st separate the funding for homeland security. from immigration. problem
Say what you will about Pelosi's political views, but as a Speaker she was
one of the best ever at rounding up votes and getting things passed. It seems
like a monthly occurrence for Boehner to take up a vote and embarrassingly fail
to get it through like he did yesterday with the 3 week extension.
The President was elected by the people and the GOP does not like his
immigration policy. So the GOP controlled Congress is trying to find a way to
kill his policy by threatening to shut down the DHS unless the President
rescinds his own policy. Sorry my GOP friends, that ain't gonna happen in
a million years. So then, who's fault is it if the gov't is shut
down? It's simple arithmetic; the GOP is responsible. If the people of
the US don't like the President's immigration policies, then they can
elect someone like Ted Cruz, or Mike Huckabee, or take your pick whatever GOP
candidate they want to put in the WH. Until then, and only then, will the GOP
get their way.
Time for a Third party? They can vote with any remaining men of integrity in
the stump of the old Republi-crat / Demo-publioan\ Congress, after the regularly
scheduled new elections, to pass a few needed key bills into law. It will take
a few years to get a legally elected responsible House and Senate in place.
Let's hope the People have, by now, had enough to do something meaningful
with their votes. The People are ultimately responsible for the composition of
the Congress although I hope their will be at least a few repentant career
politicians who can make a difference now.
Hey RRB -"@GaryO, do you want a list of the Democrats like
Hilary and Kerry who said they had proof of the WMD?"That
"proof" came from the GW Bush administration.The CIA is part
of the Executive Branch of government. The CIA under the Bush administration
was part of the Bush administration, and they obligingly provided GW with the
excuse he wanted to invade Iraq.Obviously the lies of the Bush
administration were not "proof."Hillary and others made the
mistake of believing that Republican administration.Hillary can be
faulted for that. But, I'm sure she is not nearly as gullible anymore, nor
am I and millions of other rational adults.We know better now than
to believe lying Republican leaders.
What a tremendous exercise of courage by the Congress (sarcasm most definitely
intended).I would enjoy the antics of the GOP in the House were it
not so harmful to the nation. The governing style of the House really belongs
on a reality show on FOX, not in the halls of the federal government.
A Republican temper tantrum? My what a new concept (NOT).
A crises manufactured by the republicans late last year. They own both houses
and they still can't manage to pass a bill.
Cheap labor is more important to Democrats than the safety of Americans. Thirty
years ago, Democrats fought for American workers. Now, they fight to replace
American workers with the illegal workers.
I'm not seeing anything in the comments about how the President can end
this whole deadlock by canceling his illegal and unconstitutional order
directing DHS from deporting illegal aliens. In a government like ours, the
Congress establishes the law, not the President. He's supposed to enforce
the laws Congress has passed, and the Courts are supposed to interpret the laws
and apply them in specific cases. Instead of falling for all the
attempts to blame Congress, we should be demanding that the President back off.
He could solve this impasse tomorrow, but the press isn't pointing that
out. Congress is only trying to preserve its powers and prerogatives.
Great. Here we go again with shutting down the gov't while they decide who
wins the pissing contest.
I guess some people missed the fact that only 15% will be laid off. All
essential personnel will still be working. Isn't it time our
leaders took the action to enforce immigration laws? It's been 29 years
since the 1986 amnesty brought us laws of enforcement, that have all been
ignored.You want scary stories, how about a wide open south border
that's open to terrorists 24/7.@GaryO, do you want a list of
the Democrats like Hilary and Kerry who said they had proof of the WMD?
The last time DHS was asking for more funding and didn't get it, the Boston
bombing happened. Makes you wonder what will happen this time.
There is no way for House Republicans to avoid their responsibility for once
again trying to shut down the national government. With Homeland Security
unfunded, other agencies will be stymied in their work, and, their workers,
like all Americans, will be at heightened risk from domestic terrorism. President Obama and the Democrats are willing to entertain a bill to
repeal the President's executive actions on immigration. But, such a bill
must stand on its own merits, not be attached to a bill funding a major federal
agency. The Senate Republicans have attempted to field a clean
Homeland Security funding bill. So, House Republicans are again casting
themselves as the villains of our federal government.
To GaryO: Both of your posts but especially the earlier one at 3:55 are two of
the best critiques I have ever read on the Deseret News. In both cases you used
examples that just nailed what you were trying to express. I usually enjoy
reading your comments. This time you've outdone even your normal excellent
No contest, the Senate Democrats refused to let the bill passed by the House on
the floor. The only thing the House could do is not fund Obama's amnesty.
It's time the Democrats lived up to their promise to stop Obama
when campaigning for the 2014 elections. Pelosi knows a mess when
she see's one.
We must find ways to stop government bloat. The Feds - especially - use
government jobs as welfare programs and that must stop. Maybe, just maybe this
is a tiny first step in getting something done. One for certain: Obama and the
Democrats won't do anythng. They have too many people dependant on
government handouts and jobs already.
Hey DN Subscriber -"Any DHS shutdown is strictly the fault of
the Democrat Senate, not House Republicans."THAT is just obscene
. . . And it's totally FALSE.Essentially, Congressional
Republicans are trying to extort concessions from Democrats. It's basically a protection racket. They say they will protect America
if we will play ball and give them what they want . . . And if we don't,
then the damage they cause is our fault.That's like a mafia
operation, making store owners pay them for "protection," and then if
they don't get their money, they burn down the store.But of
course that's the merchant's fault. Why? Because he didn't pay to
protect his store.It's extortion and it's racketeering.
Where is the US Dept of Justice? It looks to me like Congressional
Republicans are in direct violation of Federal RICO laws.They
should be charged with racketeering and hauled off to jail where they cannot
harm America and Americans.
And the morass known as inside-the-beltway politics continues. Obama helped
grease the conflicts by refusing to sign the Keystone Pipeline bill. Most
people that want to work together don't start off fighting each other. But
that's the Washington DC model these past few years...do absolutely nothing
and blame the other party. It's sickening to see it continue and Democrats
refusing to budge an inch on anything. Republicans need to provide better
solutions for the American people, too, rather than just keeping things stalled.
@dn subscriberYou have to be kidding? With control of both houses and time
to work out a compermise bill the leader of the house decided he would rather
blow kisses at reporters then do his job. Now you want to blame democrates? So
much for the party of personal responsibility.
@DN SubscriberThe shutdown is entirely the fault of Republicans who want
to hold funding for DHS hostage while issuing the demand for a very partisan
addition to the bill.
"'You have made a mess,' Pelosi said . . . "Well
yeah. You can say that a lot about Republican Politicians.Apparently
they can't help themselves. It's as if they are compelled by some
demon to do things against even their own best interests.For
example, if Republicans get their way in this upcoming US Supreme Court case, 5
MILLION people, mostly Republicans in mostly Republican States will be the ones
to suffer. That's what they got for voting Republican.And now
Congressional Republicans are intent on defunding Homeland Security!First they go out of their way to take our nation through hell and back . . .
Lying about WMD's to justify a criminal attack on Iraq and the murder of
its leader, the only many willing and able to keep Islamic Extremism from
gaining a foothold in Iraq, thus creating ISIL . . . . . . And now
THIS!First they create the Islamic State . . . And NOW they seem
INTENT on holding the door OPEN so ISIL can ATTACK our homeland. And all the
while, they are blaming Democrats."YOU are making us do
this!" they chant.Sure we are.Victims wouldn't
be victims if they didn't want to be . . . Right?
The senate approved it 68-31, which means it had a lot of support from both
sides there. The House is completely owned by the republicans. There is no
filibuster there or anything the minority party can do to stop legislation. If
the DHS is shutdown due to lack of funding it will be 100% the House
republicans' fault. The senate republicans cannot be blamed and none of the
gems voted against the funding. "You know, the House by nature and by design
is a lot more rambunctious place than the Senate," House Speaker John
Boehner said Thursday.
Good! Remember, the House passed a bill to fund DHS more than six weeks ago.the Senate Democrats have repeatedly (5 times or more) refused to allow
that bill to be brought up in the Senate for debate, amendment and passage.Any DHS shutdown is strictly the fault of the Democrat Senate, not House
Republicans.But, you know the media and the Democrats (redundant,
but true) will spin it the opposite.Better to have this fight now,
and refuse to give in to Obama's lawless and unconstitutional decrees. The House has the power of the purse, and need not give in to threats,
or lies about their actions by the media/Democrat complex. Stand your ground
and stop Obama's power grab. And, tell Sen. McConnell to pass the bill on
reconciliation- this is at least as valid as when Democrats used reconciliation
to pass Obamacare.