Looks like DT was a lot more in control of his impulsiveness this past debate. I
think his wife and campaign's senior staff have been talking to him to tone
it down just a notch. No matter what the end result is going to be, if half of
the GOP actually ended up not showing vote for the eventual nominee, the they
better not be belly aching if they don't win the White House. Why not cast
your ballot and if your favorite candidate takes the POTUS's job or not, at
least you know that you did your part in doing your civic duty.
Thid BarkerVictor, ID"Let me get this straight! Trump is
to blame for causing liberals to be violent?"What in your mind
is a liberal? You say you like Rafael Cruz, right? Do you consider anyone Left
of the "true conservative" a liberal? What about all the other political
ideologies involved. There could be people who support the other candidates.
There could be anarchists. There could be socialists or communists. Even
facists.The violence comes from the Trump supporters in the
audience. Some (not all) protesters make more overt attempts at disruption, but
the police and security personnel will handle those people. There is no place
for shoving, pushing, hitting, kicking, or taking down a protester. As for Trump, he likes to instigate and encourage his audience to such action.
In his first few rallies, I thought the "protesters" were a plant just
to excite the crowd. The reactions were relatively peaceful and security quickly
moved in to handle the situation. But later they became more violent as
supporters took action and security stood back. Then I realized that a change
had taken place in the show. Trump became more aggressive in his remarks.
@thid and worfTrump is responsible for his calls for violance, his
supporters and those that oppose him that have turned towards violance are
responsible for thier actions. It is not either or it is both. First amendment
rights have never extended to in sighting violance a line clearly crossed by
Let me get this straight! Trump is to blame for causing liberals to be violent?
I get it now! Its best not to speak if you might enrage liberals! I wonder why
conservatives who don't agree with Hillary don't start fights and
shout her down at her rallies? We are beginning to see what liberalism produces
@Thid Barker"I am not a Trump supporter but I can't recall him
ever stoking any fires for violence or supressing free speech."He said just yesterday morning that people need to "hit back" at
protesters more. There were several quotes of his brought up in the debate that
are along the same theme. He said he'd promise to pay the legal fees of
anyone who got in trouble for hitting protesters (guess he didn't keep that
"promise" after the sucker-punch incident a few days ago). He told
security in Burlington, Vermont to throw the protester out and take his coat (it
was about 10F outside at the time).
@worfSame place as Trump. Home watching a civil discussion between
candidates instead of the vile, racist and violent rallies we are all being
subjected to now.
Trump was spoken to in the only language he knows last night. And, although he
denies it in his reality, he is entirely responsible for it happening. at
the end of the day, it'll be interesting to see what the anger he's
stoked does when President Clinton is sworn in to office.
Finally! Trump's, racist, insulting, demeaning remarks and lies are coming
back to haunt him. The most divisive candidate since George Wallace. The
American people are going to do what the GOP can't- shut him down.
The authorities in Chicago had things under control, and indicted their ability
to handle any protests. But, because he knew he would face people who opposed
him, and who were protesting the balderdash he promulgated at every opportunity,
Trump (fearing opposition and criticism) chose to tuck his tail between his legs
and whine and run away. And this is someone who wants to be the president? I
cringe at the idea of him trying that in international negotiation.Personally, I find it easy to believe that Trump orchestrated the whole
controversy, so he didn't have to face opposition (including but not
limited to, in the past, his demand for removal of any peaceful protestors
including the woman who did nothing but wear a hijab to a meeting, his demand
for removal of anyone who contested him, and his "wish", expressed in a
rally in Fayetteville, NC, that someone would bash a protestor in the nose and
Donald would pay any defense costs). Donald was (and is) clearly of a mind to
deny anyone who didn't support him their rights to assemble and protest.No Thanks! We don't need him. In his own words -- Donald,
Yes! I have clearly heard Trump stoking the fires that have led to these events
at his rallies. Difficult as it is to watch this man, I do watch the footage of
him at his events and the comments he's made. His actions at debates have
also been despicable. This quote from the article that references what Trump
said, "...the anger on display in Chicago wasn't directed at him or his
campaign, but rather was a manifestation of the public's deep frustration
with economic conditions in the country" shows he's either lying or out
of touch with reality.
@Thid Barker: "I am not a Trump supporter but I can't recall him ever
stoking any fires for violence or supressing free speech."Just
watched a collection of clips of Trump at rallies calling for protesters to be
ejected, openly saying they should be roughed up, promising to pay legal bills
for his supporters if they're charged with assault, calling for a return to
the "good old days" when "those people" could be beat up by
"real Americans" without fear of legal consequences. This
was Trump, on stage, uncut, calling for violence.
Hey Thid Barker -"I am not a Trump supporter but I can't
recall him ever stoking any fires for violence or suppressing free speech. Can
you? "Well then, you need to pay attention.When
Trump supporters punch protesters in the face to get them to shut up,
that's suppressing free speech, don't you think? What would you call
it?Trump himself is the inspiration for the illegal,
free-speech-suppressing behavior of his poorly educated supporters.'I'd like to punch him in the face" - Donald Trump"I love the poorly educated." - Donald TrumpTrump's
decision to cut and run was probably the right thing, don't you think?". . . the floodgates of hate, vitriol, fear, disrespect and
obstructionism, go back several years, and very likey had it's birth that
fateful morning in 2007 when speaker of the house McConnell made the statement
"it is our goal to see that Mr. Obama is a one term president'!No . . . It goes back to the day when the Reagan administration
eliminated the Fairness Doctrine (look it up), thereby giving Right Wing lies
free rein to propagate unchecked and pollute the minds of gullible Americans.
@ Tolstoy"It sounds like for all his bluster and tough talk just
like any other bully when he does not have overwhelming odds he backs down and
Runs away..."Agreed. IMO, he also needs these rallies to be a
love fest of The Donald and protesters tend to kill the vibe. LOL!Mr. Trump cares not one whit about uniting this country. And for a guy who
supposedly tells it like it is, he's reliably PC when it comes to taking
responsibility for his own actions. "Who, me?" Nope. Always someone
else's fault. Incapable of seeing his own part. What a guy!
@Tolstoy,Please don't make Trump, or anyone else, responsible
for people behavior.People are responsible for their own actions.Mr Trump, through his own talents, has provided tens of thousands jobs
for the American people. No matter anyone spins this, it's true.
Where were these protesters four years ago?
Thid BarkerVictor, ID"I am not a Trump supporter but I
can't recall him ever stoking any fires for violence or supressing free
speech."You've never watched a Trump rally? You've
never heard him make offensive and inciting comments about how he'd like to
punch someone in the face, how a protester should have been carried out of the
room, and the blatant disregard for protesters safety and how his supporters
bully, push, and strike out?So, where have you been? Perhaps we can
assume since you are not a Trump supporter, you do not watch Trump rallies? The
whole Republican establishment is upset with Trump's incendiary speech at
provoking confrontation and urging his supporters to take action. It's like
a rally with Brown Shirts again roughing up unwanted protesters. Any
person acting in a confrontational way, ready to fight any person they
don't like including protesters and supporters is wrong. Peaceful protest
needs to be the order of the day. And Trump needs to caution his supporters to
be civil and not engage in violent behavior. Any misbehavior among protesters
can be dealt with immediately by police and security people.
Come now Third Barker have you not seen any clips of Trump at the pulpit telling
his supporters to punch out protestors? Look it up man. It's been
happening for months. And these were not protestors who were violent by any
stretch of the word. In one case there was a woman standing silently protesting
who was kicked and thrown to the ground. Trump has stated at rallies that he
would personally like to beat up protestors. Last night at a rally as
protestors were being led out an African-American was cold-cocked at point blank
range by a Trump supporter who said next time he would kill him. Trump
didn't condemn that, he just said he couldn't do anything about it.
Did he say that it was wrong and that sort of violance wouldn't be
tolerated. Nope. Everyone is entitled to free speech here. The
rally should have absolutely proceeded as it was planned. But the protestors
also had every right to be there. Violance should have had no part on either
side. But to say that Trump is completely blameless. Not hardly.
@thid He has made numerous comments about using violance against
protestors and has offered to pay the legal fees of anyone that gets arrested
for doing so. He has also stated on a few occasions that he would restrict the
medians free speech right and make it easier to sue them if the made negative
comments about him. I find it hard to believe claims that you have never heard
of these statements given his 24 7 coverage.
So reports coming from Chicago say that the arena was pretty evenly split
between pro Trump and anti Trumo supporters and tha the police told Trump that
the situation was managed and that thre was no need to cancel the rally. Trumps
campaign backed out anyway which lead to some limited violance and larger
protest. It sounds like for all his bluster and tough talk just like any other
bully when he does not have overwhelming odds he backs down and Runs away
(remember trump "skipping" the debate after Mehan Kelly stood her
ground?) I see a common pattern developing here.
@ Tolstoy: I am not a Trump supporter but I can't recall him ever stoking
any fires for violence or supressing free speech. Can you? Those purpetrating
the violence and supressing free speech is obvious, many of the protestors were
arrested for assualt! That's why Trump was forced to cancel his speach to
the cheers of those really oppose freedom. These are NOT the greatest Americans!
Great Americans do not behave that way!
@thid baker Violance and threats of violance are never alright, however it
is hard to buy Trump as a victim when he has been stoking the fires of violance
within his own ranks for months and stated he would move to restrict free speech
of anyone that opposed him if elected.
I watched the spectacle of the Trump cancelled rally on tv tonight, and thoght,
how on earth did we ever get to this point in American Politics! I discussed it
with friends over dinner and after alot of input, thought and discussion we
being both conservative and liberal came to the conclusion that the floodgates
of hate, vitriol, fear, disrespect and obstructionism, go back several years,
and very likey had it's birth that fateful morning in 2007 when speaker of
the house McConnell made the statement "it is our goal to see that Mr. Obama
is a one term president"!How better would it have been had he
said something to the affect "We did our best, and we lost the election, the
majority has spoken, it is now time to work to unite the country"!The Republicans spawned Trump, they groomed the playing field and now they own
Trump. I am a lifelong conservative, but I cannot claim the party that is
supposed to be representing conservatives. It is far from the conservative
party that I once knew and was proud of!
Free speech is only for liberals in America! So sad! All others need not apply!
Chicago.1968.The whole world's watching.