@Thid BarkerYou wrote:"If the government ran airlines, we
wouldn't have airplanes all of which have been invented, manufactored,
tested and sold by private companies competing with each other for our business!
"If there is an industry that exist and has developed
"thanks to governments" is the airline industry. You should not forget
that the U.S. Government and Governments around the world finance new technology
that later "trickle down" for mass use.
As long as I'm sitting in between two beautiful women, I'm not
@ Tolstoy: Thanks for your response but I must respectfully disagree. I am a
frequent flyer and I have never flow on any airplane that didn't offer me
seating choices nor did I ever fear that any airline put my health in danger. If
I did, I would choose to give my business to another airline that offered me
choices! Its a wonderful thing to be able to vote with my wallet! Its wonderful
because of competition between airlines for my money! If I don't like their
services, I just take my business elsewhere. The government doesn't work
that way but I wish it did! If it did, we wouldn't have a progressive tax
system. Those who pay the most taxes should get the most services from the
government but its just the opposite. In the government the largest population
of people vote for benefits paid for by the smallest segment of people! Try to
imagine flying on an airline that ran their business that way!
@thidIn order to have a choice there would have to be an option for larger
seats. When they engage in behavior that endanger the Heath of the customers
then yes that predatory and harmful As to your second point m, no one is
talking about the government taking over the airlines we are talking about
ensuring airlines provide safe seating.
@ Tolstoy: So airlines are "predatory and harmful" because they offer
CUSTOMERS a choice? If the government ran airlines, we wouldn't have
airplanes all of which have been invented, manufactored, tested and sold by
private companies competing with each other for our business! The government
can't run anything well. It doesn't need to because it has no
competition, therefore no choices!
The airlines needs a device to measure passenger sizes. Same idea as measuring
a carry-on. If it's too big you have to check it. I rode one day on a
plane sitting next to an extra wide passenger. The person filled the seat and
part of mine. I had to lean over to accommodate. The seat belt wouldn't
even fit. The stewardess had to get a belt extension. Nor would the tray come
all the way down. I wrote a letter to the airline, complaining. They were
sympathetic to my situation... Said they were working on the problem of how to
accommodate over-sized passengers. They mailed me a $25 chit to be used on my
This is a great idea. Airlines won't give space on their own--because
it's not really a competitive market. In fact, air travel is now so
bad--that it might even do as well as government run industry. Unions,
corporations and city and federal government regulations have combined to create
a painful, anti-consumer industry.
"Why not let CUSTOMERS decide? "Conservatives seem to forget we
are the government and as citizens and consumers we have the right to use
government to prevent behavior, even by business, that are predatory and
Why not have a true "standing room only" for flights of a certain
duration or less? Provide harnesses, virtually no luggage, and cut the budget
fares in half. Fly from SLC to LAX for $99 round trip? Surf's up!
@joecapitalist"A liberal Democrat wants the government to control yet
another aspect of our lives."There's more to the airline
seat discussions than simply passenger comfort. Safety is a key issue.Unfortunately, in this case, a 'conservative' Republican (or
two), want the government to stay out of another aspect of a corporation's
profit margin, at the expense our our safety.The House
Transportation Committee is headed by Republican Representatives Davis and
Shuster. Both are heavily funded by Airline money, and both voted against a
study on the safety of seat size in emergency situations, especially involving
evacuations. Not only did they vote against the study, they laughed and mocked
the study in the process.But the Democrat trying to force airline
safety standards is the bad guy?
I'm 6'8" and vacillate around 340 lbs. Starting in the early
80's and until about 2002, I used to travel about 80% of the time, all over
the states and a few different countries. The leg room in coach, for me, has
never been anywhere close to spacious. But, fortunately, the airlines started
their leg room shrinking campaign toward the end of that period. Nevertheless,
by the end I could barely sit at all and never comfortably. As the article
notes, it's only gotten worse since then. My last flight was in Dec. 2012
and it was more cramped than the cattle-car scenarios I envisioned for the
people being sent to the Nazi death camps.Since I'll never
accept the ridiculous expense to fly first class, and because I've pretty
much burned out my travel lust anyway, I simply no longer fly. BUT, if the leg
room in coach ever returns to what I experienced in the 80's, I might be
persuaded to fly those friendlier skies.
As a tall person who uses air travel extensively, I would love more leg room.
And Chuck, I would also love to lay down on international flights, preferably in
a bed. And, as long as I'm sleeping, I want some privacy - like a train
cabin. And, I want larger bathrooms that are designated for Men and Women. Oh
and I want free internet too. And Chuck throw in TV too in case I want to watch
a movie. And I almost forgot about the food! So much needs to change there but I
can't fit it in 200 words or less, but we can indefinably get them all in
your bill. Oh by the way Chuck, I want to pay less for my tickets
too. As long as were using the Nanny State to dictate our comfort preferences,
lets do it right Chuck.
If global warming truely is the greatest threat facing mankind. Isn't a
few hours of being uncomfortable on a flight worth saving airline emissions that
presumably cause global warming.
Why not let CUSTOMERS decide? If customers want low fares, they will get small
seats! If customers decide they want bigger seats they can pay for first class!
See, someone already figured this out!
Going from 35 inches to 16 inches of leg room seems over the top. My legs
start to really hurt after 90 minutes. This practice seems to hurt the elderly
the most, probably those least able to pay.
Let the market decide
Chuck Schumer always sees everything as something the government should
regulate. Especially if it will get his name and picture in the news.
It is ironic that Sen. Schumer who has protected Wall Street from government
regulations now wants to regulate the airlines. The SEC has done poorly in
preventing or prosecuting Wall Street abuses. Why does he believe the government
can do better with the airlines? The best way to bring down airline ticket
prices is to help competitors, not have a government agency take control.
Sounds great, but we will pay for it in increased prices.
Speaking as a tall, robust individual I agree. If I have to set in a regular
seat in economy it can be excruciating these days, and there should be minimum
standards as to how people are accommodated. I am willing to pay for an exit or
bulkhead row, but you can't always get those seats. A big shout out to all
the front counter staff and cabin crew who, from time to time, have taken a look
at me and given me exit rows or even crew jumpseats, knowing I would suffer
What a surprise! A liberal Democrat wants the government to control yet another
aspect of our lives. I seriously doubt Senator Schumer has flown coach for a
very long time and has no idea how the 'little people' experience
flight in the back of the plane.How about getting the government
away from tightly regulating the airline business so that there is lots of
competition? If one airline wants to offer big seats and lots of legroom then
they will attract customers that want those things. If another airline offers
sardine seating in exchange for cheap fares, it will attract a different kind of
customer.To be honest, if I can save a $100 on a cramped 90 minute
flight, it is worth it to me to save the money. Others may feel the same way. I
don't want the government telling my airline that it can't offer those
fares because it has to be able to fit 300 lb passengers in every seat.