What we need is a leader that can rally congress and the white house to get some
effective governing done. It just doesn't appear Pres. Obama has ever been
able to achieve since he expended any political capital he had with Republicans
with the affordable care act. Is the will of the American public just so
disparate that there is no meeting somewhere in the middle anymore?It is
good that any challenge to Pres. Obama's executive actions are in the
federal courts, where these type of things should be done. Immigration law is
shared by the executive and legislative branches of government. What congress
really needs to ask itself, no matter what political party they are on, is how
much political power are they going to succeed to the executive branch, because
of their failure to come together on issues like this. You don't need to
win everyone over to your side, just enough to get laws to pass!
SvenReagan signed a bill passed by Congress and Clinton signed 6
more amnesty bills passed by Congress. Big difference. We learned that amnesty
just creates more illegal immigration.
RichardB, looks like you're missing the huge forest for a very small stand
of trees.The Social Security Administration takes all funds into the
trust. The myth that money goes from Social Security Trust to the General Fund
is just that a myth. Look at the SS website and a few Washington Post reports.
All of them counter this. But either way., these people are
contributing over 10 billion $ a year they will not get back.As for
your cost of 113 billion to the taxpayer. There are large corporations that get
more back than that from taxpayer's funds. If you removed the supposed 11
million illegal aliens from our country the economic damage would be in the
trillions and trillions . Now Richard that's one huge gigantic forest you
seem to be ignoring! As a point of reference. Mike Lee's
shutdown cost American about 1/4th of the amount you claim that it costs
taxpayers to deal with illegal immigration. Yet no seems to care about that
damage.Educated Americans and compassionate Church people including the
LDS Church are trying to do something with morals.
@SLars, Provo, UT: I currently work in Central America, below Mexico and it is
common knowledge that President Obama is going to put an end to their illegal
entry into America. I have see them detained at the immigration in Houston Texas
and taken into custody. Their has been a huge rush with illegals to get to
America because the know President Obama is putting an end to their illegal
entry. What is more interesting is the number of people that have been deported
since President Obama that I have met. It would stand to reason that
Texas would delay the Immigration Bill because their economy thrives on illegal
Something to think about said: 1) "Didn't Ronald Reagan
issue an executive order on immigration?" 2) "I'm
confused now? How come when Republicans do these things, it's inspired and
when Democrats do it, it is wrong?" ====Sorry, but
you simply do not know what you're talking about. Since the extent of your
research was watching MSNBC, I'll help you out here:In 1986
President Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Act into law. He did NOT
grant Amnesty to illegals through executive action as Obama is doing. Are you
following me here? Reagan followed the provisions set out in Article 1 of our
Constitution. He did NOT create law! Obama as president does NOT have the
authority to create laws; that power is vested in the US Congress (House and
Senate).As a Liberal, I'm sure these facts won't phase you
a bit. Anything for your Dear Leader.
Our country was founded on equal justice under the law, not selective
enforcement when enforcement is non existent.
Can the usual suspects from the radical right explain something...Is this not
the land of "Zion"? Family values driven, etc, etc. Correct? Would you
all classify the vast number of over the top posts regarding this particular
article as "Family values" driven? How about in line with the teachings
of your Mormon Church?
LOU MontanaLast time I was down there, those countries were pleading
for there young people to stay. A country has no future without it's young.
Utefan60Like Greenspan you are missing the forest for the trees. Yes
they pay into the system (sometimes), but they take out more than they pay in.
The Center for Immigration studies has put the cost of illegal
immigration at $113 billion to the U.S. taxpayer. The money going into social
security goes into a separate fund (our government knows who is using stolen
numbers) and it's used by the general fund. None of it goes into the social
security system. As far as taxes go, they use the earned income credit and
receive back more than they make. Most are low level wage earners and don't
make enough to pay taxes. It's all just subsidized cheap labor
for dishonest businessmen. With government, business Churches and organizations
including labor unions looking the other way. It saves business billions each
year, and many have deep pockets to keep it going.
There is a huge sigh of relief by Central and South Americans. They all know
that President Obama's immigration plans was shutting the door on them
coming to the United States illegally. With the blocking of the Immigration Bill
the America this gives them more time to get to the United States and have a
baby. If you travel to Central and South America and ask those
people who their favorite United State President is and they will all tell you,
"President George W. Bush because he allowed them to go to America and
work." They hate President Obama because he is shutting the door on them.
Blocking the Immigration Reform Bill is the stupidest thing to
happen to the American worker.
Does the fact that 26 states have filed lawsuits against Obama's
immigration mandate mean anything?
A small point always missed by the radical right. These "illegal"
aliens support not only much of our economy but they pay about 11-15 billion a
year into the Social Security system.I know it may sound odd, but
since they pay in and can not get any out later due to the nature of their non
citizenship, this benefits retired and retiring Americans. That is almost as
much money as Ted Cruz and Mike Lee lost our economy on their little escapade of
shutting down the government. I for one think they should stay and
continue to help my Social Security. Selfish yes, economically viable....yes
also.Those of you who claim Christianity, and who are LDS are out of
sync with what the LDS Church has proposed. Try that one on for size. You go
against your own church's stand?
Democrats, the party of no, are holding the bill hostage that will finance
Homeland security throughout the year. Many lied to get re-elected and said they
would get tough on people here illegally. 2016 could be another landslide
against the party that blocks enforcement of our immigration laws.
In 2008, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights examined the issue, conducting a
hearing at which experts from across the political spectrum testified, the
witnesses were unanimous that illegal immigration has an adverse impact on black
employment, reducing job opportunities and depressing wages especially for black
men.The reason illegal immigration hurts blacks is quite basic. Blacks,
particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill
labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a
high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately male
and also disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both
groups compete with one another in the low-skill labor market. Business prefers
those here illegally, they work cheaper, and are less likely to report an
employer to EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage and Hour Division of the Department of
Labor.Now Obama wants to give 5 million more people work permits in an
already flooded labor market, allowing them to compete for jobs against our
youth, and especially young Black males. We (taxpayers) are going to be paying
for this for a long time.
@prelax:"Not much choice for American's when people living here
illegally depress there wages."The illegality is allowing
illegals in and giving the jobs."It's a shame that business
has been breaking our laws and our President has done nothing about it. The
American taxpayer is subsidizing cheap labor."The shame is the
failure of Obama and his side-kick, Eric Holder refusing to enforce immigration
law."There's no denying that many blacks share the same
anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our
Southern border sense that what's happening now is fundamentally different
from what has gone on before."I would guess Blacks would not
have voted enmasse for Obama if they'd have known he planned to allow
illegals to flood into the US by the millions, offer them Green Cards and the
opportunity for jobs resulting in significantly depressing wages.
When are we going to go back to our old fashioned values of enforcing our
immigration laws? I am so tired of the wars in the Middle East while we leave
our southern border porous (New York Times), and Obama even relocates people
crossing illegally (New York Times), locating them in the interior of the United
States, if they promise to report to court. (96% do not (numerous sources). Stop the wars and fix our own problems first. In my opinion if terrorism
was a danger, millions of people would not be living here illegally and the
border would not be open. The majority of the 9/11 terrorists were here
illegally on overstayed student, business and guest visas (factcheck).
@AlfredNot much choice for American's when people living here
illegally depress there wages. It's a shame that business has been breaking
our laws and our President has done nothing about it. The American taxpayer is
subsidizing cheap labor. "There's no denying that many
blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal
immigration flooding our Southern border sense that what's happening now is
fundamentally different from what has gone on before. Not all these
fears are irrational,he wrote.The number of immigrants added to the
labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a
century,Obama noted. --it also threatens to depress further the wages of
blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety
net." then-Senator Obama wrote in his 2006 autobiography, The Audacity of
Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.
South California Edison just laid off 400 Americans and replaced them by H-1B
visa workers "them furriners are stealing our jobs," is a correct
statement. Even Obama has said they were. Yet he gave out 5 million back door
visas since 2009, above what Congress authorized. Since 2000 our
replacement birthright has been at replacement levels, they dipped during the
recession, but it's equaled out over the 15 year span. That argument has
been used for decades, in 1920 we reached 100 million, in 1970 we reached 200
million and by 2010 we reached 300 million, that was done by record legal and
illegal immigration numbers. During the recession over 20 million were out of
work or working part time looking for full time. The glut of immigration and
visas at that time were a travesty. The excess labor has affected our wages and
unemployment for decades.
@Something to think about:"Didn't Ronald Reagan issue an
executive order on immigration?"True, but they both got
Congressional approval for their actions. Barack Hussein Obama didn't. He
went to his pen and phone for approval authority."Good people
who comment on these posts... please help me to understand?"I
hope that helped.@RRB:"Since 2000 18 million immigrants
have come here, but only 9.2 million new jobs have been created. Something is so
wrong about the flooding of America with cheap labor."Not to
worry... the unemployed Americans whose jobs illegals have taken, are home
collecting unemployment. Which is now for 99 weeks.@ordinaryfolks:"Perfect example of judge shopping by those who hate
immigrants. Pick an obscure judge, appointed by a conservative President, who is
known to dislike immigrants."Don't forget, there are 26
states that are pushing the case against Barack Hussein Obama's illegal
@A Quaker:"The children are free to stay, but not the parents."And, what's wrong with the parents taking their kids with them?"In many cases those children are already in school, being educated
as Americans."I think you'll find that there are schools in
other countries."They have no future in the home country of
their parents."Unemployed Americans have no future in this
country when illegals come here and take their jobs... and in many cases the
American worker has to train the illegal for the job.@Esquire:Springville, UT"This is a preliminary injunction, nothing
more. It is likely to be overruled."How can it possibly be
overruled when Obama's 'pen and phone' immigration move clearly
violates immigration laws passed by the US Congress? Barack Hussein Obama even
said as much several years ago when he announced to the world that he is not
authorized to violate laws.
@RBB: What you completely neglect in your calculations is the large number of
aging Baby Boomers who are retiring. Since 2000, something over 15 million more
people are receiving retirement benefits from the Social Security
Administration. Our birth rate is actually less than the rate of retirement
right now. Our rate of retirement is greater than the death rate, too. Someone
has to fill enough jobs to pay for social security for the rising population of
retirees.So, you can see it as "them furriners are stealing our
jobs," or you can see it as immigrants are helping fill the gaps in our
working population as the Boomers retire. Obviously, legal
immigration would be better than unregulated, undocumented immigration, but the
Congress has been no help at all in reforming the system, NOR in providing
enough money to run ICE effectively, so what we've got is what we've
Perfect example of judge shopping by those who hate immigrants. Pick an obscure
judge, appointed by a conservative President, who is known to dislike
immigrants.Justice served up every time you do this right?
@Badgerbadger"I realize those rich liberals want cheap, if not slave,
labor to clean their houses, make their meals, and keep their yards, and vote
for their candidates, but slavery is wrong, and the cost to everyone else for
their house help is way too high."Um... you're the ones
supporting the side that wants them to think they have to stay hidden and unable
to complain if they receive sub-minimum wages.
@A QuakerThat's not true, Children born here return with their
parents unless they have direct relatives that are citizens they can stay with.
Then it's the parents choice. The parents are responsible, not society. From Obama's own mouth; • “There are those in the
immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should
simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least
ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better
laws. … I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and
unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that
there will be no repercussions for such a decision.And this could lead to a
surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of
people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.
Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to
control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter
how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these
laws should be held accountable.” (7/1/10)
@Something to think aboutOther amnesties including 6 by Clinton were
granted by Congress. Big difference. It's time someone did
something for the American people. Since 2000 18 million immigrants have come
here, but only 9.2 million new jobs have been created. Something is so wrong
about the flooding of America with cheap labor.
Got to respect the power of the courts but this one may find it's way up to
the SC rather quickly. Let's not forgot how the SC overruled lower courts
in Bush v Gore giving America a President the majority of us did not want. This all would have been a mute point if Boehner would have brought the
bi-partisan bill that the Senate and the WH comprised too. A small handful of
Congressional Republicans wanted to craft their own bi-partisan legislation but
America is still waiting for this do noting congress to get something done.
Didn't Ronald Reagan issue an executive order on immigration?I
did not realize Reagan was as bad of a President as Obama?Oh wait,
Both Bush's did as well. I'm confused now? How come when
Republicans do these things, it's inspired and when Democrats do it, it is
wrong?Good people who comment on these posts... please help me to
@A QuakerOne would think that you are a fan of the-end-justifies-the-means
line of thought.I disagree, especially since ONE THIRD of all foreign-born
are here illegally. Something must be done.As for the attempted guilt trip
attack on my Christianity, I'm OK with that. We're talking about
deportation here, not beheading. Sensing someone home is not much of a
I wish I could meet some of the people making these comments. I'd love to
see how they live. Their chosen careers. Their income brackets. Their
religious beliefs... etc...It would be very interesting.
The long-term effects of unchecked immigration (whether legal or illegal) WILL
be devastating to our economy.Americans, whether Republican, or
democrat, need to come together to help KEEP Americans working.Party
bosses in BOTH parties are doing their best (albeit for different reasons)to
give jobs to foreign workers when we already have so many of our own unemployed.
@badgerbadger"I realize those rich liberals want cheap, if not slave,
labor..."Yeah...like that 'liberal' Earl Holding,
who's Grand America hotel was busted not once, but twice, with hiring
illegals, and subsequently fined $2Million.Or the
'liberal' owner of Champion Safe in that 'liberal' bastion
of Provo, who was fined $80k for knowingly employing illegals.Definitely the 'liberals' who are taking advantage of
illegals...especially in Utah.
Barack needs to get his cell phone and pen out again and sign some more lawless
orders ....to get around the last batch of lawless orders....
Why do you think we have a proliferation of illegal alien children crossing the
borders? So their parents can obtain amnesty! That is a slap in the face to
people who are trying to obey immigration laws and are trying to come here
legally! Saying we should keep illegal alien families together is a farce!
Either we are a nation of laws or we have chaos!
So, those on the right now want an activist judge, one known for his strong
personal opinions on the issue? This is a preliminary injunction, nothing more.
It is likely to be overruled.
Oh the humanity another judge run a muck. What's that you say? The decision
supports us. Oh then never mind.
@Badgerbadger, @Mountainman, @SayNoToBO: I'm not a Mormon. I disagree
with the editorial positions of this newspaper on many subjects, but it's
clear as day that family values are among its core values. We may disagree on
certain details sometimes or on how to achieve those goals, but I find your
present joy at the prospect of breaking up immigrant families heartbreaking.One class of families that was to be deferred from deportation (pending
a hoped-for reform of the immigration laws from Congress) is those with U.S.
citizen children and undocumented immigrant parents. The children are free to
stay, but not the parents. In many cases those children are already in school,
being educated as Americans. They have no future in the home country of their
Hey wait a second, we still have Judges who has "common sense" to know
what is legal and illegal? LOL! Kudos to "common sense" thinking.
Our 3 co-equal branches of government and the separation of powers government is
working! Obama is not emperor after all! Congress makes the laws, not the
Obama claims it is nothing more than selective enforcement. Let's hope the
courts see this for what it is: He is giving work papers and setting his own
rules regarding legalization.Such actions are the province of Congress,
not the executive branch.
Thank Goodness! I realize those rich liberals want cheap, if not slave, labor to
clean their houses, make their meals, and keep their yards, and vote for their
candidates, but slavery is wrong, and the cost to everyone else for their house
help is way too high.