Wyoming prepares to legalize same-sex marriage

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  • skrekk Dane, WI
    Oct. 25, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    *** Svenn says: "Stephen Jimenez’s investigative book provides over 100 named sources including Albany County Attorney Cal Rerucha who prosecuted McKinney and Henderson for this murder."

    Only a really gullible person would believe the fiction Jiminez wrote. Even the attorney who represented Russell Henderson said the book was laughably wrong.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 24, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    Transformation!

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    Oct. 24, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    The website for Transgender Day of Remembrance lists hundreds of people around the world who were killed in cold blood for the "crime" of being transgender, including dozens here in the US. And, because dead transgender people cannot speak for themselves they are often misgendered in the police reports and media, so we know others are killed who are not listed as transgender.

    Thousands of trans people each year are attacked in public and private and are beaten but not killed. Some make the news - where they are often verbally attacked - but many stories remain unreported to the general public.

    Trans people can also be fired or kicked out of their homes or denied simple medical care for being transgender.

    The modern gay rights movement was started by transwomen in New York's Stonewall Bar when they were yet again raided by the police and harassed and abused for the "crime" of being transgender. Sylvia Rivera resisted the abuse and it lit a fire that started the changes we see today.

    Before you deny abuse exists, read some history.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Oct. 23, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    @Svenn --

    "I thought Baccus0902 was insinuating that the "thousands of others" were LGBTs living in America."

    The FBI records more than 1000 hate crimes in the US based on sexual-orientation bias every year. And, of course, that leaves out the many assaults and other crimes that are either never reported or never officially classified as being hate based.

    "If anybody has taken offense to my DISBELIEF that Matthew Shepard was murdered because of his sexual orientation"

    Your personal disbelief does not affect the actual facts of the case one whit.

    "the media and liberals"

    Now you're grouping the actual police officers who were involved in the Shepard case together with "media and liberals"??? Seriously??

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2014 2:44 a.m.

    RanchHand said:

    "--- Along with the Jews, Nazis incarcerated and murdered Gypsies and gays. Please do some homework."

    ====

    I'm aware of what the Nazis did to these people.

    I thought Baccus0902 was insinuating that the "thousands of others" were LGBTs living in America.

    =====

    If anybody has taken offense to my DISBELIEF that Matthew Shepard was murdered because of his sexual orientation; I'd ask you to not just consider some of the points I made in my previous posts, but also the recent conduct of liberals and the media in two other stories, and their attempt to shape the outcome:

    Just as liberals and the media created the myth of Matthew Shepard being a martyr for the homosexual cause to push hate crime legislation, they've done the same thing in both the Martin/Zimmerman and Michael Brown cases. Just as in the Shepard case, the media and liberals either outright lied about what happened, or misrepresented the facts to further the cause. In these two cases, the media and liberals were desperately trying to create the narrative that white people and white cops regularly brutalize black men. Only problem was, the REAL facts did not match their false narrative.

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Oct. 22, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    @Sven --

    "Ehhh, no...It hasn't."

    Yes, actually, it has.

    As Jimenez himself admits: “Though this is a work of nonfiction journalism, I have occasionally employed methods that are slightly less stringent to re-create the dialogue of characters — words I did not personally hear; nor could the characters themselves recall every word exactly from memory” -- in other words, he made stuff up. He also made frequent use of unsubstantiated hearsay.

    As one critic put it, he comes across "like an outdated gossip" rather than like a serious journalist.

    Dave O'Malley was the police commander in charge of the investigative division at the time. He has said that Shepard being "a methamphetamine kingpin, that in itself, is almost humorous. Someone that would buy into that certainly would believe almost anything they read." He said of the book, "I thought the only good thing about it was I didn't have to pay to buy it."

    Also telling, Jimenez never even bothered to interview Rob DeBree, who was the lead sheriff's investigator when Shepard was killed. "DeBree said the book includes "factual errors and lies," and that the notion that Shepard was a drug dealer was "truly laughable."

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    Values Voter said:

    "…I find what you have to say on this topic reflects poorly on the religious organization you claim to belong to (whatever organization that may be)."

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    I have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And you actually don't have a problem with me, or religious organizations; your problem is with God and what His Word says, and you know it. You can try and soothe your conscious all you want by trying to blame "religious organizations" for your deliberate ignoring of His Word, but that doesn't change reality.

    Please point out anything in my comments that reflect poorly on religion, or religious organizations:

    "Calling this unnatural relationship 'marriage' is nothing to celebrate over. It is rather something that our nation should be weeping over. It mocks God's design of man and woman and desperately tries to normalize that which is not normal."

    I could cite you scriptures clearly showing God's view of this relationship, but my guess is; you have nothing but contempt for the Bible.

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    Contrariuserer said:

    "Ehhh, no. The book with that claim has been widely discredited"

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    Ehhh, no...It hasn't.

    Stephen Jimenez’s investigative book provides over 100 named sources including Albany County Attorney Cal Rerucha who prosecuted McKinney and Henderson for this murder.

    After Shepard was found, his friends, Walt Bouden and Alex Trout began calling the media, Rerucha, and gay rights groups speculating and spreading the rumor that this assault on Mr. Shepard happened solely because he was gay, and had nothing to do with drugs or money. On cue the media and gay rights groups flooded Laramie to push this bogus assertion that this was a “hate crime” based on Matthew’s sexual orientation.

    Rerucha believed it was drugs that led to McKinney to savagely beat Matthew: "The methamphetamine just fueled to this point where there was no control. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible murder. It was a murder that was once again driven by drugs." When asked if he thought Matthew’s murder was a hate crime Rerucha said: "Well, I don't think the proof was there... That was something that they [friends, gay rights groups, and the media] had decided."

    Drugs and money…not homophobia.

  • MoNoMo Fair Oaks, CA
    Oct. 22, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    Welcome Nevada!

    Raised in Idaho in a devout Mormon family, legally Married to my gay husband for over 6 years in CA and together over 19 years.

  • Values Voter LONG BEACH, CA
    Oct. 22, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    First,
    Congratulations Wyoming! Your state is a better place without the marriage ban.

    Second,
    Sven, I'd prepared a longer response to your previous posts but scrapped it in favor of this shorter one.

    Please continue to post and post often. More and more, I find what you have to say on this topic reflects poorly on the religious organization you claim to belong to (whatever organization that may be).

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    Oct. 22, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    @Baccus0902: In response to your first comment:

    Let's not forget what the root of the word "homophobia" is: Fear. These people are afraid. And, when you're afraid of something or someone, you might not be on your best behavior. In response, some people dehumanize in their minds the objects of their fear. Whether this involves a gang of hooligans beating someone to a pulp, tying them to a fence to die, or a peaceful voter plebescite against an entire class of people, the root of this hateful behavior is fear.

    Fear they'll lose their entire moral compass, if one thing they've been taught to believe turns out not to have been true.

    Fear that society will go topsy-turvy if any changes are allowed.

    Fear their expressions of fear and animus towards others could make them offenders in the eyes of the law and society, and not as they see themselves, as victims forced to live among "sodomites."

    Fear their own children will turn out gay, just to spite them.

    Fear their religious liberty is under attack.

    Lots of fear.

    Have pity on them. Pray for them.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Oct. 22, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    @Sven --

    You get a gold star on your forehead for spelling but you fail history and civics.

  • Contrariuserer mid-state, TN
    Oct. 22, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    @Sven --

    "His death appears to have been be related to drugs"

    Ehhh, no. The book with that claim has been widely discredited.

    "Secondly, please provide us specific examples of those "thousands of other" homosexuals who were tortured because their sexual orientation?"

    Homosexuality is STILL punishable by death in some countries. But if you want just one obvious example, the Nazis arrested about 100,000 gay men, imprisoned about 50,000, and sent 15,000 to the concentration camps. Many of those were subjected to medical experimentation.

    "it should be no problem to provide specifics like the names of victims"

    I already provided some stats in another thread, but here's FBI numbers again:

    "...law enforcement agencies reported 1,508 hate crime offenses based on sexual-orientation bias in 2011, compared to 1,470 offenses in 2010 — the total accounts for 20.8 of the hate crimes reported.

    Of these offenses:

    57.8 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual bias;
    28.4 percent were reported as anti-homosexual bias;
    11.1 percent were prompted by an anti-female homosexual bias;
    1.5 percent were classified as anti-bisexual bias;
    1.1 percent were the result of an anti-heterosexual bias."

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Oct. 22, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    @ Sven
    You wrote:
    "Secondly, please provide us specific examples of those "thousands of other" homosexuals who were tortured because their sexual orientation?"
    Please go to the "United States Holocaust Memorial" web page.
    You will read " Under Paragraph 175 of the criminal code, male homosexuality was illegal in Germany. The Nazis arrested an estimated 100,000 homosexual men, 50,000 of whom were imprisoned."
    You may like to read about the Nazi experiments in Homosexuals.
    You may also read about" Reparative Therapy", electric shock and other strategies to correct sexual orientation.

    Sve, I am horribly bad speller.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    @Sven;

    "Secondly, please provide us specific examples of those "thousands of other" homosexuals who were tortured because their sexual orientation?"

    --- Along with the Jews, Nazis incarcerated and murdered Gypsies and gays. Please do some homework.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Baccus0902 said:

    "However, your inability to accept a different life style may have encouraged those who tortured Matthew Sheppard and thousands of others...I pray that Matthew Sheppard and other martyrs may enjoy in heaven the peace that was denied to them on Earth."

    =====

    First, while Mr. Shepard did die a horrible death, he was not a martyr. His death appears to have been be related to drugs, and not his sexual orientation. As they’ve before, liberals and homosexual activists co-opted this young man's death to further their agenda. That is sad.

    Secondly, please provide us specific examples of those "thousands of other" homosexuals who were tortured because their sexual orientation? If this is an epidemic, it should be no problem to provide specifics like the names of victims, assailants, where, when, and other pertinent data. You've made the claim, I think you have a responsibility to back it up. Also, how much violence committed against homosexuals and LGBTs, is committed by other LGBTs?

    BTW, his last name is spelled SHEPARD. Interesting you got that wrong...twice.

  • EstoPerpetua Holden, MA
    Oct. 22, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    Great news and congratulations to Wyoming for joining marriage equality. I find it amazing that the negatives against marriage equality do not understand that it does not change anything for them, they can still believe the way they want to about themselves. They don't seem to get the fact that they cannot force their way of thinking onto others and expect others to obey them.

    Kudos to all of the states that are joining marriage equality including Idaho which is my home state.

  • TheTrueVoice West Richland, WA
    Oct. 22, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    And, once again, Thank You, UTAH, for leading the way in bringing marriage equality throughout all states under the 10th District!

    Without the legalized bigotry written into Amendment 3, marriage equality might have taken much longer to accomplish. Utah's attempt to create a second-tier class of citizens via Amendment 3 has resulted in equality for all.

    Well done!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    "The Rev. Dee Lundberg, pastor of the United Church of Christ in Casper, said she has married about 10 couples who have not had their marriages legally recognized by the state.

    "For me," Lundberg said, "nothing really changes except when I do a same-sex couple there's the joy of being able to have full legal rights, which I think is a huge issue for emotionally and spiritually just validating families."

    Good for you Reverend. Thank you for showing others how a true Christian should act.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Oct. 22, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Congratulations, Wyoming!

    Laura Bilington, thank you for articulating the contradiction in the laments about "last days." That was spot on. And I find quite unseemly the very self-interested Christian "support" for Israel. (I actually find it worse than unseemly, but I didn't think the word I wanted to use would get past the censor.)

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Oct. 22, 2014 6:28 a.m.

    Every article on gay marriage brings out a few comments about moral decline / decay.

    For thousands of years of people enslaving other people. We had all those years of women being treated as property and abused at will. Neither of these evils has been completely eradicated, but it's sure better than it was.

    And now that we are celebrating that our gay brethren are finally being given their rights as citizens, dark comments warn about God weeping and "the last days".

    As a side note: After decades of not terribly subtle prejudice against Jews, the Evangelicals are giving strong and unwavering support to Israel. It seems that someone decided that the "rise of Israel" was one of the things that is tied to the "last days", and they can accelerate the Rapture if Israel continues flourish.

    So if the Rapture is the goal, and gay rights are a symbol of the last days of this wicked world, wouldn't it make sense for them to encourage marriage equality?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 21, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    @sven
    If respecting people's basic humanity and rights is a sign of moral decline I say being on the decline. Any God that would oppose these values is not a God I would want anything to do with anyway.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Oct. 21, 2014 8:50 p.m.

    Calling this unnatural relationship "marriage" is nothing to celebrate over. It is rather something that our nation should be weeping over. It mocks God's design of man and woman and desperately tries to normalize that which is not normal.

    Just one sign that America is in moral decline.

  • Contrariusiest mid-state, TN
    Oct. 21, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    Congrats Wyoming!

    Significantly, the anniversary of Mathew's beating was October 6 -- the day of the SCOTUS decision. It's great to have a JOYOUS remembrance of that day to balance memories of the tragedy of Shepard's death.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Oct. 21, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    I find interesting that many people who disagree with SSM or with homosexuality feel insulted when they may be perceived as haters. The truth of the matter, in my opinion, is that you may not feel "hate". However, your inability to accept a different life style may have encouraged those who tortured Matthew Sheppard and thousands of others.

    I pray that Matthew Sheppard and other martyrs may enjoy in heaven the peace that was denied to them on Earth.

    Congratulations Wyoming!!!!