with 11+ million illegal immigrants in the country, it simply makes sense
to verify citizenship when voting?Reagan said to trust, but verify.
Nothing wrong with that folks. It sounds like a pretty reasonable way to make
sure our elections aren't compromised. When voters feel the election has
been honest and well run, they will better accept the outcome of the elections.
Who doesn't want a peaceful transition following elections?
It's Kansas. They're not just financially broke.
And even when the federal courts tell these states to cut it out, they are STILL
trying to disenfranchise voters. Sheesh."Robinson said evidence
in the case shows only three instances in Kansas where noncitizens voted in a
federal election between 1995 and 2013, and about 14 noncitizens attempted to
register during that time. Robinson said the number of people disenfranchised
outweighed the harm of those cases."Keep reading that til it
sinks in, folks. Kansas and other states are talking about disenfranchising
thousands of voters just because THREE people voted illegally over the course of
20 years. Seriously??