Orlando gunman raged against 'filthy ways of the west'

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  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2016 9:33 p.m.

    Turning the Orlando tragedy into a political campaign against anyone but the shooter and his circumstances is unethical political opportunism.

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    June 16, 2016 3:31 p.m.

    @MGoodwin --

    Check out these educational articles:

    "Right-Wing Extremists More Dangerous Than Islamic Terrorists In U.S." -- NPR 6/24/15
    "The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat" -- NYT 6/16/15
    "Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11" -- NYT 6/24/15

    From NYT: "In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations."

    "the only ones that have gone above 10 kills in an incident was Oklahoma City"


    DC Naval Yard -- 12 killed, 3 injured
    Newtown, CT -- 27 killed, 1 injured
    Aurora, CO -- 12 killed, 58 injured
    Binghamton Civic Association -- 13 killed, 4 injured
    Virginia Tech -- 32 killed, 17 injured
    Columbine -- 13 killed, 23 injured

    Shall I continue?

    "let's look at the rest of the world"

    No, sorry. We're talking about US laws and US shootings, not international law or international shootings. And you might not want to bring other countries into this, since most European countries have much lower homicide rates than we do.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    June 16, 2016 3:20 p.m.

    Re: I'm so ready for leadership in Washington again.

    Thank goodness the re-Publican 2016 nominee will go back to what he does best...spining never ending conspiracy theories...as whomever becomes the President Elect moves forward with a serious, sober approach to the most important job on the planet.

  • MGoodwin Murray/USA, UT
    June 16, 2016 2:56 p.m.

    Yet somehow all of those listed incidents, the kill count absolutely paled in comparison to September 11th alone, that's before you add Orlando, Fort Hood, San Bernadino and the others to it, by comparison my side is pretty bad at being able to do much damage, the only ones that have gone above 10 kills in an incident was Oklahoma City (dude was an anarchist by the way, but whatever) the others were all above that number. Then just for fun, let's look at the rest of the world, I'll even exclude the Middle East from the Radical Islamist Hall of Fame; Moscow Theater attack, the Paris attack, Madrid train bombings, the attack on the Russian elementary school, the London subway bombings, the attack in Mumbai, etc. those have all been since the start of the new millennium, the left is grasping at straws trying to justify this corner that they have painted itself into, but there's no excuse to ignore the literal tens of thousands of victims the insane ideology has claimed.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 16, 2016 2:30 p.m.

    Did you notice that Obama keeps telling us that there is no evidence he had handlers in the middle east...as though that makes much difference.

    He said the same about San Bernardino until links began to appear that it wasn't just Bonnie and Clyde acting alone.

    This case is unraveling the same way. Wives...visits to the middle ease...his father linked to rerrorist groups...FBI files going back years...

    The more they dig the more dots that connect.

    But by the time the picture unfolds all we get is, "At this point, what difference does it make."

    I'm so ready for leadership in Washington again.

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    June 16, 2016 1:42 p.m.

    @MGoodwin --

    "you've got a much bigger threat than us mean old conservatives"

    Yeah, no.

    Just a few examples:

    Planned Parenthood shooter
    Charleston church shooter
    Oklahoma City bomber
    Olympic Park bomber and other associated bombings, including a gay nightclub
    Unitarian Church shooter in Knoxville
    Sikh Temple shooter
    Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooter

    And many others. You know what? They were all home-grown conservatives.

    "Maybe you can adopt the French gun laws, it did a great job keeping those people slaughtered in Paris safe."

    The homicide rate in France is **one-fifth** of the rate here in the US. Their gun laws are working just fine, thanks.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 16, 2016 1:20 p.m.

    Sounds a lot like what I hear some Latter-Day Saints saying as well...

    You start banning guns to Muslims because of a few nuts,
    Mormons will not be far behind...

    the Bundy's and the Oregon Bird Refuge come quickly to mind....

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    June 16, 2016 12:58 p.m.

    And yet other reports say he was a frequent patron to the gay bar, and in one instance has proposed to another chap, who at the time had not come out, and declined the proposal. It sounds like he had deep internal conflict between the faith of his ancestors, and some tendencies he had not come to grips with. To me it sound like this act was his own way of dealing with this internal struggle.

    As far as his being an ISIS operative, he may have had feelings for ISIS, but I seriously doubt he was under any direction of ISIS. Just because you claim the Utes or Cougars, that doesn't make you either. It just makes you a supported.

    I think this guy just couldn't reconcile his own personal feelings..... snapped.... and sought to hide those issues through this act. I could be wrong..... we shall find out someday.

  • MGoodwin Murray/USA, UT
    June 16, 2016 12:51 p.m.

    Yeah, that's also ignoring Major Hassan, the Nashville shooter, San Bernardino, and countless failed attempts by radical islamists, you've got a much bigger threat than us mean old conservatives with our bibles and guns. Maybe you can adopt the French gun laws, it did a great job keeping those people slaughtered in Paris safe.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 16, 2016 11:26 a.m.

    @Pac 12 Pride;

    And among the many other attacks in the US between the two you listed were several done by White Christians. (1) Sandy Hook, (2) Colorado Movie Theater, (3) Planned Parenthood attack.

    Why fail to mention those? Because they aren't Muslim and it doesn't fit into your anti-Muslim propaganda?

  • Pac 12 Pride Salt Lake, UT
    June 16, 2016 10:32 a.m.

    This was the deadliest attack on US soil since 9-11. What do the 2 have in common?

    Weapon choice? No
    Specific group targeted? No

    Done by Terrorist Muslims? Yep

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 16, 2016 10:23 a.m.

    You want to see what the real cause for the loss of Religion Freedom in America will be - this is it.

    NOT -- Gay Marriage
    NOT -- Abortion
    NOT -- Porn
    NOT - Smoking, Drinking or Gambling

    But it will be Religious zealots like this one.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 16, 2016 6:00 a.m.

    Currently we have 323,341,000 people in the United States. Percentages would say we have more than one nut job who wants to take a gun and mass kill people.

    Colorado Springs is still dealing with the radicalized conservative terrorist Robert Deer (On November 27, 2015, a gunman attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado. A police officer and two civilians were killed; five police officers and four civilians were injured.)

    Unless we come together and stop negative propaganda and change our gun laws we can expect to see more mass shootings.