Possible motives emerge for club gunman as Orlando mourns

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  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    June 15, 2016 5:27 a.m.

    @patriot --

    "why did he do it?

    explanations from the left:
    1.He saw an AR-15 in a magazine and it made him want to kill people.
    2.Christians made him do it

    So 1+2 == ban all guns and Christianity then Muslims will like us and we will be safe."

    Multiple egregious straw men above. Nobody on these boards has said any such thing.

    "How does living in fear feel?"

    What fear? You are the one who feels the need to purchase weapons. If anyone is living in fear, you ought to be able to tell us how that feels.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2016 2:19 p.m.

    TRUTH
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "So Many have tried including Hilary and Obama to link this guy with the NRA and Conservatives . . . Then why does he represent all Gun owners?"

    Don't be silly and make connections where none exist. No one is linking the shooter with the NRA and conservatives. He does not represent all gun owners. He represents himself, period. He did as the NRA wants all of us to do, he went out and bought guns. His use of his guns was not NRA approved. Do you get that?

    You need to stop with the ridiculous excuses that are inconsistent with the facts. This is as bad as Donald Trump suggesting that President Obama somehow has prior knowledge of these events and approves since he is a secret Muslim. Such talk gets us nowhere. Perhaps you should change your moniker from TRuTH to CONSPIRACY.

    The only relationship the shooter had with all gun owners is that he owned guns. So stop with the insinuations and get real. Responsible gun owners don't commit mass shootings. That doesn't mean that all people should have access to high-powered weapons with high-capacity ammunition clips.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2016 2:05 p.m.

    Husker1
    Northern Utah County, UT

    "Do you want to see real hate that makes America look like a kindergarten class?? "

    That'correct because hate is accepted there as right. But we are talking about the United States and the levels of hate we find here. This shouldn't be. We have no control about what happens elsewhere, but we do have control here. We have too much. It is being sanctioned by forces which should know better. Hate is used politically to expand the power of a few as we have seen historically.

    Whenever there have been periods of unrest, demagogues have risen from the depths and used hateful speech to reach out to the baser nature of the people, and those willing to come forth have joined with the demagogue to assist in his/her rise to power. Father Coughlin, Lester Maddox, and George Wallace are names that come to mind. Today we have Donald Trump assisting ISIS in the spread of rhetoric that brings more young people into the terrorist world by isolating them and exploiting their anger.

    Hate is a terrifying emotion that reaches down into the depth of one's soul and destroys it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 14, 2016 1:58 p.m.

    why did he do it?

    explanations from the left:
    1.He saw an AR-15 in a magazine and it made him want to kill people.
    2.Christians made him do it

    So 1+2 == ban all guns and Christianity then Muslims will like us and we will be safe.

    All sarcasm aside these are actually being stated by the left and I think some of the zombies actually beleive it!!

    This is what hope n change REALLY ends up looking like at the end of the day ...or Obama's term. How does living in fear feel?

    By the way my son -in - law owns an AR-15. We went target shooting a month ago-- what a SWEET gun!!! The AR-15 is the gun of choice for deer and wild pigs in many parts of the US inclduing Alaska (I lived there for 2 years) and Texas and the rest of the south. By the way, my wife's 9mm hand gun can do just as much damage as an AR-15. Both are semi-auto. On the flip side, thank heaven for the semi-auto and all the Americans it protects!!! Freedom's safest place is the NRA!!

  • rusby Minneapolis, MN
    June 14, 2016 1:46 p.m.

    True hate and violence will always exist as long as people rely on different identities to deal with life's challenges. We need to rely on what makes us similar and not what differentiates us.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2016 1:06 p.m.

    So Many have tried including Hilary and Obama to link this guy with the NRA and Conservatives........but yet they will not link him to Muslims or Homosexuals!

    So for a minute picture the face of Mateen........now ask yourself:

    If this guy does not represent ALL Muslims or Homosexuals.......

    Then why does he represent all Gun owners?

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    June 14, 2016 12:21 p.m.

    @Husker1 --

    "Your "stop the hate" message is 100% on target. Violence and hatred are so wrong. Do you want to see real hate that makes America look like a kindergarten class?? Go over to the Middle East and visit some countries that practice Sharia Law."

    I agree with you that there is a lot of work to be done over there. But we don't help that problem by fear mongering about Muslims here in the US.

    Remember -- the guy in California and the guy in Orlando DID have something in common -- but it wasn't Islam.

  • MGoodwin Murray/USA, UT
    June 14, 2016 11:19 a.m.

    Interesting theory, but I think that perhaps he was casing the joint and not necessarily a participant. He knew when the best time to commence his attack was, early in the morning on one of the busiest days of the year for that nightclub, there's a lot of preparation that went into this massacre. I think unless there is some pretty substantial evidence, the motive is probably going to be ascribing to radical islamist ideals.

    I wonder what exactly it is about this particular twisted version of Islam is so attractive to so many? There aren't any excuses, people at this point should be well aware of all the horrors ISIS has committed, so why are people still being drawn to it?

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    June 14, 2016 11:02 a.m.

    @Chris B --

    "The oppressor once again in this case is within the LGBT community."

    No. The oppressor is society at large, which twists some LGBTs against themselves through its constant messages of belittlement and hate.

    Stop the hate!

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    June 14, 2016 10:42 a.m.

    @contrariuses

    Your "stop the hate" message is 100% on target. Violence and hatred are so wrong. Do you want to see real hate that makes America look like a kindergarten class?? Go over to the Middle East and visit some countries that practice Sharia Law. Hang out with ISIS for a few weeks. Your "stop the hate" message wouldn't go over well there. That is the real enemy and that ideology was the biggest contributor to the Orlando shooter's mindset.

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    June 14, 2016 10:10 a.m.

    @Third try screen name --

    "You forgot Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson."

    There are *many* other names not on that list.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2016 10:06 a.m.

    Certainly an interesting development that the terrorist frequented gay bars including the one he attacked.

    The oppressor once again in this case is within the LGBT community. So often those in the LGBT community want to point their fingers at the pro traditional family crowd when in reality time and time again, and in this case we have learned, the finger should be pointing at the mirror by the LGBT community.

    He was one of their own.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 14, 2016 9:48 a.m.

    @Contrary
    You forgot Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson.

  • Contrariuses mid-state, TN
    June 14, 2016 9:23 a.m.

    So many times we see that the most virulently homophobic people -- whether in private life or in public office -- turn out to be gay themselves. Society's constant messages of hatred and belittlement and othering and shaming -- telling LGBTs that they are flawed, that they are sinners, that they are perverts and less equal than everyone else, that they deserve less than everyone else -- turns some people against themselves in a vicious cycle of self-hatred.

    And no, this isn't just some made-up theory. See, for instance:

    Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1996. "Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?"

    Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2012. "Parental autonomy support and discrepancies between implicit and explicit sexual identities: Dynamics of self-acceptance and defense."

    The list goes on -- and on:

    Ted Haggard
    Glenn Murphy
    George Rekers
    Larry Craig
    Troy King
    Richard Curtis
    David Dreier
    Bruce Barclay
    Bob Allen
    Father Matthew Makela
    etc.

    When will society finally figure out that sowing the seeds of hatred only leads to violence and destruction?

    Stop the hate!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 14, 2016 8:21 a.m.

    The Voldemort Mentality in America is lethal.