Police: 3 killed, 9 wounded in attack at Planned Parenthood

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  • Contrariusester mid-state, TN
    Nov. 30, 2015 7:04 a.m.

    (cont'd from previous)

    @Sven --

    "Fort Hood"

    Nidal Hasan registered to vote in Roanoke County, Va., where he lived before being sent to Fort Hood. Virginia does not allow registration by party, so he wouldn't have been registered as a Democrat.

    "Virginia Tech"

    See above. Virginia does not allow registration by party. Furthermore, Cho and his family were permanent residents of the U.S. as South Korean nationals, not citizens. All registered voters in Virginia must be U.S. citizens, so he cannot have been registered at all.

    "Colorado Theater"

    The allegation that Colorado theater shooting suspect James Holmes was a registered Democrat was based on Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who said he found Holmes' voter registration records. But it was later determined that those records -- though of a man named Holmes of a similar age -- were not those of the suspect.

    "Connecticut"

    This one is a complete fabrication. The original email with this claim assigned a Democrat tag to Adam Lanza, the Newtown, Conn., shooter, only because, it says, Connecticut has almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. But to assume that Lanza was a Democrat because of that is a huge leap.

    Keep trying, Sven!

  • Contrariusester mid-state, TN
    Nov. 30, 2015 7:03 a.m.

    @Svenn --

    "Capitalism is now an indicator of violence…really?"

    Straw man. I never said any such thing.

    "Remember Jared Loughner?"

    Jared Loughner was a paranoid schizophrenic who was anti-government and believed that women shouldn't hold positions of power. Hardly a flaming liberal.

    (cont'd)

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    Nov. 29, 2015 10:53 p.m.

    @Sven:

    You've made an excellent point.

    The common denominator in mass shootings is not political affiliation, not religious affiliation, not race, not belief in an economic system...

    So the common denominator in mass shootings has to be... Shootings.

    A system that allows anyone to gain access to military style weapons and to amass large amounts of ammunition without accountability or monitoring or reason.

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." The free state is not by any means secure if mass shootings are so common we can reel off the statistics of the shooters like the statistics of major league pitchers in the World Series.

    Maybe it is time to get serious - really serious - about the "well regulated" part, that leads to security in a free state.

    Because you're right. The problem isn't politics or religion, abortion or gay rights, the problem is tens of millions of guns with no Second Amendment regulation.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Nov. 29, 2015 8:09 p.m.

    @Svenn --

    "Capitalism is now an indicator of violence…really?"

    Straw man. I never said any such thing.

    "Remember Jared Loughner?"

    Jared Loughner was a paranoid schizophrenic who was anti-government and believed that women shouldn't hold positions of power. Hardly a liberal.

    (cont'd)

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2015 6:13 p.m.

    @Contrariuser

    Capitalism is now an indicator of violence…really?

    A little history for you: Remember Jared Loughner? He's the nut who shot Gabby Giffords. Remember Leftists tried to set the narrative that he was a right-wing, Tea Party activist? Sure you do. There was a problem though; he was actually a Bush/Cheney hating, left-leaning, registered Democrat.

    Here are a few others you apparently forgot about:

    * Fort Hood Shooter (Registered Democrat)

    * Virginia Tech Shooter (Registered Democrat)

    * Colorado Theater Shooter (Registered Democrat; Obama campaign worker; Occupy Wall Street participant)

    * Connecticut Shooter (Registered Democrat)

    Looking forward to your explanation.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Nov. 29, 2015 2:25 p.m.

    @Svenn --

    "Please tell us how you know this recluse is a Christian?"

    Well, let's see. His ex-wife says he was raised as a Baptist, and that he liked to boast that he had read the Bible cover-to-cover, and he had a cross prominently displayed on the outer wall of his cabin.

    These are what we call "clues".

    "Please tell us how you know this recluse is a Capitalist?"

    He was an independent art marketer -- he would seek out artists and buy the rights to their art, then have their works of art printed and sell the prints.

    That's what we call capitalism.

    "Please tell us how you know this recluse listened to “right-wing political and religious rhetoric”?"

    Amongst other things, he was known to pass out anti-Obama pamphlets to his acquaintances and neighbors, and his ex-wife knew him to be a conservative.

    "Please tell us how you know he wasn't a Left-wing radical?"

    See above.

    You really haven't been paying enough attention to the news reports, have you?

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2015 1:32 p.m.

    GingerMarshall said:

    He wasn't a communist or socialist.

    He's white, he's American, he's Christian, he's a capitalist.

    He took military style weapons into a public place and shot and killed people.

    We need to stop making excuses, need to stop pointing at others, need to stop pretending it was something else.

    He's a homegrown terrorist, inspired by right-wing political and religious rhetoric.

    ====

    Typical that you didn’t deal with the facts I presented, but instead made many assumptions about Mr. Dear of which you have No proof.

    * Please tell us how you know this recluse is a Christian?

    * Please tell us how you know this recluse is a Capitalist?

    * Please tell us how you know this recluse listened to “right-wing political and religious rhetoric”?

    * Please tell us how you know he wasn't a Left-wing radical?

    Interesting you folks will defend and make excuses for the numerous acts of violence and murder committed by ISIS and radical Islam, but will indict Christians and conservatives for the lone act of a reclusive nutcase. Telling indeed.

    Interesting the media still hasn't released the names of the two dead civilians...?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Nov. 29, 2015 8:54 a.m.

    He wasn't Hamas or ISIS or a member of the Crips.

    He wasn't brown skinned, he didn't get here in a boat or a raft or sneaking over a border.

    He didn't follow some exotic or radical religion.

    He wasn't a communist or socialist.

    He's white, he's American, he's Christian, he's a capitalist.

    He took military style weapons into a public place and shot and killed people.

    We need to stop making excuses, need to stop pointing at others, need to stop pretending it was something else.

    He's a homegrown terrorist, inspired by right-wing political and religious rhetoric.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Nov. 29, 2015 3:49 a.m.

    @Svenn --

    "Liberals (especially in the media) are desperately trying to set the narrative that this nutcase was targeting Planned Parenthood in yesterdays horrible murders."

    At least one conservative (especially in the DN comment section) is desperately trying to set the narrative that ths nutcase was NOT targeting PP.

    We now know from the New York Times and other sources, including Dear's ex-wife:

    Dear is a conservative Southern Baptist who bragged about reading the Bible from cover to cover and was known to pass out anti-Obama pamphlets to his neighbors and acquaintances. His ex-wife knew that he was anti-abortion even years ago. When he was arrested, he made statements about "no more baby parts". His cabin in North Carolina has a cross prominently displayed on an outer wall.

    "NO PP staff or patients were harmed in yesterdays standoff."

    We don't know about the identities of the patients yet. Thanks to the facility's excellent security measures, though, we do know that Dear never made it past the outer waiting room -- while the staff was able to usher the patients **who were inside the building** into the secured back of the building.

    Keep trying, Sven.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    Nov. 29, 2015 3:07 a.m.

    Sven
    Morgan, UT
    "It's being reported that NO PP personnel were injured or among the dead. The two civilians were murdered before this nut even got to the PP facility. Sounds like he went inside the PP building to hide.
    I know this will disappoint Liberals who were hoping this was some pro-life person."

    --- SO SAD to see folks make ugly assumptions on a Christian-owned website

    When the deranged man was questioned today, he spewed out the nonsense lies that were seen in the anti-PP video, and repeated by so many republican politicians

    He set out to firebomb the place that "traffics in baby parts", falsely believing that to be true

    FOR SHAME!

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2015 7:33 p.m.

    @worf:

    Liberals (especially in the media) are desperately trying to set the narrative that this nutcase was targeting Planned Parenthood in yesterdays horrible murders. We've been treated to headlines that the three murders (1 police officer, and 2 civilians) took place inside the PP Clinic. Doesn't seem the facts are backing up this bogus narrative being pushed by our activist, Left-wing media.

    * We know from eyewitness accounts reported by the Gazette yesterday, that the gunfire began outside of the Chase Bank, not inside the PP Clinic.

    * We know Vicki Cowart, president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains said that NO PP staff or patients were harmed in yesterdays standoff.

    * We still DO NOT know the names of the two murdered civilians (at least that I've seen) in any news stories and this is day two!.

    If NO Planned Parenthood staff or patients were harmed, who would that leave inside the PP clinic? If two civilians had been murdered inside this PP Clinic as the media is desperately trying to suggest, they would be providing non-stop coverage of their identities. As it stands now, this story is drying up very quickly.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Nov. 28, 2015 7:14 p.m.

    @Sven --

    "You were saying?"

    We now know from the New York Times and other sources:

    Dear is a conservative Southern Baptist who bragged about reading the Bible from cover to cover and was known to pass out anti-Obama pamphlets to his neighbors and acquaintances. His ex-wife knew that he was anti-abortion even years ago. When he was arrested, he made statements about "no more baby parts". His cabin in NC has a cross prominently displayed on an outer wall.

    You were saying?

  • 1st avenue New York, NY
    Nov. 28, 2015 4:08 p.m.

    @worf
    Once again with the false accusations against liberals claiming they will "blame bush." Not only is this poor attempt of changing the focus it only serves to fuel the devisive culture that gives life to guys like this shooter.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 28, 2015 10:24 a.m.

    @Sven,

    Some libs will blame George Bush, and the GOP.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Nov. 28, 2015 9:46 a.m.

    @rubbergoose: "Planned parenthood will never be a safe place because of the things that they do there."

    Gynecological exams.
    Birth control.
    Fertility and artificial insemination care.
    Sexually Transmitted Infection care.
    Transgender health care.

    Oh. And less than 3% of their care is abortion related.

    Are you justifying terrorists?

  • rubbergoose bountiful davis, UT
    Nov. 28, 2015 8:56 a.m.

    The motive as obvious. Planned parenthood will never be a safe place because of the things that they do there.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 28, 2015 8:20 a.m.

    NO CONNECTION TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD...

    False.

    Reports this morning say: The shooting began at 11:38 a.m., and the entire incident took place at the Planned Parenthood clinic, according to police.

    And: He was led out of the clinic in handcuffs, wearing a white T-shirt and a white beard.

    I predict we will learn that the shooter was known to neighbors as a loner who harbored extremist political views; who was known to have guns; who listened almost exclusively to right wing radio; who was upset by stories of fetuses being torn apart and sold; and neighbors and friends will say that they were not surprised. In other words, the picture of a domestic terrorist who had much too easy access to weapons.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2015 5:55 a.m.

    Ironic that radical religious terrorism and murder was not by a refugee.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Nov. 28, 2015 5:51 a.m.

    @Sven --

    "Please provide us specific examples of "domestic tea party terrorism"? You made this ridiculous claim, let's see if you can back it up with specific examples. "

    Yet again -- check out the following articles:

    "Right-Wing Extremists More Dangerous Than Islamic Terrorists In U.S." -- NPR 6/24/15

    "The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat" -- NYT 6/16/15

    "Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11" -- NYT 6/24/15

    And let us not forget Cliven Bundy, beloved of the Tea Party, he who has declared that he doesn't even recognize the existence of the federal government, and whose associates murdered two cops just a few weeks after the standoff at Bundy's ranch.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    Nov. 28, 2015 2:01 a.m.

    TIME TO GO TO CHURCH:

    If you do not think that the horrible lies spread about PP endanger lives

    If you even THOUGHT something like this:

    Sven
    Morgan, UT
    "I know this will disappoint Liberals who were hoping this was some pro-life person."

    People are dead or injured or terrorized
    A city is turned upside down
    More gun violence in the most gun-violent by far of all "civilized" countries, made more shameful by the fact that the gun industry has bought the minds of too many people and the votes of too many legislators.

    ---- Where in Scripture does it say Jesus told us to take sides and throw cheap pot shots at others?

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2015 11:07 p.m.

    PP’s Vicki Cowart said: "There were no known injuries to the clinic's staff or patients..." yet the Liberal media is reporting that these murders (of the two civilians) took place in the PP clinic? Sorry, but Ms. Cowart's words and the accounts from the CS Gazette simply do not jive with the media narrative.

    From today’s Gazette:

    12:43 p.m.:

    Denise Speller, manager at a nearby haircut salon, said she heard roughly 10-20 gunshots in the span of less than five minutes. She said she saw a police cruiser and two officers OUTSIDE NEAR CHASE BANK, not far from the Planned Parenthood facility. One of the officers appeared to fall to the ground and the other office knelt down to render aid, then tried to get the officer to safety behind the car, she said. Another officer told Speller to seek shelter inside the building.

    “We’re still pretty freaked out,” Speller said by phone. “We can’t stop shaking. For now we’re stuck back here not knowing.”

    1:34 p.m.:

    The shooting situation remains active and the shooter is not contained. Colorado Springs police says there is NO CONNECTION TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD...

    ====

    This stinks!

  • 1st avenue New York, NY
    Nov. 27, 2015 9:05 p.m.

    @sven
    You stated "It's being reported that NO PP personnel were injured or among the dead. The two civilians were murdered before this nut even got to the PP facility. Sounds like he went inside the PP building to hide."
    All the news sources including fox and the DN are now reporting that nine people including six officers were injuries and three people including an officer were killed at the planned parenthood facility. So I said exactly what I meant but thanks for asking.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2015 8:37 p.m.

    @1st avenue:

    ====

    Washingtonpost.com:

    Three dead, 9 injured following shootout at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs

    By Lindsey Bever, Niraj Chokshi, Sandhya Somashekhar and Wesley Lowery November 27 at 9:13 PM

    “Our top priority is the safety of our patients and staff,” Vicki Cowart, president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, said in a statement. “Our hearts go out to everyone involved in this tragic situation.”

    She added that “the full circumstances and motives behind this criminal action” are not yet known — “and we don’t yet know if Planned Parenthood was in fact the target of this attack.”

    Cowart told CNN that Planned Parenthood HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY THREATS PRIOR TO THE ATTACK, IN WHICH THE GUNMAN BREACHED THE FACILITY’S OUTER SECURITY RING. THERE WERE NO KNOWN INJURIES TO THE CLINIC’S STAFF OR PATIENTS, she said. (emphasis mine)

    ====

    You were saying?

  • 1st avenue New York, NY
    Nov. 27, 2015 8:22 p.m.

    @sven
    In fact three people have been killed all at planned parenthood and one of them was an officer. As to motive we do not yet know but to immediately turn it into another chance to make dirogagtive comments towards others is certainly part of the problem rather then the solution. Perhaps we should give it a rest for one night.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2015 8:13 p.m.

    Terminator said:

    "@Frozen...I can already see Fox News and the right wing trying to find a way to place blame with President Obama instead of bonafide gun nut domestic tea party terrorism."

    =====

    Please provide us specific examples of "domestic tea party terrorism"? You made this ridiculous claim, let's see if you can back it up with specific examples.

    ((Crickets))

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2015 7:45 p.m.

    It's being reported that NO PP personnel were injured or among the dead. The two civilians were murdered before this nut even got to the PP facility. Sounds like he went inside the PP building to hide.

    I know this will disappoint Liberals who were hoping this was some pro-life person.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 27, 2015 7:31 p.m.

    Tell us, Terminator, when this guy hasn't even been captured yet, how do you know he is a "gun nut" or even a member of the "tea party." And how does such blatant speculation get accepted by DN moderators?

    Contrariusist

    Nice. All Left-Wing sources who consider someone who keeps a food storage a Right-Wing extremist. And how about crimes committed and condoned by Occupy and BlackLivesMatter followers. Wouldn't that also follow under domestic terrorism?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 27, 2015 6:39 p.m.

    Could this be a hate crime.

    In Chicago, Baltimore, and Ferguson, the race of the cops were quickly identified.

  • Contrariusiest mid-state, TN
    Nov. 27, 2015 5:49 p.m.

    @idablu --

    "Interesting how liberals can easily recognize a domestic terrorist, but have a really hard time labeling a group of Muslim extremists"

    "Right-Wing Extremists More Dangerous Than Islamic Terrorists In U.S." -- NPR 6/24/15

    "The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat" -- NYT 6/16/15

    "Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11" -- NYT 6/24/15

  • Terminator Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 27, 2015 5:40 p.m.

    @Frozen...I can already see Fox News and the right wing trying to find a way to place blame with President Obama instead of bonafide gun nut domestic tea party terrorism.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Nov. 27, 2015 5:22 p.m.

    Apparently, by all the news I have read, this person armed with a gun and injuring 8 or 9 people according to the Denver press, is holed up in the Planned Parenthood facility.

    Regardless of whether he (presumably a he, but who knows?) was focused on Planned Parenthood or not, I think this is an act of mayhem. I use that word, because the real word I would use is forbidden for domestic acts of mayhem. We have seen this mayhem before in Oklahoma City and other places in the US wherein our citizens decide to take the law unto themselves for the furtherance of their pet causes.

    Shame people have to kill or injure others to make a point. But mayhem is mayhem, wherever it occurs.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 27, 2015 5:13 p.m.

    Interesting how liberals can easily recognize a domestic terrorist, but have a really hard time labeling a group of Muslim extremists who round up Christians or Westerners and decapitate them and commit other heinous acts of murder simply because they are not Muslim, as terrorists. What is it they like to call them? "Freedom Fighters"? "JV team?"

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Nov. 27, 2015 3:51 p.m.

    @Frozen Fractals:

    Oh no. Not a terrorist. "A troubled loner."

    Terrorists come from other countries and believe other religions and look different from "Americans."

    If they live down the street and went to a Sunday School like ours and look like "us," then they are a troubled loner.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2015 3:20 p.m.

    If it turns out the gunman was looking to target Planned Parenthood wanting to shut them down one way or another than the media has the duty to report it as what it is.

    terrorism - the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 27, 2015 3:06 p.m.

    Just hard on the TV news at 3:00 Utah time -- Active shooter/hostage situation. The shooter is inside the Planned Parenthood center, shooting both inside the clinic and outside at officers by the clinic. Four officers shot; eight people taken to the hospital. The incident is ongoing.