@worf --"Remember when some districts in Philadelphia had zero
votes for Mitt Romney?"That isn't a sign of fraud --
it's a sign of a very heavily Democratic district.From the
Snopes website:"Barack Obama won the overall vote in the
Philadelphia area by an 85% to 14% margin over Mitt Romney; Obama also received
greater than 90% of the vote in more than half of Philadelphia's 66 wards,
and 99% or more of the vote in seven of those wards. That result was hardly
surprising given that, as the Philadelphia Inquirer noted, those wards are
"clustered in almost exclusively black sections of West and North
Philadelphia" and "nationally, 93 percent of African Americans voted for
Obama." The Philadelphia wards that trended very heavily for Barack Obama
included many divisions of between 200 and 500 voters in which Mitt Romney
received a scant handful of votes..., a result mirroring that of the previous
election, in which Republican candidate John McCain "got zero votes in 57
Philadelphia voting divisions."[....]"Many parts of Philadelphia and
other big cities simply lack Republican voters, a fact of campaigning that has
been true since Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal...."Stop
looking for fraud under every bush.
Of course it's rigged!Remember when some districts in
Philadelphia had zero votes for Mitt Romney?Remember the DNC, and
Trump was correct on saying it was rigged?The will of the people has
little meaning to our corrupt leaders.Twenty trillion dollar
national debt didn't just happen. It was created!IMO! Many of
our political leaders didn't have the votes to get into office. Rigged!
patriotCedar Hills, UT"Is the general election unfair for
the benefit of liberals?"I feel your pain. After listening to
Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh all day, it must be frustrating to realize that the
days of conservatives winning general elections are few and far between. But I
would digress and say that these do not favor liberals otherwise Bernie Sanders
would be the Democratic nominee instead of Hillary Clinton. Still, the
opportunities for conservatives has gone the way of the Whigs.Contrary to your thinking, however, it is not a rigged system unless losing
voter disenfranchisement laws is rigging the system. Republicans have tried
different strategies to win general elections from gerrymandering congressional
districts to voter disenfranchisement through various deceits, but the major
reason is that there are not enough non-college educated, working white men to
carry an election.All the work the Republican establishment has
funded to the tune of tens of millions of dollars vilifying Hillary Clinton
appears to be for naught because the nation is not as white as it once was.
Donald Trump appears to only get support from an angry base that is rapidly
@GaryO: "Trump...is probably hoping he can foment a nation-wide riot among
his supporters when does lose."Of all the divisive insults Trump
has made, this "rigged" comment should draw rebuke from all
Americans.This is a dictator's variation of the old coin-flip
trick, in this case: Heads? Trump wins! Tails?America loses!Trump
is implying that the 2016 Presidential election will be invalid unless he alone
wins. Trump is conditioning his supporters three months in advance of the
election not to accept any other outcome. It is tempting to mock
this like any other Trump paranoid conspiracy theory, but Trump knows most of
his current supporter are gullible enough to actually believe it and how to
leverage them.As November approaches and a Trump rout is more
certain, we can expect Trump to trying salvaging his campaign by threatening
America's history of peaceful transitions in governance, with suggestive
tweets such as: "So many believe election is rigged! Widespread anger and
frustration! Good people should not be violent, but can you blame them?"Increasingly, it is clear that folks can support Trump or support the
American system, but not both at the same time.
Is the general election unfair for the benefit of liberals? That's like
asking is professional wrestling fake? Really people? Last election we have the
president telling the IRS to threaten conservative groups with audits along with
the discovery of thousands of illegals registered (somehow) to vote for
Democrats. Yes the election is rigged. Yes 100% guaranteed it is rigged . So
what to do? Compensate by getting more votes but Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck will
have none of that because they stand (and lose) on principle. I have the sinking
feeling that America can never elect a good president again. Not Kennedy and not
Reagan today. No way would they or could they win today. Too corrupt, too stupid
and very sad for the future of a once great country.
As letters above indicate, the failed Trump campaign is not viable even in Utah.
To prove this is wrong there needs to be a rally attended by Hatch, Lee, all of
the congressional candidates soon. Lets set a date for that.
mohokatExcellent research, the kind that newspapers use to do. Frozen FractalsThe DNC staff discussed how to deal with
Bernie's popularity surge. Instead of treating Sanders like a viable
candidate, the DNC worked against him and his campaign to ensure that Clinton
received the nomination. That is fixing an election.Hillary claiming
that the FBI found her innocent of sending classified material, and Democrats
saying the primary wasn't fixed would be front page stories, if the name
Trump is lining up his excuses for losing.He is probably hoping he
can foment a nation-wide riot among his supporters when does lose.And how can he justify that?"The system is rigged." -
Donald TrumpRemember how Trump predicted riots if he didn't
become the GOP Presidential candidate?The psychologically unstable
Trump is more than half a bubble off now, and when he loses, he wants to go out
with all the drama befitting a reality show finale.
Translation: he's not doing well in the polls. @Thid Barker["Good Morning President Trump" is becoming more likely everyday!]Clinton leads by 4.4 points nationally in the RCP average head to head
and 4-way race polling. @SLars"Bernie knows it can happen.
"Except nothing was rigged. Really this scandal is just
"people have personal preferences in candidate". That doesn't mean
anything by itself. Nobody has yet explained how. How was it rigged? The pledged
delegate winner, which is basically based on the will of the voters in a state,
was Hillary. I wanted Bernie to be the nominee, but she won fair and square. "wikileaks showed the Democrats fixed the primary against Bernie.
"No, it didn't show that. He got fewer votes, that's
how he lost. @JimInSLC"when most Democrats that supported
Sanders refuse to vote for Hillary"False, roughly 80% of Bernie
supporters already support Hillary.
"When Hillary ran her campaign in 2008 her campaign Co Chairman was Debbie
Wasserman Schultz.Lets say hypothetically Hillary wanted to be assured that
after losing to Obama she would get the nomination in 2016. What better way to
lock it down than have your co chair lead the party. For this scenario to be
possible Hillary would not only have to compel the current chair to step down
but to have him recommend Debbie Wasserman Schultz to lead the Democrat Party as
its chair. One would assume that Hillary would have to promise the current chair
something in return.The Chairman who had stepped down in 2011 and recommended
Debbie Wasserman Schultz to succeed him...... Was Tim Kaine Hillary's VP
pick for 2016."Rigged you say. Naw!
Wow, how soon we forget that the DNC fixed the primary.
Trump has my vote!
May I offer my own "conspiracy theory"?Now that Donald Trump
has bullied his way to the nomination -- The Republican
"establishment" wants to punish Trump.How?After
his humiliating spanking by the American people voting in Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump will be ruined once and for all politically, Financially, and Personally.He will die, and be
remembered, as a broken, humiliated, fool.
Remember when Bush did it in 2000?
This Trump guy whines and snivels more than just about any other politician
I've ever seen.Weak and Whiney, that's what they call
Here we go again. The election is still three months away and already Mr. Trump
is prepared to blame an unfair system for his defeat.
Trump has never lost at anything in life. And when he has, it's because it
was rigged against him.
One is more likely to become President by being a good candidate first. In a
year where Republicans could have won back the WH and had a President to
nominate Supreme Court justices that would have appealed to conservatives, they
nominated Donald Trump. Forrest Gump couldn't have been more right.
Hey, here's a shocker: I agree with Trump!The election is
rigged -- or, at least, the Repubs have been trying their hardest to rig it.Witness the four Federal court decisions from this week alone -- the
ones overturning voter-suppression laws in four different states.--
Wisconsin: "On Friday, a federal judge struck down a string of restrictive
Wisconsin election laws passed in recent years, finding that they were tailored
to benefit the Republicans who enacted them and unfairly disenfranchised
minority voters. .... "The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a
preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of
disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections,
particularly in minority communities," U.S. District Judge James Peterson
wrote."-- North Carolina: "Many provisions of the 2013 bill
'target African-Americans with almost surgical precision', Judge Diana
Motz wrote. North Carolina Republicans' 'true motivation' behind
the law, she went on, was not to combat voter fraud but to keep reliably
Democratic black voters... away from the polls."The same
happened in Kansas and Texas -- four states in just one week.THIS is
the sort of election rigging we need to watch out for and fight against!
This demonstrates that he is preparing to bump Hannity on Fox and will attack
more. There is probably a deal to give him the vacant leadership position at
Fox. He can help Putin while there instead of the oval office.
‘Trump suggests general election could be 'rigged'’======== Of COURSE Trump would say that, HE himself
just publically asked the RUSSIANS to help do it...
Been rigged ever since 88. They are rigged to keep people like Ross Perot and
Ron Paul out. Unlike those others, Trump has no substance.
Oh gosh,Here we go again! Trump is trying to strike
more fear in the electorate. I believe he's also trying to justify is
current failures. "It's the system, not ME!"The whole
Trump phenomena is embarrassing!
So the world isn't kneeling at his feet and he can't understand it, so
it must be rigged. Folks, if ever there was a chance for a totalitarian to head
the country, it's this guy. Run away. Republicans, please start putting
nation before party. You know better in your hearts that Trump should never be
President. Cut your loses and offer the country something better in 2020 (if
you are able).
When trump loses he's not going to go quietly, and certainly not with
dignity. He's just foreshadowing it.
@SLarsWhile what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders was absolutly dirty
politics, it was all about finding a way to attack his beliefs so he
wouldn't win the primary....That's not the same as rigging an
election. No where is there an email talking about, say, not counting votes that
people cast for him(and in most states it was the state government that ran the
primary, not the party) I fail to see how the actions of the DNC rise to the
level of "rigging" an election.
Donald Trump is right - the election is rigged.Exhibit A: we got
Donald Trump as a candidate.
I am shocked at the number of people I know who are dumping Trump.
Pretty early to be giving reasons why you lost to get a slot on Fox new to talk
continuously bad about the President. Will be slotted before or after Hannity.
@ SLars"Three articles about Trump today, and no mention of
Hillary still denying she sent classified emails?"Tell your boy
to cede center stage and I'm sure they will. But he just can't do it.
He craves attention. He must have the spotlight.DT: The best
player on Team Hillary.
I was in Russia a few years ago during their presidential elections and I can
assure you that they were very fair and honest. I noticed a great deal of
participation from all parties and the involvement of regular people in the
process was phenomenal. That said I have witnessed how the primary election was
stolen from Bernie by the Democrat elite and how the other party tried to steal
it from Donald. I think there should be a demand from Trump that impartial
international observers be invited to monitor the presidential election as the
USA appears to have de-evolved into some sort of banana republic governed by
trans-national interests and misinformed as to their state (fate) by a
centralized media oligarchy.
@RP888Can you vouch for the same in New York, New Jersey, and
Chicago? Just wondering.
Trump suggests . . . Was this something he read in the National
Enquirer? He gets a lot of his information from that source
apparently. That and whatever he makes up.Rigged? With a schedule
set over a year ago before the primaries for each political party? One can see
Trump filing a lawsuit if he loses since that is his modus operandi in these
situations.Maybe Trump expected to get half of Bernie's
supporters and can't seem to figure out why they're not coming to him.
Here's a clue: Trump's not their guy!Those Republicans who
have condemned Donald Trump for the terrible things he says need to take that
final step and withdraw their endorsement. However, we understand that Mitch
McConnell and Paul Ryan will still vote for anything that will give them the
conservative Supreme Court justice for which they have sold their souls.Republican strategist recognize that Trump will not get more than 40% of
the vote in a general election. He has plateaued with his base and cannot go any
higher since no one else will vote for him. It's a dark world for the
Republicans now. There's no light for them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The election is rigged. Everything is biased against me. Whatever. Donald Trump - The gift that just keeps on
Thid BarkerVictor, ID"Trump has a 97% chance of defeating
Hillary this election."Whatever . . . . . . and
pigs can fly.
This Baker:Well the professor may be right but as many have said,
Trump isn't a conventional candidate and this isn't a conventional
election. And I doubt this is a conventional candidate. Another scenario is
having Trump lose about as big as Dole did to Bill Clinton. Some are predicting
a Goldwater scenario. I don't think it would be that bad. But anything
can happen and as we see almost on a daily basis, he's just one press
conference or speech away from something...
Live by immediate twitter attacks, die as a result of immediate twitter
responses. At least it was not Pokemon go that took out his campaign.
A befitting quote from an article on zerohedge.“The people who
cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide
everything.”—Joseph Stalin, dictator of the Soviet UnionAl Gore would probably agree with Stalin on this.I've had a
suspicion that Trump was how Hillary becomes president. Main stream media
reporting results of manipulated polls to make it appear that Hillary is
leading, then when the rigged votes are counted in her favor it will be as
expected.If you believe that Hillary is leading Trump, when most
Democrats that supported Sanders refuse to vote for Hillary, You probably also
believe the media's reporting of unemployment under 5%.lies,
lies, and more lies.
@Fred44Hillary doing an interview on Fox made a statement that was
far more incredible than Trump. She said the FBI director said she never sent or
received classified emails. Trump's comments come after
wikileaks showed the Democrats fixed the primary against Bernie. We are seeing
the media report Trumps mistakes, but they are ignoring Hillarys.
SLars,Thanks for the updated talking points from the far right
talking heads on the radio today. The reason no one is talking about Hillary is
because Trump takes one foot out of his mouth and puts the other in faster than
anyone can keep up with. Hillary just needs to sit back and shut up and let
Trump do himself in. Hillary may represent all that is wrong with
politics in America, but Trump is a self absorbed out of control little child in
an adult body who has no personal control, discipline or a filter. We
shouldn't be surprised because this is the guy who trades his wives in
about every ten years on a newer younger version.
Pence should just end the pain and suffering right now by turning in his
resignation as Trump's running mate/VP candidate. Otherwise, he just drags
his good name through the embarrassment that is Trump every single day. Have
you seen "Groundhog Day"? That is Pence's life right now.Just leave these two hooligans and scoundrels and vote for Gary Johnson.
I have worked with hundreds of men and women in Utah who run the elections for
more than 20 years. I can vouch for their honesty and dedication to running fair
and open elections. I find Mr. Trump's comments highly offensive and
I think Gore claimed the same thing
Trump is the greatest, most amazing sore loser ever! Ordinary sore
losers wait until after they lose to come up with mildly weak excuses. Sad!
Pathetic!Trump offers up only biggest and best weak excuses, well
ahead of schedule.The general election that won't occur for
another 3 months was rigged? Sure, why not.Stone carvers at Mount
Rushmore are purposefully dragging their feet finishing his likeness? He is
hearing more and more about such unfairness! Election at risk! Terrible!
Already preparing his concession speech. "It was rigged" sounds better
than " Americans woke up".
Bernie knows it can happen. Three articles about Trump today, and no
mention of Hillary still denying she sent classified emails? Let's start seeing some intellectual honesty in the media.
I wouldn't put it past Clinton to have the election rigged, but I also
wouldn't be surprised to see Trump pulling the same bologna. This election
has turned into a three-ring circus.
Two comments in an prelax is already trying to change the subject.
Americans have always been free to vote in an election, as long as it is
according to the powers that make sure you vote for one of their options! It
isn't that the system is rigged. It is that the voters are so naive and
ignorant that they will vote for who the media and the powers that be want you
to vote for! Education is important and perhaps some are catching on, but I am
not hopeful. It is better to sit back and watch the charade and the destruction
of a once great society and land. At least you can answer to God that you
weren't a part of the charade!
If Professor Norpath of Stony Brook college is correct, Trump has a 97% chance
of defeating Hillary this election. He established an interesting model that
correlates a candidate's perfomance in primary elections and patterns in
election cycles since 1912 and his model has an accuracy rate of 96.!%. Given
the very recent dismal Dept. of Commerce report that shows our economy grew only
about 1% this year is another indicator (not prof. Norpath's but
historical) in that no incumbent party has won an election for president when
economic growth has been so anemic! Obama's conjecture about how well our
economy is doing will fall on deaf ears for millions of Americans who are
struggling to find a decent job and pay their bills! "Good Morning President
Trump" is becoming more likely everyday!
The DNC fixed the primary, so why not? They have had practice. On
“Fox News Sunday” Hillary said that FBI Director James Comey
confirmed her statements on her email scandal were “truthful”.
Clinton cited Comey when asked to account for her repeated claims that she never
sent or received material marked classified on her personal email account. Chris
Wallace noted that Comey said those things were not true, Clinton disagreed.
“That's not what I heard Director Comey say. Yes,
anything could happen this year.
Yeah, he better say something bat crazy to get the media of the Khan story... The Donald is always thinking ahead.