@Red Smith --"The injustice done to the Hammonds needs a
complete review from top to bottom."The Hammonds and other
Oregon ranchers may or may not have legitimate complaints. But armed
insurrection is NOT the way to handle it.The Hammonds have rejected
the Bundys.The actual peaceful Oregonian protesters have rejected
the Bundys.The local Oregon townsfolk have rejected the Bundys.The folks who are actually affected by all of this **don't want the
Bundys there**.They need to go home.
BLM Bureaucrats bullying ranchers off their land is root cause of this
problem.Using Terrorism Laws against ranchers over a controlled burn
that got out of hand is dishonest, unjust, and the root cause of this
nonsense.EPA opens a mine in Colorado and destroys a river and its
an accident. A controlled burn in Yellow Stone gets out of control and burns
the park down and its an accident.A rancher's controlled burn
gets out of control and the rancher goes to prison for 5 years. This is simply
wrong. BLM is to govern not rule. The injustice done to the
Hammonds needs a complete review from top to bottom.
@JoCoWow. Those are some strong allegations. Is that heresay or actually
the poaching charges that were leveled?
"We the People" have greater access to federal land than we would if it
were privatized. Locking this land up is what the Bundys (and some posters
here) want. The fact is that the land was "free for the taking" for
decades under the Homestead Act. The private land that many of these people do
own (apart from their federal grazing leases) is a product of this. The taxes
paid on irrigated livestock grazing land are minuscule, and that is all that
most of the land we are talking about will every be used for.No, this did
not start with burning a pasture to control noxious weeds. The Hammonds are
merely being used as a foil by these rebellious and seditious criminals that
used similar tactics before the Hammond issue. The Hammonds'
motivation for the fires they set was not "innocent," but they served
their original sentence. They have now been caught up in the debate over the
(largely Republican supported) "get-tough" sentencing guidelines. The
trial judge tried to be moderate and merciful to the Hammonds, but that
moderation and mercy were not legal under the sentencing guidelines.
RE: Moderate you are exactly right on the actual charge; Poaching. However,
that's only because the Feds didn't have or use a law that covered the
illegal slaughter of a whole herd of mule deer, just to keep them from eating
the feed these ranchers wanted for their cattle. They killed and wounded (and
left to die a painful death later) a herd of 16 to 18 Mule deer. That's why
Oregon hunters associations are standing up to the so called militia.
Bonijo "grew up on a farm and burning pastures with bad weeds was common
practice"But you weren't burning pastures to cover up crimes (I
hope).From the article:The Hammonds were convicted of arson
three years ago for fires on federal land in 2001 and 2006, one of which was set
to cover up deer poaching.
Seem to me our government really go back to kindergarten so they will learn how
to be nice. The case has been it trial and the government disagrees with the
verdict. It seems that someone in our government thinks they are above the law.
No FT, we the people don't own the land. A few federal bureaucrats own the
lad and in the west 50-75 % of it. They restrict us from using it, they over
regulate it, they give preference to special interest groups and so on. You
like to ride your ATV and shoot your guns, well guess what, those rights are
seen as privileges by the feds and they are regulating and eliminating them all
the time. I don't agree with how these folks arguing about their protest,
but I do agree with the fact that federal over regulation has to stop. And one
more thing, the two ranchers were railroaded to jail for refusing to sell their
property which is in the middle of the Park. I bet the Feds find a way to take
it from them while they are in jail.
I like VIDAR's suggestion.
@BonijoWe are the government, we the people own the land. If we the
people want to sell it off we can do it but we will not be swayed to do so by
terrorist and their guns. Personally, I enjoy a wide swath of public lands to
ride my ATV, shoot my guns, peddle my bikes, hike and so on. Come on out West
and enjoy them as well. At least until the Bundy Boys and their armed militia
steal them from us so they can make a few bucks.
You can bet Mr. Obama's ATF is "itching" to bring these guys
down...all the way down...6 feet under! I trust the Federal agencies as much as
I trust the IRS which is ...well...I don't trust them at all!
That is what I don't understand, why does "our" government own so
much land. Google "Who owns the west?" We the people that would
include us in our government own 54.% of the state if Oregon?? 57.4% if Utah??
Why...could this land not be owned by private taxing paying citizens? Look at
the map maybe a way to start paying down our National Debt. I grew
up on a farm and burning pastures with bad weeds was common practice, hardly a
thing to go to jail for. Isn't that what started all of this? Or did I get
2 stories mixed up.?
I like it. First us patriots will win this battle and get control of Federal
lands, which belongs to everyone, then we'll all go to Syria and fight ISIS
face to face.Looking forward to it.
Two law suits need to be filed against this mob. First the cost for taxpayers to
contain or remove those involved in this illegal action need to be recovered.
Federal law allows this recovery. No different than recovering the cost of
putting out a fire caused by illegal actions. Second the cost to the citizens of
this country for having been denied access to the public land currently
occupied. An expensive judgment in millions of dollars against these
criminals should wake up the rest of the extremists
Park a tank in front of the truck, anyone who wants to leave comes out with
their hands up, they go straight to jail and do not pass go.
Let the protesters stay in unused federal buildings for as long as they want.
Shut off the power and water and eventually they will get tired of camping out.
We let Occupy Wall Street protesters stay in public parks which was for more
disruptive. Don't make martyrs of them and provide the attention they
Those that take up arms against our government need to be held accountable.
Being patient, and doing it as peacefully as possible, are fine. But they have
to be held accountable. The situation today is a product of the Bundy boys and
their "friends" not being held accountable for their sedition and
rebellion in the past.