Trump suggests general election could be 'rigged'

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  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 3, 2016 4:59 p.m.

    @worf --

    "Remember when some districts in Philadelphia had zero votes for Mitt Romney?"

    That isn't a sign of fraud -- it's a sign of a very heavily Democratic district.

    From the Snopes website:

    "Barack Obama won the overall vote in the Philadelphia area by an 85% to 14% margin over Mitt Romney; Obama also received greater than 90% of the vote in more than half of Philadelphia's 66 wards, and 99% or more of the vote in seven of those wards. That result was hardly surprising given that, as the Philadelphia Inquirer noted, those wards are "clustered in almost exclusively black sections of West and North Philadelphia" and "nationally, 93 percent of African Americans voted for Obama." The Philadelphia wards that trended very heavily for Barack Obama included many divisions of between 200 and 500 voters in which Mitt Romney received a scant handful of votes..., a result mirroring that of the previous election, in which Republican candidate John McCain "got zero votes in 57 Philadelphia voting divisions."[....]"Many parts of Philadelphia and other big cities simply lack Republican voters, a fact of campaigning that has been true since Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal...."

    Stop looking for fraud under every bush.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2016 2:02 p.m.

    Of course it's rigged!

    Remember when some districts in Philadelphia had zero votes for Mitt Romney?

    Remember the DNC, and Trump was correct on saying it was rigged?

    The will of the people has little meaning to our corrupt leaders.

    Twenty trillion dollar national debt didn't just happen. It was created!

    IMO! Many of our political leaders didn't have the votes to get into office. Rigged!

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Aug. 3, 2016 1:41 a.m.

    patriot
    Cedar Hills, UT

    "Is the general election unfair for the benefit of liberals?"

    I feel your pain. After listening to Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh all day, it must be frustrating to realize that the days of conservatives winning general elections are few and far between. But I would digress and say that these do not favor liberals otherwise Bernie Sanders would be the Democratic nominee instead of Hillary Clinton. Still, the opportunities for conservatives has gone the way of the Whigs.

    Contrary to your thinking, however, it is not a rigged system unless losing voter disenfranchisement laws is rigging the system. Republicans have tried different strategies to win general elections from gerrymandering congressional districts to voter disenfranchisement through various deceits, but the major reason is that there are not enough non-college educated, working white men to carry an election.

    All the work the Republican establishment has funded to the tune of tens of millions of dollars vilifying Hillary Clinton appears to be for naught because the nation is not as white as it once was. Donald Trump appears to only get support from an angry base that is rapidly disappearing.

    Mahalo

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Aug. 2, 2016 4:40 p.m.

    @GaryO: "Trump...is probably hoping he can foment a nation-wide riot among his supporters when does lose."

    Of all the divisive insults Trump has made, this "rigged" comment should draw rebuke from all Americans.

    This is a dictator's variation of the old coin-flip trick, in this case: Heads? Trump wins! Tails?America loses!

    Trump is implying that the 2016 Presidential election will be invalid unless he alone wins. Trump is conditioning his supporters three months in advance of the election not to accept any other outcome.

    It is tempting to mock this like any other Trump paranoid conspiracy theory, but Trump knows most of his current supporter are gullible enough to actually believe it and how to leverage them.

    As November approaches and a Trump rout is more certain, we can expect Trump to trying salvaging his campaign by threatening America's history of peaceful transitions in governance, with suggestive tweets such as: "So many believe election is rigged! Widespread anger and frustration! Good people should not be violent, but can you blame them?"

    Increasingly, it is clear that folks can support Trump or support the American system, but not both at the same time.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 4:13 p.m.

    Is the general election unfair for the benefit of liberals? That's like asking is professional wrestling fake? Really people? Last election we have the president telling the IRS to threaten conservative groups with audits along with the discovery of thousands of illegals registered (somehow) to vote for Democrats. Yes the election is rigged. Yes 100% guaranteed it is rigged . So what to do? Compensate by getting more votes but Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck will have none of that because they stand (and lose) on principle. I have the sinking feeling that America can never elect a good president again. Not Kennedy and not Reagan today. No way would they or could they win today. Too corrupt, too stupid and very sad for the future of a once great country.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 3:53 p.m.

    As letters above indicate, the failed Trump campaign is not viable even in Utah. To prove this is wrong there needs to be a rally attended by Hatch, Lee, all of the congressional candidates soon. Lets set a date for that.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 3:43 p.m.

    mohokat

    Excellent research, the kind that newspapers use to do.
    Frozen Fractals

    The DNC staff discussed how to deal with Bernie's popularity surge. Instead of treating Sanders like a viable candidate, the DNC worked against him and his campaign to ensure that Clinton received the nomination. That is fixing an election.

    Hillary claiming that the FBI found her innocent of sending classified material, and Democrats saying the primary wasn't fixed would be front page stories, if the name was Trump.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 2, 2016 3:14 p.m.

    Trump is lining up his excuses for losing.

    He is probably hoping he can foment a nation-wide riot among his supporters when does lose.

    And how can he justify that?

    "The system is rigged." - Donald Trump

    Remember how Trump predicted riots if he didn't become the GOP Presidential candidate?

    The psychologically unstable Trump is more than half a bubble off now, and when he loses, he wants to go out with all the drama befitting a reality show finale.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 12:29 p.m.

    Translation: he's not doing well in the polls.

    @Thid Barker
    ["Good Morning President Trump" is becoming more likely everyday!]

    Clinton leads by 4.4 points nationally in the RCP average head to head and 4-way race polling.

    @SLars
    "Bernie knows it can happen. "

    Except nothing was rigged. Really this scandal is just "people have personal preferences in candidate". That doesn't mean anything by itself. Nobody has yet explained how. How was it rigged? The pledged delegate winner, which is basically based on the will of the voters in a state, was Hillary. I wanted Bernie to be the nominee, but she won fair and square.

    "wikileaks showed the Democrats fixed the primary against Bernie. "

    No, it didn't show that. He got fewer votes, that's how he lost.

    @JimInSLC
    "when most Democrats that supported Sanders refuse to vote for Hillary"

    False, roughly 80% of Bernie supporters already support Hillary.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 12:12 p.m.

    "When Hillary ran her campaign in 2008 her campaign Co Chairman was Debbie Wasserman Schultz.Lets say hypothetically Hillary wanted to be assured that after losing to Obama she would get the nomination in 2016. What better way to lock it down than have your co chair lead the party. For this scenario to be possible Hillary would not only have to compel the current chair to step down but to have him recommend Debbie Wasserman Schultz to lead the Democrat Party as its chair. One would assume that Hillary would have to promise the current chair something in return.The Chairman who had stepped down in 2011 and recommended Debbie Wasserman Schultz to succeed him...... Was Tim Kaine Hillary's VP pick for 2016."

    Rigged you say. Naw!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 11:30 a.m.

    Wow, how soon we forget that the DNC fixed the primary.

  • u.p. Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 11:09 a.m.

    Trump has my vote!

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Aug. 2, 2016 10:21 a.m.

    May I offer my own "conspiracy theory"?

    Now that Donald Trump has bullied his way to the nomination --
    The Republican "establishment" wants to punish Trump.

    How?

    After his humiliating spanking by the American people voting in Hillary Clinton,

    Donald Trump will be ruined once and for all politically,
    Financially,
    and
    Personally.

    He will die, and be remembered, as a broken, humiliated, fool.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Aug. 2, 2016 10:10 a.m.

    Remember when Bush did it in 2000?

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 9:56 a.m.

    This Trump guy whines and snivels more than just about any other politician I've ever seen.

    Weak and Whiney, that's what they call ol' Trump.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 2, 2016 9:38 a.m.

    Here we go again. The election is still three months away and already Mr. Trump is prepared to blame an unfair system for his defeat.

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2016 9:17 a.m.

    Trump has never lost at anything in life. And when he has, it's because it was rigged against him.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 8:31 a.m.

    One is more likely to become President by being a good candidate first. In a year where Republicans could have won back the WH and had a President to nominate Supreme Court justices that would have appealed to conservatives, they nominated Donald Trump. Forrest Gump couldn't have been more right.

  • Contrariusiest mid-state, TN
    Aug. 2, 2016 8:12 a.m.

    Hey, here's a shocker: I agree with Trump!

    The election is rigged -- or, at least, the Repubs have been trying their hardest to rig it.

    Witness the four Federal court decisions from this week alone -- the ones overturning voter-suppression laws in four different states.

    -- Wisconsin: "On Friday, a federal judge struck down a string of restrictive Wisconsin election laws passed in recent years, finding that they were tailored to benefit the Republicans who enacted them and unfairly disenfranchised minority voters. .... "The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities," U.S. District Judge James Peterson wrote."

    -- North Carolina: "Many provisions of the 2013 bill 'target African-Americans with almost surgical precision', Judge Diana Motz wrote. North Carolina Republicans' 'true motivation' behind the law, she went on, was not to combat voter fraud but to keep reliably Democratic black voters... away from the polls."

    The same happened in Kansas and Texas -- four states in just one week.

    THIS is the sort of election rigging we need to watch out for and fight against!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 8:11 a.m.

    This demonstrates that he is preparing to bump Hannity on Fox and will attack more. There is probably a deal to give him the vacant leadership position at Fox. He can help Putin while there instead of the oval office.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:37 a.m.

    ‘Trump suggests general election could be 'rigged'’

    ========

    Of COURSE Trump would say that,
    HE himself just publically asked the RUSSIANS to help do it...

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:34 a.m.

    Been rigged ever since 88. They are rigged to keep people like Ross Perot and Ron Paul out. Unlike those others, Trump has no substance.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:31 a.m.

    Oh gosh,

    Here we go again!

    Trump is trying to strike more fear in the electorate. I believe he's also trying to justify is current failures. "It's the system, not ME!"

    The whole Trump phenomena is embarrassing!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:29 a.m.

    So the world isn't kneeling at his feet and he can't understand it, so it must be rigged. Folks, if ever there was a chance for a totalitarian to head the country, it's this guy. Run away. Republicans, please start putting nation before party. You know better in your hearts that Trump should never be President. Cut your loses and offer the country something better in 2020 (if you are able).

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:23 a.m.

    When trump loses he's not going to go quietly, and certainly not with dignity. He's just foreshadowing it.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:15 a.m.

    @SLars
    While what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders was absolutly dirty politics, it was all about finding a way to attack his beliefs so he wouldn't win the primary....That's not the same as rigging an election. No where is there an email talking about, say, not counting votes that people cast for him(and in most states it was the state government that ran the primary, not the party) I fail to see how the actions of the DNC rise to the level of "rigging" an election.

  • DavidMiller Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:11 a.m.

    Donald Trump is right - the election is rigged.

    Exhibit A: we got Donald Trump as a candidate.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 2, 2016 7:04 a.m.

    I am shocked at the number of people I know who are dumping Trump.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 6:29 a.m.

    Pretty early to be giving reasons why you lost to get a slot on Fox new to talk continuously bad about the President. Will be slotted before or after Hannity.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 2, 2016 5:48 a.m.

    @ SLars

    "Three articles about Trump today, and no mention of Hillary still denying she sent classified emails?"

    Tell your boy to cede center stage and I'm sure they will. But he just can't do it. He craves attention. He must have the spotlight.

    DT: The best player on Team Hillary.

  • Edward777 eugene, OR
    Aug. 2, 2016 4:33 a.m.

    I was in Russia a few years ago during their presidential elections and I can assure you that they were very fair and honest. I noticed a great deal of participation from all parties and the involvement of regular people in the process was phenomenal. That said I have witnessed how the primary election was stolen from Bernie by the Democrat elite and how the other party tried to steal it from Donald. I think there should be a demand from Trump that impartial international observers be invited to monitor the presidential election as the USA appears to have de-evolved into some sort of banana republic governed by trans-national interests and misinformed as to their state (fate) by a centralized media oligarchy.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Aug. 2, 2016 2:54 a.m.

    @RP888

    Can you vouch for the same in New York, New Jersey, and Chicago? Just wondering.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 12:41 a.m.

    Trump suggests . . .

    Was this something he read in the National Enquirer?

    He gets a lot of his information from that source apparently. That and whatever he makes up.

    Rigged? With a schedule set over a year ago before the primaries for each political party? One can see Trump filing a lawsuit if he loses since that is his modus operandi in these situations.

    Maybe Trump expected to get half of Bernie's supporters and can't seem to figure out why they're not coming to him. Here's a clue: Trump's not their guy!

    Those Republicans who have condemned Donald Trump for the terrible things he says need to take that final step and withdraw their endorsement. However, we understand that Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan will still vote for anything that will give them the conservative Supreme Court justice for which they have sold their souls.

    Republican strategist recognize that Trump will not get more than 40% of the vote in a general election. He has plateaued with his base and cannot go any higher since no one else will vote for him. It's a dark world for the Republicans now. There's no light for them.

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    Aug. 2, 2016 12:36 a.m.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. The election is rigged. Everything is biased against me.

    Whatever.

    Donald Trump - The gift that just keeps on giving.

  • Tanguero Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 12:17 a.m.

    Thid Barker
    Victor, ID

    "Trump has a 97% chance of defeating Hillary this election."

    Whatever . . .

    . . . and pigs can fly.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 2, 2016 12:10 a.m.

    This Baker:

    Well the professor may be right but as many have said, Trump isn't a conventional candidate and this isn't a conventional election. And I doubt this is a conventional candidate. Another scenario is having Trump lose about as big as Dole did to Bill Clinton. Some are predicting a Goldwater scenario. I don't think it would be that bad. But anything can happen and as we see almost on a daily basis, he's just one press conference or speech away from something...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 11:57 p.m.

    Live by immediate twitter attacks, die as a result of immediate twitter responses. At least it was not Pokemon go that took out his campaign.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 11:57 p.m.

    A befitting quote from an article on zerohedge.

    “The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”—Joseph Stalin, dictator of the Soviet Union

    Al Gore would probably agree with Stalin on this.

    I've had a suspicion that Trump was how Hillary becomes president. Main stream media reporting results of manipulated polls to make it appear that Hillary is leading, then when the rigged votes are counted in her favor it will be as expected.

    If you believe that Hillary is leading Trump, when most Democrats that supported Sanders refuse to vote for Hillary, You probably also believe the media's reporting of unemployment under 5%.

    lies, lies, and more lies.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 11:35 p.m.

    @Fred44

    Hillary doing an interview on Fox made a statement that was far more incredible than Trump. She said the FBI director said she never sent or received classified emails.

    Trump's comments come after wikileaks showed the Democrats fixed the primary against Bernie. We are seeing the media report Trumps mistakes, but they are ignoring Hillarys.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2016 10:49 p.m.

    SLars,

    Thanks for the updated talking points from the far right talking heads on the radio today. The reason no one is talking about Hillary is because Trump takes one foot out of his mouth and puts the other in faster than anyone can keep up with. Hillary just needs to sit back and shut up and let Trump do himself in.

    Hillary may represent all that is wrong with politics in America, but Trump is a self absorbed out of control little child in an adult body who has no personal control, discipline or a filter. We shouldn't be surprised because this is the guy who trades his wives in about every ten years on a newer younger version.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 10:11 p.m.

    Pence should just end the pain and suffering right now by turning in his resignation as Trump's running mate/VP candidate. Otherwise, he just drags his good name through the embarrassment that is Trump every single day. Have you seen "Groundhog Day"? That is Pence's life right now.

    Just leave these two hooligans and scoundrels and vote for Gary Johnson.

  • RP888 Layton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:58 p.m.

    I have worked with hundreds of men and women in Utah who run the elections for more than 20 years. I can vouch for their honesty and dedication to running fair and open elections. I find Mr. Trump's comments highly offensive and completely untrue.

  • Lets check the facts Santa Fe, NM
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:49 p.m.

    I think Gore claimed the same thing

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:19 p.m.

    Trump is the greatest, most amazing sore loser ever!

    Ordinary sore losers wait until after they lose to come up with mildly weak excuses. Sad! Pathetic!

    Trump offers up only biggest and best weak excuses, well ahead of schedule.

    The general election that won't occur for another 3 months was rigged? Sure, why not.

    Stone carvers at Mount Rushmore are purposefully dragging their feet finishing his likeness? He is hearing more and more about such unfairness! Election at risk! Terrible!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:16 p.m.

    Already preparing his concession speech. "It was rigged" sounds better than " Americans woke up".

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:06 p.m.

    Bernie knows it can happen.

    Three articles about Trump today, and no mention of Hillary still denying she sent classified emails?

    Let's start seeing some intellectual honesty in the media.

  • geekusprimus Little Elm, TX
    Aug. 1, 2016 9:04 p.m.

    I wouldn't put it past Clinton to have the election rigged, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see Trump pulling the same bologna. This election has turned into a three-ring circus.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:49 p.m.

    Two comments in an prelax is already trying to change the subject.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:19 p.m.

    Unhinged

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:12 p.m.

    Americans have always been free to vote in an election, as long as it is according to the powers that make sure you vote for one of their options! It isn't that the system is rigged. It is that the voters are so naive and ignorant that they will vote for who the media and the powers that be want you to vote for! Education is important and perhaps some are catching on, but I am not hopeful. It is better to sit back and watch the charade and the destruction of a once great society and land. At least you can answer to God that you weren't a part of the charade!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:11 p.m.

    If Professor Norpath of Stony Brook college is correct, Trump has a 97% chance of defeating Hillary this election. He established an interesting model that correlates a candidate's perfomance in primary elections and patterns in election cycles since 1912 and his model has an accuracy rate of 96.!%. Given the very recent dismal Dept. of Commerce report that shows our economy grew only about 1% this year is another indicator (not prof. Norpath's but historical) in that no incumbent party has won an election for president when economic growth has been so anemic! Obama's conjecture about how well our economy is doing will fall on deaf ears for millions of Americans who are struggling to find a decent job and pay their bills! "Good Morning President Trump" is becoming more likely everyday!

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:07 p.m.

    The DNC fixed the primary, so why not? They have had practice.

    On “Fox News Sunday” Hillary said that FBI Director James Comey confirmed her statements on her email scandal were “truthful”. Clinton cited Comey when asked to account for her repeated claims that she never sent or received material marked classified on her personal email account. Chris Wallace noted that Comey said those things were not true, Clinton disagreed. “That's not what I heard Director Comey say.

    Yes, anything could happen this year.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 1, 2016 8:03 p.m.

    Yeah, he better say something bat crazy to get the media of the Khan story...

    The Donald is always thinking ahead.