Federal judge temporarily blocks Obama's executive action on immigration

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  • Daniel L. Murray, UT
    Feb. 20, 2015 10:18 a.m.

    What we need is a leader that can rally congress and the white house to get some effective governing done. It just doesn't appear Pres. Obama has ever been able to achieve since he expended any political capital he had with Republicans with the affordable care act. Is the will of the American public just so disparate that there is no meeting somewhere in the middle anymore?
    It is good that any challenge to Pres. Obama's executive actions are in the federal courts, where these type of things should be done. Immigration law is shared by the executive and legislative branches of government. What congress really needs to ask itself, no matter what political party they are on, is how much political power are they going to succeed to the executive branch, because of their failure to come together on issues like this. You don't need to win everyone over to your side, just enough to get laws to pass!

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 5:40 p.m.

    Sven

    Reagan signed a bill passed by Congress and Clinton signed 6 more amnesty bills passed by Congress. Big difference. We learned that amnesty just creates more illegal immigration.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 2:54 p.m.

    RichardB, looks like you're missing the huge forest for a very small stand of trees.

    The Social Security Administration takes all funds into the trust. The myth that money goes from Social Security Trust to the General Fund is just that a myth. Look at the SS website and a few Washington Post reports. All of them counter this.

    But either way., these people are contributing over 10 billion $ a year they will not get back.

    As for your cost of 113 billion to the taxpayer. There are large corporations that get more back than that from taxpayer's funds. If you removed the supposed 11 million illegal aliens from our country the economic damage would be in the trillions and trillions . Now Richard that's one huge gigantic forest you seem to be ignoring!

    As a point of reference. Mike Lee's shutdown cost American about 1/4th of the amount you claim that it costs taxpayers to deal with illegal immigration. Yet no seems to care about that damage.
    Educated Americans and compassionate Church people including the LDS Church are trying to do something with morals.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Feb. 18, 2015 2:08 p.m.

    @SLars, Provo, UT: I currently work in Central America, below Mexico and it is common knowledge that President Obama is going to put an end to their illegal entry into America. I have see them detained at the immigration in Houston Texas and taken into custody. Their has been a huge rush with illegals to get to America because the know President Obama is putting an end to their illegal entry. What is more interesting is the number of people that have been deported since President Obama that I have met.

    It would stand to reason that Texas would delay the Immigration Bill because their economy thrives on illegal aliens.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 10:39 a.m.

    Something to think about said:

    1) "Didn't Ronald Reagan issue an executive order on immigration?"

    2) "I'm confused now? How come when Republicans do these things, it's inspired and when Democrats do it, it is wrong?"

    ====

    Sorry, but you simply do not know what you're talking about. Since the extent of your research was watching MSNBC, I'll help you out here:

    In 1986 President Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Act into law. He did NOT grant Amnesty to illegals through executive action as Obama is doing. Are you following me here? Reagan followed the provisions set out in Article 1 of our Constitution. He did NOT create law! Obama as president does NOT have the authority to create laws; that power is vested in the US Congress (House and Senate).

    As a Liberal, I'm sure these facts won't phase you a bit. Anything for your Dear Leader.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 10:17 a.m.

    Our country was founded on equal justice under the law, not selective enforcement when enforcement is non existent.

  • Lib living on Planet Utah SLC, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 10:16 a.m.

    Can the usual suspects from the radical right explain something...Is this not the land of "Zion"? Family values driven, etc, etc. Correct? Would you all classify the vast number of over the top posts regarding this particular article as "Family values" driven? How about in line with the teachings of your Mormon Church?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 10:13 a.m.

    LOU Montana

    Last time I was down there, those countries were pleading for there young people to stay. A country has no future without it's young.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 8:57 a.m.

    Utefan60

    Like Greenspan you are missing the forest for the trees. Yes they pay into the system (sometimes), but they take out more than they pay in.

    The Center for Immigration studies has put the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion to the U.S. taxpayer. The money going into social security goes into a separate fund (our government knows who is using stolen numbers) and it's used by the general fund. None of it goes into the social security system. As far as taxes go, they use the earned income credit and receive back more than they make. Most are low level wage earners and don't make enough to pay taxes.

    It's all just subsidized cheap labor for dishonest businessmen. With government, business Churches and organizations including labor unions looking the other way. It saves business billions each year, and many have deep pockets to keep it going.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Feb. 18, 2015 8:25 a.m.

    There is a huge sigh of relief by Central and South Americans. They all know that President Obama's immigration plans was shutting the door on them coming to the United States illegally. With the blocking of the Immigration Bill the America this gives them more time to get to the United States and have a baby.

    If you travel to Central and South America and ask those people who their favorite United State President is and they will all tell you, "President George W. Bush because he allowed them to go to America and work." They hate President Obama because he is shutting the door on them.

    Blocking the Immigration Reform Bill is the stupidest thing to happen to the American worker.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Feb. 18, 2015 8:07 a.m.

    Does the fact that 26 states have filed lawsuits against Obama's immigration mandate mean anything?

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 6:35 a.m.

    A small point always missed by the radical right. These "illegal" aliens support not only much of our economy but they pay about 11-15 billion a year into the Social Security system.

    I know it may sound odd, but since they pay in and can not get any out later due to the nature of their non citizenship, this benefits retired and retiring Americans. That is almost as much money as Ted Cruz and Mike Lee lost our economy on their little escapade of shutting down the government.

    I for one think they should stay and continue to help my Social Security. Selfish yes, economically viable....yes also.

    Those of you who claim Christianity, and who are LDS are out of sync with what the LDS Church has proposed. Try that one on for size. You go against your own church's stand?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 4:49 a.m.

    Democrats, the party of no, are holding the bill hostage that will finance Homeland security throughout the year. Many lied to get re-elected and said they would get tough on people here illegally. 2016 could be another landslide against the party that blocks enforcement of our immigration laws.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2015 12:23 a.m.

    In 2008, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights examined the issue, conducting a
    hearing at which experts from across the political spectrum testified, the witnesses were unanimous that illegal immigration has an adverse impact on black employment, reducing job opportunities and depressing wages especially for black men.
    The reason illegal immigration hurts blacks is quite basic. Blacks, particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately male and also disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both groups compete with one another in the low-skill labor market. Business prefers those here illegally, they work cheaper, and are less likely to report an employer to EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage and Hour Division of the Department of Labor.
    Now Obama wants to give 5 million more people work permits in an already flooded labor market, allowing them to compete for jobs against our youth, and especially young Black males. We (taxpayers) are going to be paying for this for a long time.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2015 11:51 p.m.

    @prelax:
    "Not much choice for American's when people living here illegally depress there wages."

    The illegality is allowing illegals in and giving the jobs.

    "It's a shame that business has been breaking our laws and our President has done nothing about it. The American taxpayer is subsidizing cheap labor."

    The shame is the failure of Obama and his side-kick, Eric Holder refusing to enforce immigration law.

    "There's no denying that many blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our Southern border sense that what's happening now is fundamentally different from what has gone on before."

    I would guess Blacks would not have voted enmasse for Obama if they'd have known he planned to allow illegals to flood into the US by the millions, offer them Green Cards and the opportunity for jobs resulting in significantly depressing wages.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 11:29 p.m.

    When are we going to go back to our old fashioned values of enforcing our immigration laws? I am so tired of the wars in the Middle East while we leave our southern border porous (New York Times), and Obama even relocates people crossing illegally (New York Times), locating them in the interior of the United States, if they promise to report to court. (96% do not (numerous sources).

    Stop the wars and fix our own problems first. In my opinion if terrorism was a danger, millions of people would not be living here illegally and the border would not be open. The majority of the 9/11 terrorists were here illegally on overstayed student, business and guest visas (factcheck).

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 10:44 p.m.

    @Alfred

    Not much choice for American's when people living here illegally depress there wages. It's a shame that business has been breaking our laws and our President has done nothing about it. The American taxpayer is subsidizing cheap labor.

    "There's no denying that many blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our Southern border sense that what's happening now is fundamentally different from what has gone on before.

    Not all these fears are irrational,he wrote.

    The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,Obama noted. --it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net." then-Senator Obama wrote in his 2006 autobiography, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 9:55 p.m.

    South California Edison just laid off 400 Americans and replaced them by H-1B visa workers "them furriners are stealing our jobs," is a correct statement. Even Obama has said they were. Yet he gave out 5 million back door visas since 2009, above what Congress authorized.

    Since 2000 our replacement birthright has been at replacement levels, they dipped during the recession, but it's equaled out over the 15 year span. That argument has been used for decades, in 1920 we reached 100 million, in 1970 we reached 200 million and by 2010 we reached 300 million, that was done by record legal and illegal immigration numbers. During the recession over 20 million were out of work or working part time looking for full time. The glut of immigration and visas at that time were a travesty. The excess labor has affected our wages and unemployment for decades.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2015 9:51 p.m.

    @Something to think about:
    "Didn't Ronald Reagan issue an executive order on immigration?"

    True, but they both got Congressional approval for their actions. Barack Hussein Obama didn't. He went to his pen and phone for approval authority.

    "Good people who comment on these posts... please help me to understand?"

    I hope that helped.

    @RRB:
    "Since 2000 18 million immigrants have come here, but only 9.2 million new jobs have been created. Something is so wrong about the flooding of America with cheap labor."

    Not to worry... the unemployed Americans whose jobs illegals have taken, are home collecting unemployment. Which is now for 99 weeks.

    @ordinaryfolks:
    "Perfect example of judge shopping by those who hate immigrants. Pick an obscure judge, appointed by a conservative President, who is known to dislike immigrants."

    Don't forget, there are 26 states that are pushing the case against Barack Hussein Obama's illegal actions.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2015 9:04 p.m.

    @A Quaker:
    "The children are free to stay, but not the parents."

    And, what's wrong with the parents taking their kids with them?

    "In many cases those children are already in school, being educated as Americans."

    I think you'll find that there are schools in other countries.

    "They have no future in the home country of their parents."

    Unemployed Americans have no future in this country when illegals come here and take their jobs... and in many cases the American worker has to train the illegal for the job.

    @Esquire:

    Springville, UT
    "This is a preliminary injunction, nothing more. It is likely to be overruled."

    How can it possibly be overruled when Obama's 'pen and phone' immigration move clearly violates immigration laws passed by the US Congress? Barack Hussein Obama even said as much several years ago when he announced to the world that he is not authorized to violate laws.

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    Feb. 17, 2015 8:56 p.m.

    @RBB: What you completely neglect in your calculations is the large number of aging Baby Boomers who are retiring. Since 2000, something over 15 million more people are receiving retirement benefits from the Social Security Administration. Our birth rate is actually less than the rate of retirement right now. Our rate of retirement is greater than the death rate, too. Someone has to fill enough jobs to pay for social security for the rising population of retirees.

    So, you can see it as "them furriners are stealing our jobs," or you can see it as immigrants are helping fill the gaps in our working population as the Boomers retire.

    Obviously, legal immigration would be better than unregulated, undocumented immigration, but the Congress has been no help at all in reforming the system, NOR in providing enough money to run ICE effectively, so what we've got is what we've got.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Feb. 17, 2015 8:10 p.m.

    Perfect example of judge shopping by those who hate immigrants. Pick an obscure judge, appointed by a conservative President, who is known to dislike immigrants.

    Justice served up every time you do this right?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 6:56 p.m.

    @Badgerbadger
    "I realize those rich liberals want cheap, if not slave, labor to clean their houses, make their meals, and keep their yards, and vote for their candidates, but slavery is wrong, and the cost to everyone else for their house help is way too high."

    Um... you're the ones supporting the side that wants them to think they have to stay hidden and unable to complain if they receive sub-minimum wages.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 4:04 p.m.

    @A Quaker
    That's not true, Children born here return with their parents unless they have direct relatives that are citizens they can stay with. Then it's the parents choice. The parents are responsible, not society.

    From Obama's own mouth; • “There are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. … I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision.And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.” (7/1/10)

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 3:58 p.m.

    @Something to think about

    Other amnesties including 6 by Clinton were granted by Congress. Big difference.

    It's time someone did something for the American people. Since 2000 18 million immigrants have come here, but only 9.2 million new jobs have been created. Something is so wrong about the flooding of America with cheap labor.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 2:34 p.m.

    Got to respect the power of the courts but this one may find it's way up to the SC rather quickly. Let's not forgot how the SC overruled lower courts in Bush v Gore giving America a President the majority of us did not want.
    This all would have been a mute point if Boehner would have brought the bi-partisan bill that the Senate and the WH comprised too. A small handful of Congressional Republicans wanted to craft their own bi-partisan legislation but America is still waiting for this do noting congress to get something done.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 2:26 p.m.

    Didn't Ronald Reagan issue an executive order on immigration?

    I did not realize Reagan was as bad of a President as Obama?

    Oh wait, Both Bush's did as well.

    I'm confused now? How come when Republicans do these things, it's inspired and when Democrats do it, it is wrong?

    Good people who comment on these posts... please help me to understand?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 2:24 p.m.

    @A Quaker
    One would think that you are a fan of the-end-justifies-the-means line of thought.
    I disagree, especially since ONE THIRD of all foreign-born are here illegally. Something must be done.
    As for the attempted guilt trip attack on my Christianity, I'm OK with that. We're talking about deportation here, not beheading. Sensing someone home is not much of a punishment.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 2:22 p.m.

    I wish I could meet some of the people making these comments. I'd love to see how they live. Their chosen careers. Their income brackets. Their religious beliefs... etc...

    It would be very interesting.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 2:21 p.m.

    The long-term effects of unchecked immigration (whether legal or illegal) WILL be devastating to our economy.

    Americans, whether Republican, or democrat, need to come together to help KEEP Americans working.

    Party bosses in BOTH parties are doing their best (albeit for different reasons)to give jobs to foreign workers when we already have so many of our own unemployed.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 2:19 p.m.

    @badgerbadger
    "I realize those rich liberals want cheap, if not slave, labor..."

    Yeah...like that 'liberal' Earl Holding, who's Grand America hotel was busted not once, but twice, with hiring illegals, and subsequently fined $2Million.

    Or the 'liberal' owner of Champion Safe in that 'liberal' bastion of Provo, who was fined $80k for knowingly employing illegals.

    Definitely the 'liberals' who are taking advantage of illegals...especially in Utah.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 12:09 p.m.

    Barack needs to get his cell phone and pen out again and sign some more lawless orders ....to get around the last batch of lawless orders....

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Feb. 17, 2015 11:55 a.m.

    Why do you think we have a proliferation of illegal alien children crossing the borders? So their parents can obtain amnesty! That is a slap in the face to people who are trying to obey immigration laws and are trying to come here legally! Saying we should keep illegal alien families together is a farce! Either we are a nation of laws or we have chaos!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 11:50 a.m.

    So, those on the right now want an activist judge, one known for his strong personal opinions on the issue? This is a preliminary injunction, nothing more. It is likely to be overruled.

  • Thefullnancy SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 11:14 a.m.

    Oh the humanity another judge run a muck. What's that you say? The decision supports us. Oh then never mind.

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    Feb. 17, 2015 10:56 a.m.

    @Badgerbadger, @Mountainman, @SayNoToBO: I'm not a Mormon. I disagree with the editorial positions of this newspaper on many subjects, but it's clear as day that family values are among its core values. We may disagree on certain details sometimes or on how to achieve those goals, but I find your present joy at the prospect of breaking up immigrant families heartbreaking.

    One class of families that was to be deferred from deportation (pending a hoped-for reform of the immigration laws from Congress) is those with U.S. citizen children and undocumented immigrant parents. The children are free to stay, but not the parents. In many cases those children are already in school, being educated as Americans. They have no future in the home country of their parents.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 10:36 a.m.

    Hey wait a second, we still have Judges who has "common sense" to know what is legal and illegal? LOL! Kudos to "common sense" thinking.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 17, 2015 8:19 a.m.

    Our 3 co-equal branches of government and the separation of powers government is working! Obama is not emperor after all! Congress makes the laws, not the President!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 8:15 a.m.

    Obama claims it is nothing more than selective enforcement. Let's hope the courts see this for what it is: He is giving work papers and setting his own rules regarding legalization.
    Such actions are the province of Congress, not the executive branch.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2015 8:03 a.m.

    Thank Goodness! I realize those rich liberals want cheap, if not slave, labor to clean their houses, make their meals, and keep their yards, and vote for their candidates, but slavery is wrong, and the cost to everyone else for their house help is way too high.