The federal government should never be permitted ownership of a significant
percentage of land in any state and if anything should only be permitted to own
facilities and parks that it maintains, and nothing else.
Why doesn't the Federal Govt simply garnish his financial accounts for the
amoutn he owes? That's what the IRS would do to the rest of us if we
refused to pay our taxes.If he has no bank accounts to garnish - fine - we
just found a great place to store nuclear waste - right in Bundy's back
Funny thought.So if protestors in Ferguson would have shown up with
guns pointed at state police the tea party crowd would have demanded a crack
down.This guy and a bunch of gun toting folks show up in force, and
tea partiers throw a party.Does anyone else see the irony ?
When a state is admitted to the union it is returned most of the land. Even if
this chap was a crook I'd support him because the feds including Homeland
Security at the real crooks. Bundy is doing out dirty work for us.
Lets round up our guns and go down there and get us some beef that is illegally
grazing on our property.Since the Feds won't impose the full
extent of the law on Mr. Bundy - I think it's high time for a
Re worfI'm glad I don't live in the same world as you.It must be a downtrodden and horrible place.Most fairy tales
have happy endings, you're version, laced with bitterness and spite, will
never have a happy ending.I'll pray for you.
Ok, down to 64% of Federal ownership... really? and that is acceptable? and
what determines that percentage? A rare tortoise? A declining flower? You
further prove my point... The point remains. The Feds have too much state land.
No good thing will come of it. They can't even put up a good website.
The scrawny cattle he has roaming public land that is extreme desert are not
commercially viable. The only purpose is too attract radicals and the press. His
ranch property is used for derelict cars purchased with grazing fee avoidance
worf, good excuse that Bush has been gone for 7 years. That is as bogus as it
comes. You choose to attack this amazing President without many real facts. And
then when it is pointed out to you that Bush did worse you say "well he is
gone". This President has taken less vacation days than Bush.
He has the right to take vacation.Cliven Bundy is using my land that
I as an American citizen own and uses it for his own personal gain. If he was
grazing on my yard as I was mowing, I'd call the police and have him
arrested.That's the difference. He is stealing form even you
as an American citizen.Oh and his racist comments made the radical
tea Party flee from him like the plague.Also learn what a debt ratio
is. Our actual debt ratio has decreased 75% since Bush. Our economy
is recovered from Bush and is robust. Unemployment down, millions more insured,
and I'm sure that your retirement, (401-k) should be more pleasing than
when Bush was there.This fine amazing President has led by example.
And the numbers show it.
Nevada – has no individual or corporate income tax. How Free can you
get? What was that comment about "welfare moms" clive made?I
highly doubt he wants to pay back taxes on "his" property either.
Arrest the man and throw him in jail already. He's a criminal, tried an
convicted but still not paying his bill.
It occurred to me that Mr. Bundy may indeed be representative of "the real
America" if it means:Taking land that isn't our own;Keeping all benefits gained from it; andAttacking the character of the
rightful owner when objections are raised.You could also add driving
off the rightful owner with violence or the threat thereof.Yes, I do
think Mr. Bundy exemplifies this aspect of our history quite well, but it has
nothing to do with liberty...or character, or honesty, or personal
responsibility, or etc., etc.
I find it a little offensive to call this a "liberty" camp-in. How
about a "forget the rule of law when it suits us" camp-in? Or a
"sour grapes" camp-in? I say this as someone that loves the
Constitution and liberty. This is not about liberty.
Lilalips: "80% of Nevada "belongs" to the Feds... What about Utah?
Isn't it about the same? 80% of Utah land belongs to the Feds too!"You're about 25% too high. Here are the accurate figures for Utah
(based on information from the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center):Federal:BLM: 42.0%Forest Service: 15.0%Defense Dept:
3.3%National Park Service: 3.9%Fish & Wildlife Service:
0.2%Total Federal: 64.4State:SITLA: 6.3%State
Lands & Forestry: 2.7%Division of Wildlife Resources: 0.9%State Parks: 0.2%Total State: 10.1%Tribal: 4.5%Private: 21.1%There are some minor ownership categories (less
than 0.1%) not listed and some rounding effects, so it doesn't add up to
Cliven Bundy is a freeloader. It is not the federal government's land, it
is our land. All of ours. So as a landowner, are you ok with someone using
your land for free? If he is not paying for the maintenance of the land, we
80% of Nevada "belongs" to the Feds. That is outrageous. What about
Utah? Isn't it about the same? 80% of Utah land belongs to the Feds too!
The states should manage most of the land, not the Feds. The Feds act
unconstitutionally, in my opinion, by simply declaring millions of miles a
"habitat" for this or that, in essence, stealing the land and undermine
the moral authority that they have. They squander this moral authority by the
IRS targeting conservative groups or simply writing their own rules, (Federal
Agencies making laws), and then going out and declaring that businesses are in
violation of those laws. You can't have people randomly making and writing
their own laws, unconstitutionally, without the consequence of having people
disregard those laws. We will become.... lawless and yet we will be awash in
Re: worfThe land was never Cliven Bundy's in the first place.
Honestly, I think this is a perfect example of white privilege; claiming
oppression because the government won't allow you to graze your cattle on
their land for free.
Sorry S-N-S,The feds can't even balance a budget, or be
truthful to its own employers.Why turn family, and state lands over
to them? Eighty percent of Nevada belong to the Federal government?
That's crazy.I want our politicians to lead by example. To lead
by the words they spoke during their campaigning, and quit stealing our lands.
@Worf,You write "Why pay a grazing fee on your own
property?"That is the key point here: He is NOT grazing on HIS
property.He is grazing on federal land. He is trespassing, violating
both state and federal laws. He has lost ALL court battles at ALL levels of
government. He is a criminal. Period.Since you apparently do not
understand the concept, ranchers are required to purchase permits to graze
cattle on federal lands. There are limits as to how many head they can run.I worked for many years herding cattle on federal lands. There is a lot
that has to go on to ensure proper maintenance of the land. Bundy is overusing
the land and refusing to pay for his abuse.Put him in jail first,
and then quietly round up the cattle to pay his fees.
Worf, you are forgetting that Congress is totally responsible for the Federal
debt. And who elects Congress?You are also ignoring the fact that
out of the last umpteen Presidents, it has been ALL the Republicans who have
increased the debt and ALL the Democrats who have actually managed to reign in
spending as much as possible.
Has Bundy paid the federal government yet?? If not why isn't he been
arrested for the stand off? The man is a menace and a freeloader.
@Utefan60,Your ignorance doesn't mean I make up things. You
didn't know we have an eighteen trillion dollar debt, and the sponged
people of America will have to pay it?Disagreement does not equal
hate. That's your invention. I expect any president to lead by example,
and that's not hatred. Bush has been gone for seven years, and
I don't care what vacations he took.As for Bundy. Why pay
grazing fees from your own property? He can pay for income. Do you pay mowing
fees at your residence?
worf, where do you get these facts? They are not collaborated by an easy
research on the internet. The feds are sponging 18 trillion off
who? Where did that one appear from? Even ox news hasn't said that one....
You can tell us the world if flat but it just isn't.Oh and your hatred of Obama comes out every time, but I was wondering what you
said when Bush took vacations and traveled?
It doesn't matter who claims the land. Either Nevada or the US he will not
pay the money he owes. He is just a freeloader who wants something without
payinhg for it.
He says he has God on his side and that.is why he has the right to subvert the
law. Radical religion is a danger to man and country.
The feds sponge of off our citizens to the tune of eighteen trillion dollars.
That's $50,000 for every second of ten years. Does Obama pay
flying fees for his flights to Hawaii, and fund raisers?Do people
pay gardening fees for what they grow in their back yard?Why pay a
grazing fee on your own property?Wake up folks! Who is really being
Where is Mike Lee? Where are the others that supported Cliven last time? They
ran for cover didn't they? Again a group of radical Tea Party hypocrites!
Cliven is using our public lands for his own benefit. He is
breaking the law, and stealing our tax money!
Why isn't this man in prison? Redshirt, Mike, 2 bits, and the rest of you
constitutional experts, where are you? I thought illegal was illegal? Why does
Bundy get to break the law without consequence but I can't?
@one old man The right to sponge off of taxpayers
So the "illegal is legal" crowd is gathering on Federal land to
celebrate whatever perverted version of the Constitution they are supporting
Where are the "illegal is illegal" crowd?
So what is the Federal Government going to do?