Well GaryO, that's certainly the narrative that Robby Mook, the Clinton
Campaign Manager, has been peddling all day. If believing it makes you feel
better about supporting Hillary, who am I to talk you out of it. But if I were a democrat, I would feel used and manipulated. After all the
Russians certainly didn't write those emails. Doesn't it bother you
that you really never had a choice in your nominee? The democrat elites picked
Hillary, put all of you through a sham primary to make you feel like you had a
choice, and now its coronation week. Honestly this is almost like
when Saddam Hussein held elections and won overwhelmingly every time. Everyone
knew it was a farce and there was no other possible outcome. Democrats have been
played for the same fools as those poor Iraqis. Are you cool with that?
Hung our heads and gave up on being democrats? It wasn't pretty on the
democrat side today. But nothing is going to make us 'come over to the dark
side' of republicanism. Not after that horrible mess of a trump coronation,
with it's lack of leadership, anger, fear and darkness.
@Thid. You're conflating two things. First, was
there wrong doing? Legal wrongdoing? Ethical wrongdoing that did not violate
laws? The bit of analysis I've seen is unsure - it seems like
DWS and the DNC preferred Clinton - which makes some sense, Clinton is a
longtime Democratic member and politician, Sanders is an ally. But there does
not - at this point - seem to be actual violation of law. (Ethics is another
discussion.)The second question is much different. Who released the
emails? A Sanders ally? A Clinton hater? A Russion "hacker"? An agent or
agency of the Russian government? Whoever released it had a reason - to harm the
Clinton campaign. (Again, this is separate from the legality and ethics of the
email content.) Some analysts say that the electronic source codes
on the release indicate it come from servers used in Russian attacks on various
defense systems. If true, it raises questions as to the motives and
goals of the hackers. Again, the motive to release apparently damaging
information that would aid Trump is totally separate from the content of what
If there was no wrong doing, it wouldn't matter that the Russians got a
hold of the e-mails.Sad that many folks have low expectations for
political leadership, and would make excuses for corrupt leadership.Lets blame Bush, Trump, and the Republicans. Right wing conspiracy?Liberal rubbish!
@ Ginger Marshall: Ok, I get it now! Its the Russians' fault the Democratic
party is so corrupted? I thought it was GWB's fault! Dang! Didn't Mitt
Romney warn us that the Russians were our biggest geo-political enemy and the
Demos went ballistic? Now, the Dems are saying Mitt was right??? Do you hear
laughter? Not from the GOP but from the rest of the world? Democrats are making
fools of themselves on the world stage!
The elephant in the room is the financial ties between Trump and the Russian
banks and Russian Oligarchs. As early as 2008 one of the Trump kids was bragging
at a real estate seminar about the amount of Russian money invested in Trump
projects around the world. Trump stumbling around, mired in his
usual law suits does not help the wealthy Russians. Trump as president, however,
is a very different picture. DWS needed to go. She resigned and
Clinton offered her an "honorary" position as a soft landing. The emails
show partisanship but there is no actual claim of wrong-doing or illegal acts.
Sort of like the RNC and Trump. Nobody wanted him, they got him anyway. Sanders
is not and has never been one of the Democratic Party insiders or loyalists. He
ran D because his fans overlap with the D base, not because he has been a D for
decades. The real story... Was it the same Russian agencies that
hacked the Joint Chiefs? If so, why? Follow the money.
Hey Thid Barker -"Today millions of Americans hung their heads
in shame and stopped being Democrats!"Really? I don't know
of any that have, and I probably know more Democrats than you do.Name just ONE.Besides, what do Dems have to be ashamed of?My Party has not aligned itself on the side of our "greatest
geopolitical foe" AGAINST America."[Russia] is without
question our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight for every cause for the
world's worst actors."The Democratic Party is NOT one of
the "world's worst actors" supported by Putin and the Russian
Government.The OTHER major political Party in America enjoys that
distinction.But I don't expect Trumpians to be ashamed of
themselves.One must have integrity and a sense of right and wrong to
putin and trump are two peas out of the same pod.putin can't
wait to destroy Americans enabled by the cowardly re-Publican traitors who love
putin.The Democrats dumped "wasserman-schultz"...When will the re-Publicans do the right thing and dump trump?Never?Exactly.
Hey Harrison Bergeron -"A single Russian hacker is conflated to
be the entire Russian government acting to influence the outcome of the election
. . . "Who said it was a "single Russian hacker," and
why would any sensible person even assume that? After all, Russia's
government is infamously known to have an extensive international hacking
program.Besides, Putin and Trump are quite cozy with each other. The
two plutocrats have expressed their mutual admiration . . . And then there is
the FACT that Trump has THREATENED our NATO allies.And guess why
NATO was formed in the first place. NATO was formed to protect us all from
RUSSIAN aggression.Why would the Russian government NOT see it in
their best interest to support Trump and his Republicans against Clinton and
patriotic Democrats? Trump, with all his tough talk, stands for a weak NATO
and a America and a comparatively strong Russia. That's why the Russians
want to make him our President.Face it Harrison, a vote for
Republicans is a vote AGAINST America.THAT is why Russia, our
enemy, is doing its best to influence the election in favor of Republicans.
"A compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously, and the
FBI will continue to investigate and hold accountable those who pose a threat in
cyberspace,"...unless your running for office of the president
of the United States, and our boss hails from the same political party. In which
This is just too rich. Did "Russia" write those emails? Did
"Russia" defraud every Democrat in America by "rigging" the
primaries? Did "Russia" send Bill Clinton to talk to the U.S Attorney
General in an airplane parked at an Arizona airport to NOT indict Hillary for
lying when the FBI had overwhelming evidence, which it revealed to America
showing when she lied and how often she lied? Was "Russia" reposonsible
for Hillary hiring DWS immediately after DWS was shown to have defrauded
America's voters in the Democrat's primaries?Isn't it
obvious to even the most naive that the Democrats destroyed themselves by
crowning Hillary President before any election had taken place?
Today millions of Americans hung their heads in shame and stopped being
Utahbluedevil--Obama tells Medvedev he would have more flexibility
after his election...for what? Presumably to negotiate missiles. Why would Obama wait until after the election? Was it like "you can keep
your insurance plan, you can keep your doctor, and the average household will
save $2500/month" type of message? In other words, something that Americans
would not like if they knew the truth?Shortly after the election
Russia annexes parts of Ukraine--was that part of Obama's
"flexibility"?So now Russia hacks into the DNC and Trump is
in on the job, right? That's would some Dems are saying.Or,
was the hack job facilitated by Hillary's "flexibility" using
non-secure servers and Blackberry devices? Democrats are sure
"flexible" with America's security these days.
This is funny. A single Russian hacker is conflated to be the entire Russian
government acting to influence the outcome of the election, because Russians
would rather have Trump in office than Hillary.Why? Because they are
tired of using Hillary as a doormat? They are bored with her and Obama letting
them invade Crimea and shoot down passenger airlines with no repercussions? Or, maybe they are feeling remorse about using the Clinton foundation to
buy favors like State Department approval of the Russian government buying 20%
of U.S. uranium assets?
GaryO Time to take off the tinfoil hat and quit buying the
conspiracy theory that Trump is in bed with the Russians. How desperate theymust
be to make up a story like that withno evidence.
So -- Bernie Sanders was RIGHT after all.There WAS an agenda by the
DNC to keep him out of the running.As a Bernie Sanders supporter,
I'm really hurt by this, and really struggling a tough sell for
Clinton now.BUT -- To also discover that it was the Russians
attempt to promote Donald TRUMP makes it even worse...I still may
not vote for Hillary Clinton, but my case against that small fingered
vulgarian traitor just kicked into hyper-gear...
David.... working with someone doesn't mean you are doing anything
nefarious. Have you never been in business negotiations? Good grief.....
talk about grasping as straws......That said..... I am so glad
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is gone. She not only needs to be no longer the
chairperson, but also out of office. She is decisive at best, and irritating
almost always. She is part of the partisan problem we have.....leadership by
snakiness. I can hardly wait until the 2020 elections when hopefully
this election cycle nightmare will be done...
Wasserman is corrupt and a liar. What came out in the leak was already known by
all and it only validates what intelligent people suspected. In the next few
days, the FBI will validate the Russian connection and security analyst will
give us a proper explanation on how and why they did what they did. But
it's fairly obvious to intelligent, non partisan observers. In the
mean time, watch Sanders and the majority of supporters jump on Hillary's
bandwagon because the alternative is way to unpalatable for their liking.
Democrats are claiming Russia favors Trump?And yet Obama told
Medvedev that after his 2012 election he would have more freedom to work with
Russia and Putin. What did that mean?Who really is in
the pocket of Putin?
Look at the hysterical Hillary Supporters frantically trying to blame this all
on Trump. Meanwhile, the part of the party they stabbed in the back is out
there chanting "Lock her up!" It's not Trump supporters or
Republicans chanting this, folks. You cannot blame Republicans for the DNC
openly conspiring to help Hillary.As for the Russian angle.... just
think: we all know that Russia has read Hillary's emails. They have them.
Think of the blackmail opportunities there are for Russia to blackmail President
Hillary. And yet, they are allegedly trying to elect Trump--despite
Hillary selling them half of the Uranium in the US and shutting down the big oil
pipeline. What do the Russians know about Hillary that they are trying to
sabotage her like this? Because Hillary has already done more for the Russians
than anyone has accused Trump of maybe doing. In short, the pro-Russian
candidate is Hillary, hands down. And yet, they are trying to take her out?
Square that one, leftists.
We all knew the Democrats were corrupt. I love it when proof comes out where no
one, and I mean NO ONE, can dispute it. Even the Open Minded Mormon
Liberals, and the LDS Liberals, and the Furrys.....The truth always
comes out.However, every single one will make excuses and still vote
"How the emails were stolen hasn't been confirmed, but the Clinton
campaign pointed the finger at Russian hackers." Shocking how the Russians
hackers conveniently get to Clinton's emails now but never got to the much
less secure home server in Billy's basement. This tells you they will do
and say anything to get electected
The Republicans are in league with the Russians? I thought it was someone else
who whispered over an open microphone "tell Vladimir that I'll have a
lot more flexibility after the election". Hmm, who was that? Let me
Espeinage by Russia to get Trump elected, to get us out of NATO, to break down
our world allegence, to make us less of a world power.No wonder
Putin loves Trump.
Wow! Debbiewassermanschultz booed off the stage. Guess the delegates aren't
buying the Russians for Trump nonsense.How about that 4-mile fence
keeping the Bernie supporters out? They are calling her 'Crooked
Hillary' (and worse).
Hopefully the DNC learns their lesson and won't store their emails on
Clinton's private server anymore...
As Wall Street, big banks and corporations get behind the Clinton campaign, it
is evident that the conspiracy and corruption in her candidacy is well planned.
"…that this government of the (powerful) people, by the
(establishment) people and for the (wealthy) people shall not
" Democrats who gleefully jeered Republican divisions last week awoke to a
political mess of their own making Monday . . . "Of their own
making??!Ha!DNC emails hacked by the Russian government
and then disseminated through the Wikileaks for the PURPOSE of getting Donald
Trump elected President?Where is the REAL scandal folks??Think about it.But consider this first:The Democratic
Party is the Party that is NOT in league with Vladimir Putin and our
nation's Russian enemies.