I was hoping the "new" charges against the Bundy's would be
insighting Mr. Finicum to commit suicide by cop,and a LDS Bishop's
The Oregonian/Oregonlive.com has the video mashup from the surveillance plane
and Shawna Cox's cellphone several commenters referred to on this thread.
It synchronizes the two perspectives. The Cox video answer's the question:
'What were they thinking?' Finicum and the other insurrectionists
believed they would have backup if they could reach a sovereign citizen movement
'constitutional' sheriff 50 about miles away from the traffic stop and
My two earlier postings ( 10:20 p.m. & 9:27 a.m. ) have ONLY been attempts
to inform DN internet readers of a new video showing two different views of this
tragic event. One view is from an aircraft and the other from within the
Finicum vehicle. I have said nothing that supports or condemns any person or
action thus far.I will comment now.Mr. Finicum and 3
other persons were stopped 2 times at roadblocks. Mr. Finicum was exceedingly
confrontational at both roadblocks. He verbally challenged the police several
times to shoot him at the first roadblock as he sat in the drivers seat. He
verbally said that other like minded colleagues were coming to help him. He
drove away from the first roadblock. He came close to running over one law
enforcement officer at the second roadblock. He exited the vehicle and was
verbally very confrontational. The tragic result of his confrontational actions
was his tragic death by gunshots.
@worfSo you consider a person committing fraud for at best a couple
hundred dollars a month more of a problem then people with guns running around
calling for a "blood bath?"
@FT,How many people have scammed the food stamp, or education
financial aid programs? Many have dishonestly sued?There's a
large circle of scammers and their like.Like I said, Ammon Bundy is
the least of American problems.
You don't have to get too mouthy to a cop writing you a speeding ticket to
get into a lot of trouble. To be armed and making threats of gunplay and
violence should have exponential consequences, as it did in this case. He
wanted to be a martyr and a hero and a rugged individualist, but he ended up a
@WorfI would agree with you. The Bundy's and their like are nothing
but an after thought except to their small circle of supporters. They'll
be locked up and forgotten and be nothing but a trivia pursuit question in just
a few years. I agree with a previous poster that these people surrounded
themselves with like minded people, and got caught up in their own echo chamber.
Now, Lavoy's family has to go on without him when he clearly had the
choice to live or die.
Ammon Bundy is the least of American problems.
This bird refuge fiasco will be the worst and most unsuccessful attempted coup
and revolution carried out by the most people. in recent history. A sad comment
on the fringe gun toting right.
@onion The combined video that is the companation of the two the separate
videos that clearly show he made multiple threats and charged from the truck
after running a previous road block? How exactly does it change the fact that he
threatened a "blood bath" refused to exit his vehicle at the first road
block threatened that he has back up on the way, told the officers to shot him
several times as he charged from the truck, and had a gun in his belt that he
repeatedly reached for after exiting the truck. He was a dangerous criminal that
was clearly determined to creat a "blood bath."
I wonder if it has begun to sink in with these people just how much trouble they
have gotten themselves into. They get together with their like minded friends
and talk. What they decided to do sounded very reasonable in that echo-chamber.
Now real life rears its ugly head.
The video that combines the view from an aircraft AND from within the Finicum
vehicle was released in the last 48 hours.My printed copy of the DN
received this morning ( March 10, 2016 ) in Payson contains no information about
the "combined" video. This new "combined" video is easily
accessed on the internet.
The video from inside the car clearly shows that Finnecum had a death wish. He
wanted an altercation and to be a martyr.
@onion So have you actually watched the video. At the first road block he
refuses to follow officers orders to exit the truck, he makes repeated threats
stating "this ends in a blood bath" and claims that he "has. back up
on the way." He repeatedly tells them to shot him before speeding away. As
soon as they get to the second road block you can see hin Junp out of the truck
and can hear him saying "go ahead and shot me." At no time during the
video can you see anything happening outside the truck. The video only further
supports the officers report that this man was a threat and that the shooting
@Onion DazeThey postes the aircraft video the day it was release. The
article hand almost 100 comments I'm sure you can find it. They
haven't posted video of from inside the car yet on the site but they have
two separate articles about it within the last week. It's pretty easy to
find on google or youtube.
Onion DazePayson, UTThis is amazing. It's like having a
real war cinematographer present. With all the shooting going on, an individual
had the presence of mind to expose himself/herself to hostile fire, maintain
focus on the shooting victim, and document all this with explanatory audio for
everyone to see. This must be some footage.And you say the DesNews
has this secret film? Did the FBI give it to them after they confiscated
everything in the car? Or did the person taking the video swallow the camera and
then smuggle it out of their jail cell and deliver it to the DesNews? And the
cameraperson must have had a fully-charged battery since 12.5 minutes with a
cell phone (assuming that was what was used) uses a lot of the battery.But you said film, right. That suggests it was not a digital camera or cell
phone but a camera capable of shooting film which means it was large and bulky.
Congratulations to the person operating the camera! That took guts.I
sure want to see this "film". I hope the DesNews releases it soon,
hopefully on TMZ.
There is a 12 minute and 33 second film showing the shooting of Mr. Finicum. It
presents the scene from above from a police aircraft and from inside the Finicum
vehicle. One of Mr. Finicum's passengers recorded the scene from inside
the Finicum vehicle. You can see the ongoing scene from both locations at the
same time.Will the DN also provide access to this film?
Actions have consequences, and those criminals should face the full extent of
the law. Taking arms against federal and local authorities is no joke. This
should be a good lessons to potential criminals in Utah.