Truck blocks entrance to US land as armed standoff persists

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  • AuContrariusiest mid-state, TN
    Jan. 6, 2016 10:36 a.m.

    @Red Smith --

    "The injustice done to the Hammonds needs a complete review from top to bottom."

    The Hammonds and other Oregon ranchers may or may not have legitimate complaints. But armed insurrection is NOT the way to handle it.

    The Hammonds have rejected the Bundys.

    The actual peaceful Oregonian protesters have rejected the Bundys.

    The local Oregon townsfolk have rejected the Bundys.

    The folks who are actually affected by all of this **don't want the Bundys there**.

    They need to go home.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Jan. 6, 2016 10:05 a.m.

    BLM Bureaucrats bullying ranchers off their land is root cause of this problem.

    Using Terrorism Laws against ranchers over a controlled burn that got out of hand is dishonest, unjust, and the root cause of this nonsense.

    EPA opens a mine in Colorado and destroys a river and its an accident. A controlled burn in Yellow Stone gets out of control and burns the park down and its an accident.

    A rancher's controlled burn gets out of control and the rancher goes to prison for 5 years. This is simply wrong. BLM is to govern not rule.

    The injustice done to the Hammonds needs a complete review from top to bottom.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 6, 2016 8:25 a.m.

    Wow. Those are some strong allegations. Is that heresay or actually the poaching charges that were leveled?

  • GeoMan SALEM, OR
    Jan. 6, 2016 8:24 a.m.

    "We the People" have greater access to federal land than we would if it were privatized. Locking this land up is what the Bundys (and some posters here) want. The fact is that the land was "free for the taking" for decades under the Homestead Act. The private land that many of these people do own (apart from their federal grazing leases) is a product of this. The taxes paid on irrigated livestock grazing land are minuscule, and that is all that most of the land we are talking about will every be used for.
    No, this did not start with burning a pasture to control noxious weeds. The Hammonds are merely being used as a foil by these rebellious and seditious criminals that used similar tactics before the Hammond issue.
    The Hammonds' motivation for the fires they set was not "innocent," but they served their original sentence. They have now been caught up in the debate over the (largely Republican supported) "get-tough" sentencing guidelines. The trial judge tried to be moderate and merciful to the Hammonds, but that moderation and mercy were not legal under the sentencing guidelines.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 5, 2016 10:18 p.m.

    RE: Moderate you are exactly right on the actual charge; Poaching. However, that's only because the Feds didn't have or use a law that covered the illegal slaughter of a whole herd of mule deer, just to keep them from eating the feed these ranchers wanted for their cattle. They killed and wounded (and left to die a painful death later) a herd of 16 to 18 Mule deer. That's why Oregon hunters associations are standing up to the so called militia.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 8:36 p.m.

    Bonijo "grew up on a farm and burning pastures with bad weeds was common practice"
    But you weren't burning pastures to cover up crimes (I hope).

    From the article:
    The Hammonds were convicted of arson three years ago for fires on federal land in 2001 and 2006, one of which was set to cover up deer poaching.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 4:20 p.m.

    Seem to me our government really go back to kindergarten so they will learn how to be nice. The case has been it trial and the government disagrees with the verdict. It seems that someone in our government thinks they are above the law.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 4:03 p.m.

    No FT, we the people don't own the land. A few federal bureaucrats own the lad and in the west 50-75 % of it. They restrict us from using it, they over regulate it, they give preference to special interest groups and so on. You like to ride your ATV and shoot your guns, well guess what, those rights are seen as privileges by the feds and they are regulating and eliminating them all the time. I don't agree with how these folks arguing about their protest, but I do agree with the fact that federal over regulation has to stop. And one more thing, the two ranchers were railroaded to jail for refusing to sell their property which is in the middle of the Park. I bet the Feds find a way to take it from them while they are in jail.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 5, 2016 3:45 p.m.

    I like VIDAR's suggestion.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 3:24 p.m.

    We are the government, we the people own the land. If we the people want to sell it off we can do it but we will not be swayed to do so by terrorist and their guns. Personally, I enjoy a wide swath of public lands to ride my ATV, shoot my guns, peddle my bikes, hike and so on. Come on out West and enjoy them as well. At least until the Bundy Boys and their armed militia steal them from us so they can make a few bucks.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 3:22 p.m.

    You can bet Mr. Obama's ATF is "itching" to bring these guys down...all the way down...6 feet under! I trust the Federal agencies as much as I trust the IRS which is ...well...I don't trust them at all!

  • Bonijo Whispering Pines, NC
    Jan. 5, 2016 2:52 p.m.

    That is what I don't understand, why does "our" government own so much land. Google "Who owns the west?" We the people that would include us in our government own 54.% of the state if Oregon?? 57.4% if Utah?? Why...could this land not be owned by private taxing paying citizens? Look at the map maybe a way to start paying down our National Debt.

    I grew up on a farm and burning pastures with bad weeds was common practice, hardly a thing to go to jail for. Isn't that what started all of this? Or did I get 2 stories mixed up.?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 2:36 p.m.

    I like it. First us patriots will win this battle and get control of Federal lands, which belongs to everyone, then we'll all go to Syria and fight ISIS face to face.
    Looking forward to it.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 5, 2016 2:26 p.m.

    Two law suits need to be filed against this mob. First the cost for taxpayers to contain or remove those involved in this illegal action need to be recovered. Federal law allows this recovery. No different than recovering the cost of putting out a fire caused by illegal actions. Second the cost to the citizens of this country for having been denied access to the public land currently occupied.

    An expensive judgment in millions of dollars against these criminals should wake up the rest of the extremists

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 12:57 p.m.

    Park a tank in front of the truck, anyone who wants to leave comes out with their hands up, they go straight to jail and do not pass go.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2016 10:06 a.m.

    Let the protesters stay in unused federal buildings for as long as they want. Shut off the power and water and eventually they will get tired of camping out. We let Occupy Wall Street protesters stay in public parks which was for more disruptive. Don't make martyrs of them and provide the attention they crave.

  • GeoMan SALEM, OR
    Jan. 5, 2016 9:28 a.m.

    Those that take up arms against our government need to be held accountable. Being patient, and doing it as peacefully as possible, are fine. But they have to be held accountable. The situation today is a product of the Bundy boys and their "friends" not being held accountable for their sedition and rebellion in the past.