Tucked away in my possessions is a "Giuliani for President 2008" tee
shirt. I wonder if it would sell on E-Bay. I'm so disappointed in Rudy. I
thought he had more sense than to say such a divisive and mean-spirited thing
about the POTUS. Besides, it's not even original. Rush Limbaugh's
been saying for years that "Democrats hate America." How silly.
Seriously though, you people think Obama loves America?Upon his
election, his wife Michelle said it was "the first time I'm proud of my
country?".She said that folks. Fact! It's more probable
than not that her husband feels the same way.Can't wait for
Yes, and Rudy decided to go out in flames to end his career.
What exactly has Giuliani done to better America? He took credit for turning
around New City City, but if you look at history the turnaround started years
before Giulianni took office. He was a beneficiary of gentrification that has
been taking place in just about every major city in the US. He rode the wave
and then took credit for the wind that started the wave. The truth
is, the only reason anyone knows about him is that he just happened to be mayor
during 9/11 and he used it brilliantly to advance himself into the national
spotlight. Whether or not Obama "loves America", I
don't think Giuliani is in any position to make that call.
one vote -- And it works! All the rabid right eat this kind of thing right up!
For the right, the more red meat the better, and the politicians know it, so
they aren't going to stop.
Republicans value words more than actions. That is, if you constantly spout
patriotic rhetoric and wear flag pins (a form of speech), then a Republican will
think you are patriotic. Just as they think a person is a good Christian if
they talk about it all the time, regardless of whether or not they've had 3
or more wives, lied, had affairs, etc. It's all about what you SAY. Your
actions don't matter. So, even though Obama has had one wife and no
affairs and goes to a Christian church, to a Republican he is not a Christian
because he doesn't constantly tell everyone about it. As opposed to Rush
Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, etc., who are clearly Christians to Republicans.....
The sad part is that this was a fund raising ply by Walker.
This entire discussion and accusation is just one big "No True Scotsman"
fallacy. Barack Obama loves this country and has demonstrated it through his
dedicated service. Please leave your political disagreements and agreements out
of character judgments. The world will be a better place if everyone would do
so. I agree with a lot of Bill Clinton's politics, but I don't really
think he's a stand-up dude. Similarly, I disagree with a lot of Senator
Mike Lee's politics, but I think he is a stand-up dude. He lives in my
neighborhood and I can honestly say I genuinely like the guy and his family.
I don't think I'm the only one noticing that the radical leftists use
the same rhetoric in defending their commander in chief ("right-wing
extremists", "talk radio", "Bush", blah, blah). No evidence
to support him, it's just attack their opposition. As they demonstrate
throughout history in any country they take a foot-hold, including the good
ol' USA, they have no tolerance for any opposition and will resort to
violence to ensure their total control. And I have no sympathy for
Still waiting to see a "real" birth certificate. Obama has hidden
everything that links him to his past. Every state should require every
Presidential candidate to provide documentation qualifying them for the position
prior to placing them on the ballot. Demoncrats vetted Obama without proof of
birth or verification of education. Such irresponsibility should be criminal.
@worf 5:37 p.m. Feb. 19, 2015Hey GaryO,You got to admit.
My list as a whole, paints a picture.You need a list for atl134 to
comment on.------------------The only thing you have
proved is that you have in irrational hate for the President and are willing to
dissemble to support it. You have provided no credible evidence for anything.
Sorry -- until you can provide something credible to support your irrational
hatred, there is nothing to discuss and your credibility is, as in several other
@patriot"No one is talking about "hating" Mr Obama but we do
hate his policies and ideology."Just about every article about
the President, and many that are even remotely connected to him (and some that
aren't at all) brings out comments that are just dripping in venom.
Don't pretend there isn't a lot of hate regarding this president,
right in this discussion people are comparing him to mass murderers.
How can one tell if someone loves America or not? How about instead
of going to work for a major law firm, (after being the president of the Harvard
Law Review), one decides to dedicate his life to public service at a fraction of
the salary and twice the number of working hours? What a ridiculous
issue for small minds.Later, Guliani said he didn't want to
retract what he said and then in the same breath claimed he wasn't
questioning Obama's patriotism. ???
Obama is what he is and true to how he was raised.
"Utefan59" Is that why so many democrats lost in 2014?
Utefan59"Giuliani....spreading hatred 24/7...hypocrite! And the
GOP wonders why their approval ratings are lower than they've been in
history."Case in point...
@PatriotI will cite one clear fact to support my claim that BO's
values are like the majority of Americans that is beyond dispute.2012
Election ResultsBarrack Obama 65mm votes 51.1% of the electorateMitt
Romney 60mm votes 47.2% of the electorate.Seems Barrack got the 47% Mitt
predicated and another 4% of swing voters who did not "think" like Mitt.
It's interesting...After reading these comments, it's
apparent the liberals are desperately trying to marginalize the conservatives.
Liberals are striving (and failing) to show how shallow and incompetent
conservatives are by calling them names and pointing and mocking. What I
don't see from the liberal comments are anything concrete. I don't see
any evidence of Obama's love for the country. I would ask, what has he done
that shows his devotion to the Constitution and the principles of democracy that
has made this country great? Where is his demonstration of American
Exeptionalism? Where is his defense of democracy and his praising of our
Judaea-Christian values?The facts are far louder than any mocking
that can come from the left. These facts demonstrate that Obama has issue with
how America was formed, how it has conducted itself throughout it's
history, and that there needs to be a fundamental change to our Constitution.
He's not proud of America. He wants to love it, but he still feels ashamed
of it. He knows that America can be a force for good if it follows his
ideology.We must see the truth for what it is.
is not Giuliani Talking about the top 10%? That was who he was talking to. It is
a different America to them.
The Republican Party loves America as much as the National Party loved apartheid
This is an entirely manufactured "crisis".Mr Guiliani is
long out of office, and quite irrelevant to our nation's politics. Out of
frustration, he utter inanities on a variety of subjects. His opportunity to
get back into the game of punditry and relevance.
re:Frozen FractalsNo one is talking about "hating" Mr Obama
but we do hate his policies and ideology. I'm sure he is a fine father and
husband and I am told his left handed jump shot isn't too bad either but
.... he is just a terrible shallow leader.
re:FT"He looks, was raised and thinks like the majority of
Americans" ???Say what? I beg to differ sir. The man does NOT
think like the majority of Americans unless you think that most Americans
believe in Socialism and wealth redistribution and most Americans believe in
the hateful anti-American profanity proclaimed on a regular basis by
Barack's minister Jeremiah Wright and most Americans don't believe we
are at war with radical Islam and most Americans believe that they didn't
build their business but rather the fed government made it all happen and the
list goes on.... I think you are soundly outnumbered. No Barack does
NOT think like most Americans and that is the why today even far left MSNBC has
turned against Barack in his "word games" with Islamic Terrorist
nonsense. The November mid-terms said it all - Barack and his policies were
rejected. I don't have to dig only a few inches to find plenty
of facts sir. How about you?
And yet, no one has offered any proof that Obama loves America. Concrete
actions, I mean. There's a ton of evidence that he doesn't, starting
with his insistence that we become Stalinist Russia. Or I suppose he'd be
okay with Mao's China. May Pol Pot's Cambodia, or Castro's Cuba.
Most of those here defending Obama slavishly also want America to be
like North Korea or other hellholes around the world that are infested by left
wing idiocy. Does Obama love an America that prides individualism,
honors rugged independence and a "I can take care of myself" attitude?
Everything about the man demonstrates he hates the idea vehemently. He hates the
idea of Americans worshipping God and helping others out with nary a FEMA worker
around. Does Obama love America? Yes, if America is enslaved to
government; to systems of ideology that hate free speech and self reliance.
From his celebration of rioting (Ferguson) to grand apology tours on behalf of
people who behead others, the man is completely foreign to anything worth
So, posters like "GaryO" can openly criticize Republicans by claiming
that they are, in essence, hateful (and by extension, therefore stupid), and yet
I can't say that Obama does not love America by offering proof of that by
simply saying "look at what he has done"? I don't care what Obama
says, I care what he has DONE. As further proof of Obama's anti-American
ideology, I simply say (again) go watch "2016: Obama's America".
It lays out with perfect clarity who raised Obama as a child and who influenced
him as a teenager and as a young man and what values THEY had. I'll give
you a hit: they did not cherish America. Don't believe me? Go watch the
documentary yourself. Then go get on the web and do some honest digging. You
won't have to look far.Simply put, no one can love what they do
not understand. Put another way, no one can value what they do not understand.
Not you, not me, not Obama.And, based on Obama's actions, I
join with Giuliani in saying that our President does not love America.
@PatriotI would suggest adhering to the rules of "holes" and to
stop digging. What you're saying is he's not like me or others that
were Presidents before him. He looks, was raised and thinks like the majority
of Americans. We have elections every 4 years to determine that.
To "Baccus0902" but everything you claim that Liberals like is a lie."Patriotism is making The United States a great country for ALL its
citizens, not only for a few." then why do liberal policies only benefit the
rich, and the illegal. The middle class has shrunk under Obama."Patriotism is living what President John Kennedy ( a Democrat)said about
"thinking in what we can do for our country and not what our country can do
for us"." Then why do liberal politicians run on a platform of
government handouts?"Patriotism is making sure that all children
have access to the very best public education our country can provide."
Then why support CC, which is destroying education?"Patriotism
is to be opposed to a staus quo that allows the richest country in the world
spent trillion dollars in weapons while some of our children and elderly go
hungry." Then why do liberals justify their policies saying that we need to
be like everybody else (the status quo)?"Patriotism thing is to
feed the hungry and fight against poverty." Is that why welfare rolls have
increased the most under Obama along with Poverty rates?
re:Baccus09021. You say Mr Obama is not a Socialist. Well you are
right - he isn't a "registered Socialist" however the key-stones to
his ideology are ALL foundational to core Socialism including wealth
redistribution. Mr Obama is the first modern president from Kennedy to Bush who
preaches core wealth redistribution with no apology. Obamacare is the vehicle to
achieve a Socialist state and Ronald Reagan warned of this very thing near 50
years ago. His addiction to BIG government - big brother control of our lives -
weakened state power - sky rocketing taxes (including Obamacare) all shout
socialism and I suspect a national poll would show most Americans agree. 2.Yes all-american boy. Jack Kennedy, Jimmy Carter , George Bush all served
with distinction in the US military. All presidents from Kennedy to Bush were
born , raised and invested emotionally in America from its founding to the
present. All except Barack. His influence came from Communists like Frank
Marshall Davis and America haters Jeremiah Wright and terrorists Bill"
Ayers. Barack was not all-american but rather un-american in his upbringing.
It is painfully simple for those who care to see !
Mr. Giuliani's comments, when stripped of the veneer, simply are a way of
saying to the President: I'm better than you are.For a closer
look at how good Mr. Giuliani is, check out his Wiki biography with particular
attention to the section "Marriages and relationships" and compare that
to President Obama's relationship with his wife and family.
You all do realize that if you hate President Obama and if disagreeing with
Netanyahu means hating Israel, that by that logic that means you all hate
America.(See how silly this game is?).
@ Patriot"Mr Obama I believe wants to transform America - by his own
admission - into a Socialist - like state as in Europe. Remember Barack
didn't grow up an all-American boy in traditional America and that
influence shows."Dear Patriot, I do not believe in Marxism but I
do believe in Socialism as an ideal. I wish someday the U.S.A. becomes "like
state as in Europe". Even though I love and support President Obama, I will
not lie for him. He is not a socialist.Regarding your second
sentence there: Please do tell how grows an all-AMerican boy in traditional
America. I have been looking for the all-American Manual. It must be out of
print, I have not been able to find it. But, I am sure your definition is the
correct one, so please share with me/us.I saw a Guliani's
interview at Fox about his comments, he was aked if he wanted to retract. He
said he wanted to repeat it. His thought process seems to be painfully simple.
Is he representative of the leaders of the far right?
I wouldn't have used the words that Giuliani used. Actually I think love of
country is too strong for any president. I will say this however....It is clear to any American who understands even basic history that all modern
presidents from Kennedy to Bush all had deep respect and appreciation for the
founding of America, its constitution and bill of rights and its wars and role
in the world from the Revolutionary War through WWII and onto the Gulf Wars. The
only exception to this is Barack Obama. Barack Obama is the ONLY president I can
honestly say that does NOT have the same appreciation or respect of America that
these past modern presidents have had. I won't say Mr Obama hates America
but I can't say honestly that he respects or appreciates America either.
This is a first in my life time to have such a president and first lady with
this sort of confusing dedication to America. Mr Obama I believe wants to
transform America - by his own admission - into a Socialist - like state as in
Europe. Remember Barack didn't grow up an all-American boy in traditional
America and that influence shows.
I'm just glad it wasn't another pro-Romney ad from the Deseret News!!
Honesty is the best policy. the current commander and chief is careless. He
couldn't care less.
So many of these comments illustrate how shallow and superficual some of us are.
Barrack is a great American who has committed much of his life to helping his
fellow citizens. Some may not agree with his politics, or his vision for the
role of government but he's sacrificed a lot for this country. To say
otherwise is nothing but partisan hyperbole. Upon GWB leaving office, I was one
of the 75% of Americans who thought he did a terrible job and that he hurt our
country and the world with his actions but I did not hear his critics
questioning his love of country. Outside of the small audience that attracts
Fox and talk radio supporters few people question Barrack's love of
Mr. Obama would be a true patriot if he'd founded a company to export
American jobs to China while paying handsome dividends to the 1%. Also if he was
Republican. And white. And wore a little flag pin on his suit. Because those are
the things real patriots do.
Excellent responses, I would only add that if lack of jobs is responsible for
terrorism, then we should be producing as many terrorists as any third world
country. He has single handedly destroyed work in this country. So where are
all our american terrorists.
In my work and travels, I had business with several Muslim Countries as well as
European. The day after 9/11 I received emails from members of the military in
Egypt and Turkey, sending condolences and affirming that these people were not
true believers.I received nothing from others.The comments here are
"You don't want to fundamentally transform something you love."Hmmm, well I guess Abraham Lincoln didn't love this country either,
because he set out to fundamentally transform it in a most profound manner. He was willing to point out the country's faults and attempted to
fix them. That doesn't mean he hates the country, but that he sees room
for improvement. It's kind of weird, as voters we've
become so accustomed to pandering and back-patting that we can't even
understand when someone points out a problem that needs addressing, without
calling out their patriotism.
Irony Guy- you can measure love by the actions of people.Baccus0902-
People decide what's right for themselves. Not liberals. Taking money from
working people for the sake of helping others is theft, and a reflection of
corrupt leaders. After a natural disaster, many people give money,
and their time to helping others. They don't need to be forced by a
liberal into helping.Do you see our commander giving up just one
vacation to helping victims of a hurricane?
@ Baccus0902,You have to be kidding. Please don't compare
Obama to Kennedy, that is an insult to every American. Obama is the antithesis
of Kennedy. Obama's motto, "don't ask what you can do for your
country but expect your country to do everything for you." He is the King
of the entitlement and dependency class; the greatest slavery of all.
Wow, alt134 claims worf distorts the fact. That is the "pot calling the
kettle black." I don't know what Obama feels for this country. I do
know that he stated time and time again that he wanted to fundamentally change
this country. Look up fundamental. Those statement say a lot about what he
thinks about this country. It really doesn't matter though, he will go
down in history as the worst president this country ever had. Worse that
Buchanan, worse than carter, worse than Wilson; now that takes real
@DN Subscriber"And as a result we have a President in his second
term who really does not demonstrate any love for our country."So what in your estimation is the appropriate amount of "love" to
show? This is such a ludicrous argument. You (and I) have no way to determine
how much a person loves this country. I love this country. I spent most of my
adult life in it's service. Is that showing the proper amount of love? Or
is empty rhetoric the way to show your love for the country? Is putting on
blinders to our imperfect history inappropriate?
Unlike Mr. Giuliani, I am not a mind reader, so I cannot judge the extent to
which Mr. Obama loves his country. Giuliani must have unusual psychic powers
unavailable to the rest of us. However, I do think Obama loves
America enough to want to serve her as best he can, to want to face the reality
she faces and rescue her from the horrors of torture and economic collapse and
bloody useless wars that his predecessor inflicted upon her.
Wow. Just, wow!Obama's defenders are proof that "You can
fool some of the people all the time." At least Obama has them fooled.The scary thing is not that Giuliani spoke the truth, but that so many
people are so misinformed, uninformed, or blind to facts that they dispute it.
Worse, they vote. And as a result we have a President in his second term who
really does not demonstrate any love for our country.
Barack Obama values the positive aspects of this country, as do I. But, he is
unwilling to put on the blinders that ignore the real history of it. As a person of color and a woman, I will not pretend that my and my
family's experience of being American is the same as Bill Clinton's or
Rudolph Guiliani's. My grandfather was in a 'colored' regiment
in World War II, and not allowed the privileges German POWs were. Two of my
uncles fought in the Korean War and then had to fight to prevent being denied
veterans' benefits in North Carolina. I was among the first integrators of
elementary schools there and paid the price in abuse. Even today. my
father's side of the family, the Lumbees, are denied federal recognition as
an Indian tribe. This is reality and taunting from the likes of Guiliani should
not prevent us facing it.
My dear Republican friends,I am always amused by your perception of
what patriotism means. For a clear expose of what is patriotism (the Republican
version) please read Worf's post at 3:01Patriotism for us
Liberals in the left is something different:Patriotism is making The
United States a great country for ALL its citizens, not only for a few.Patriotism is living what President John Kennedy ( a Democrat)said about
"thinking in what we can do for our country and not what our country can do
for us".Patriotism is making sure that all children have access to
the very best public education our country can provide.Patriotism is to be
opposed to a staus quo that allows the richest country in the world spent
trillion dollars in weapons while some of our children and elderly go hungry.Patriotism thing is to feed the hungry and fight against poverty.You Republicans may continue saluting the flag and attending Boys Scout
conventions to display your love for the country. We Liberals will continue
defending your rights and ours while at the same time we keep on working for
social justice for all Americans.
You don't want to fundamentally transform something you love. Obama does.
He disses every great institution that has built this great country, from the
founding fathers to the constitution, from Christianity to the boy scouts, to
those who actually built "it".Where is the love?
I am thankful that Worf, ZuluTime, and Say No to BO have clarified what it means
to love America, along with the former Mayor of NYC. Thank you for enlightening
Then there was Obama's pastor who CURSED America.Did he get up and
leave? No. He continued to attend that church and donated money to it for years
to come.Even when the sermon was exposed to the world, there was no rebuke
of him or the message.The point became moot when Obama moved to Washington
and Rev. Wright retired.
@Baccus0902,Taking money from people to pay insurance for another is
not love. It's called theft.If I stole money from my neighbor
to buy groceries, it to is not love.
Hey GaryO,You got to admit. My list as a whole, paints a
picture.You need a list for atl134 to comment on.
Oops!My 4:23 post: My 3rd point should read: " There were many
millions of Americans "without" Health Insurance.I guess I
was blinded by President Obama's Love :-)
"He [Obama] doesn't love you. And he doesn't love me. He
wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through
love of this country," said Giuliani______________________________When I hear politicians say such vicious and abominable things as that,
it reminds me of this famous Scarlett O’Hara line from Gone With the Wind.
“You've lived in dirt so long you can't understand anything
GaryO, your list please. It's very telling that you can't name one
John 9: 24-25"Then again called they (the pharisees)the man that was
blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a
sinner.He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one
thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see."I don't
know if President Obama loves this country or not. I know, however, that:-The country's economy was destroyed and his administration made it
better.-Unemployment was around 10% and now is less than 6%-There
were many millions of Americans with Health Insurance. Thanks to ACA more and
more Americans have affordable Health Care.- The U.S, was involved in two
wars. Now we have more stability and peace-The U.S. was the laughing stock
of the world. Now, once again the U.S. is a leader in the world.- and so
"8. Claims, Americans don't create their businesses. Someone else did
that."No, he claimed businesses didn't create the roads and
bridges. It's pretty obvious that's what he was referring to when you
see or read the full context."9. In the name of Christ,
Americans had slavery."It's a fact that slavery was
justified at times with Biblical verses. Is it pro-American to deny it?"10. Refers to America as causing grievances which has led to
beheadings/burnings by terrorists."That's kinda what
happens when innocents die in war, their families don't like the people
that killed them. Acknowledging it isn't anti-American."11.
Little to no response, for Americans being beheaded."We launched
air strikes on ISIS in response to that."12. Has only attended
thirty percent of his staff meetings."I have no idea if
that's true or not or what percentage of them he even should be meeting.
Considering your journalistic standards I'm sure context is missing.
@worf"1. In a speech in England, he apologized for Americas
arrogance."If a parent apologizes for a kid making a mess, does
the parent hate the child? (Obviously not a perfect analogy since Obama
isn't the nations parent, but still)."2. Has failed to wear
the country flag pin."Meaningless token gesture."3. Skipped Chris Kyles funeral."Who cares."4. Has failed to salute the American flag."First instance
of that I found in a search was a picture of him not saluting it during Hail To
the Chief being played, not the national anthem."5. Didn't
attend the Boy Scout Centennial."They discriminate against LGBT
youth then anyway. "6. No response to Benghazi"Called it an act of terror within days. "7. Didn't go to
France to meet world leaders concerning terrorism."That's
not evidence of any hatred for America and he's leading a summit on the
matter right now.
Worf -Your list of lies, distortions, and insignificant facts from
Right Wing Radio aren't any more impressive than a list of lies and
distortions, and insignificant facts from anywhere else.Sure, they
are of great importance in Right Wing Land, but in the Real World, they are
laughable.I could illustrate the complete insignificance and falsity
of everything you said, but that would extend a dignity to your claims they
Questioning the opposition's love of country is the oldest trick in the
game of politics. It's a no-risk gambit and you're not required to
prove your charge, not even if you could.
Governor Jindal! You take the word of a man who claims there are no go zones in
Europe where you have to be a Muslim to get in? A whopper Fox News even admitted
was false when they apologized for reporting it? The man who has bankrupted his
I tire of all the ungrounded baseless attacks on President Obama.So what
was his basis or grounds for saving that President Obama does not love America?
@Hey GaryO!I'll list some evidence of Obama hating this
country, and you can list some evidence of him loving America.Ready?1. In a speech in England, he apologized for Americas
arrogance.2. Has failed to wear the country flag pin.3. Skipped
Chris Kyles funeral.4. Has failed to salute the American flag.5.
Didn't attend the Boy Scout Centennial.6. No response to Benghazi7. Didn't go to France to meet world leaders concerning terrorism.8. Claims, Americans don't create their businesses. Someone else did
that.9. In the name of Christ, Americans had slavery.10. Refers to
America as causing grievances which has led to beheadings/burnings by
terrorists.11. Little to no response, for Americans being beheaded.12. Has only attended thirty percent of his staff meetings.I
honestly hope to be wrong about our commander. Show your evidence.
You can only love America if you are a Republican.
I agree with what Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz is quoted in the article as
having said. Enough is enough. It’s enough for us to point out that
President Obama has demonstrated he’s incapable of successfully executing
his duties as our commander in chief (like Governor Jindal correctly observed)
without having to get into whether or not he loves the country he’s
serving so poorly. The former issue is far more vital (and dangerous) to the
American people than the latter. I think it’s far worse to be a feckless
commander in chief than to not be a patriot. That’s what we should be
discussing. Oh, wait! I guess if I were Obama, I’d prefer to
have the country discussing whether or not I’m a patriot and love my
country than the terrible job I’m doing as President. So let’s get
back to discussing and being outraged over what Governor Giuliani said.
Giulianni's rhetoric was pretty disgusting, but you've got to remember
who is audience was.He was talking to a bunch of Republicans.
How dare Guiliani accuse the POTUS this way!Why even now the POTUS
has identified the root cause of terrorism...it is the lack of jobs. Did the POTUS address the beheading of Coptic Christians? Or the burning of
dozens of innocent people alive? Well, he is now, kinda. These people just need
jobs. Perhaps he could give them some of the jobs currently had by illegal
immigrants. Perhaps that's in the works, because he's going to import
thousands of Syrians without checking their backgrounds for terrorist activity.
And by golly, he's making sure that under his watch, our borders are kept
open. Yes, how dare Guiliani. He's blind to all the good our
POTUS is doing.
I would have a hard time figuring out what Mr Obama could do that he isn't
already doing to show everyone that he does not love the US.
How can Guilliani even say that?Why, Obama started his first term in
office with an international apology tour.He doesn't salute the
flag.Michelle spent the first 40 years of her life ashamed of America.Why would anyone think Obama doesn't love America?
Another "my flag pin is bigger than yours" comment from the heart of the
Hey Rudy - stick to playing football at Notre Dame and leave politics to the