Republicans rallying behind religious liberty

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  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 28, 2014 6:22 p.m.


    One BIG problem.

    That man NEVER claimed to act in name of Christianity nor in name of God.

    In fact religion was not involved at all.

    But thanks for playing.


    Same argument can be made for everyone of those case you made.

    None said they were doing in the name of Jesus Christ or for Christianity, nor did any Christian leader urge, tell, or order them to do it.

    But again thanks for playing.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Sept. 28, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    My personal opinion:

    Somebody ought to protect religious liberty. It is proclaimed in the Bill of Rights but that did not stop Missouri's governor issuing an "extermination order" against all Mormons, nor the Mormons being persecuted clear out of the United States and into what was then Mexican territory.

    Missouri, so far as I know, did not suffer for its intolerance of religous beliefs in this case, nor made any restitution for the killings, arson and robberies that were perpetrated upon the Mormons. No POTUS that I am aware of has expressed indignation for it either. So how can there be any claim made that this is a nation tolerant of religious views when such a blatant exception has been made.

    Now that the LDS religion is one of the largest in the nation things have changed apparently but there is no apology made for outrageous past conduct against them in Missouri and other places in the Land of the Free as it is called. If the Republicans prove different, or the Democrats either, I would wish them well. They are all good at talking but actions speak louder than words.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    Stalwart Sentinel blames religious fundamentalists for middle east violence then conveniently forgets that the greatest butchers of the 20th century were atheist secular fundamentalists..He claims "the only thing stopping them here in the US is liberalism". Religious Fundamentalism can be a problem - aka Westboro Baptist - however it is the fundamentalism - not the religion per se that is the perpetrator. The hate based left is truly naive if they believe that bigotry cannot be perpetrated in the name of popular causes just as effectvitely as it can in the name of God, motherhood and patriotism. Indeed the left provides fun house mirror image proof that zeal combined with arrogance and social acceptability actually makes them WORSE as illustrated by the Orwellian politically correct facsimile of "liberalism" routinely displayed on these posts.

    I have experienced political correct liberals to be the least intellectually liberal people in my life and, by far, the most prone to extremism (as again identified by the hyperbolic hate in response to this article)

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    The irony of the posts indicate exactly why religious liberty is an issue

    Darrel generalizes "Where the conflict exists is when people try to codify their beliefs into law." A good example would be forcing the Catholic Church to provide birth control or an employer to provide abortion drugs in violation of their conscience and religious beliefs, when the individual is free to do it themselves. When companies are praised for having an environmental conscience - it is truly bigoted to condemn a company who respects human life. The intolerant left is clearly the perpetrator in this instance, not the victim.

    If the hyperbole of Ranch, who implies that everyone with a different opinion secretly wants to own a slave, is to be the standard here, then I would ask Hutterite if he truly believes " We all deserve freedom from religion"; Exactly why should I not place that mentality squarely in the category of those who wish to have "freedom from Jews." Freedom of religion includes the right to not believe - but not the right for you to never be exposed to an opinion you don't agree with. Again, These posts illustrate classic left wing intolerance and hate.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Sept. 27, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Hey "Truth" -

    "Now show me a Christian who is doing the same, anywhere in the world?" What? . . . Cut off heads?

    Well, you don't have to look very far.

    Beheadings happen regularly south of the border in Mexico, conducted by self-described Christians . . . Mostly not for religious reasons though.

    It's mostly for drug cartel business purposes . . . And revenge, and all that . . . But there is a religious element to it as well.

    . . . Ever heard of the cult of Santa Muerte? It's fascinating . . . and growing.

    “. . evidence suggests that the numbers of defections to the cults that worship a perverted Christian god (e.g., La Familia Michoacana and Los Caballeros Templarios) and the various unsanctioned saints (e.g., Jesús Malverde, Juan Soldado, and Santa Muerte) have grown for years.” – FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin

    Look it up.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    Sept. 27, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    If you want to find out if their's a war on religion, just read some of the comments here. Alot of hostile people towards religion. Yes, their's a war on relgion.

  • jimmyliberal SLC, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    @Truth: You eloquently stated..."In Christian Oklahoma, a dark skinned muslim cut the head off of a Woman and stabbed another? Now show me a Christian who is doing the same, anywhere in the world? Did I get your ATTENTION"!

    Hopefully this post backed by FACTS will get your attention!

    (1)Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
    (2)Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. 
    (3)Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, (4)1994 Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
    (5) The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996 (6) The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998 .
    (7) The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
    (8)The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 9:12 p.m.


    Now show me a Christian who is doing the same, anywhere in the world?


    Well, not a beheading, or stabbing, but I know of a white Christian that, in Christian Oklahoma bombed a Federal Building and killed 200 people.


    Christians have plenty of blood on their hands to be pointing at Muslims. Our Master, being the number 1 pacifist of all time, being the All Powerful God, admonished Peter, who was trying to protect Him that those who take the sword shall also perish by the sword.

    Those who claim to be his most ardent of followers are the among those that beat most loudly the drums of war.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 6:50 p.m.

    I want to know what candidates of any or no party believe in with regard to Life, Liberty, Property and the Constitution of the United States. That is basic, and they need to speak clearly and go on record. I also want to know if I can trust to keep their word.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 26, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    @TRUTH – “In Christian Oklahoma, a dark skinned muslim cut the head off of a Woman and stabbed another?”

    Would that act have been any less deplorable if it were a light skinned Muslim?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    @Ranchhand......If you don't believe that you're not paying attention to international news?

    Whose not paying don't have to go to international extremes to find News?

    In Christian Oklahoma, a dark skinned muslim cut the head off of a Woman and stabbed another? Now show me a Christian who is doing the same, anywhere in the world?

    Did I get your ATTENTION!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 3:23 p.m.

    with Obama defending Islam and attacking Jews, someone needs to defend everyday Americans?

    Good on you Sen. Cruz! Good Riddance Obama/Weiner/Holder

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 1:45 p.m.


    I know what I compared this to. Christian extremists are nearly identical to Muslim extremists. If you don't believe that you're not paying attention to international news.

  • tennerifa Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    When fascism comes to America,it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 1:37 p.m.

    Here they go again. Seems the GOP just can't get out of it's own way when they self destruct every election year. If this is a key platform it's a losing one. Outside of a few, already, Republican, districts this will turn off independent voters.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    13 signers of the Constitution were Free Masons, and "religious men" However they had three simple rules.

    1. Men must be allowed to believe in Their God, whatever that is?
    2. A belief in God usually encourages men to good works. (But not always)
    3. Religion must never be used to rule or make laws.

    It was shocking after we hear so many times how religious these people were etc. They all agreed that religion must have no part in the government of this country.

    They believed that good people would make good laws.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 26, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    LP Grad, BYU Alum,
    "....Laws requiring that doctors doing abortions have hospital privileges are aimed at protecting women from under-qualified people...."

    Sounds good, doesn't it? But if that was the true purpose of the provision, its scope should cover eye clinics, pediatrics, geriatrics, infectious diseases, cardiology, and numerous other classes of specialty clinics. It was aimed exclusively at abortion clinics for reasons that should be self-evident. Trying to make it be about patient protection is not the least bit credible to me.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Now the President of the United States must obey the Israeli government in order to be good Christians? Ted Cruz has gone off his rocker.

  • LP Grad, BYU Alum Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    Every post thus far has claimed "religion is stripping away my rights!" What utter nonsense.

    People need to learn to differentiate between people and religion. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee do not represent religion. Until they are hired as spokesmen for their respective faiths, they do not represent religion.

    Also, since when have laws been passed because of religion? Laws requiring that doctors doing abortions have hospital privileges are aimed at protecting women from under-qualified people. What's to stop doctors from getting privileges or clinics from hiring doctors with privileges? Absolutely nothing. People point to alcohol laws in SLC as religious, but in reality, they're designed to protect against underage and binge drinking. If the laws were based on religion, the courts would have struck them down by now. That the laws are still existing should indicate a lack of religious bias "stripping me of my rights."

    People like creating villains for their perceived hardships, and the left's biggest boogeyman is religion. In reality, they argue against sound public policy.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 26, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    I think that most of the posters on this forum have stumbled over their stereotypes.

    Ranch, you have no concept of Islamic fundamentalists, Taliban, etc to make the comparison you did.

    Anyhow, the Democrats used to be the party of Kennedy and sticking up for the oppressed. They used to stand for civil and human rights.

    What we are getting from them is that they think abortion clinics should be less safe, that they are safe enough and that businesses should not be guided by a conscience, they exist only to make money.

    There is a hole in American politics where the Democrats used to stand and the Republicans have finally had enough sense to recognize this and they are moving to fill that hole.

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Sept. 26, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Yes, its bogus but its much more nefarious than that. By stressing diversionary issues like this the republicans disguise the real agenda which is flatten the tax code and to raise taxes on poor and middle class people and lower them on rich people. Check out Mike Lee's tax proposal from a few days ago in this paper. They get your support on social issues they don't really care about so they can pick your pockets.

  • Ceasar Carriere, MS
    Sept. 26, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    That's the beauty of it all, isn't it? Such "poor", "suppressed" people fighting for their religion. Well, there is nothing to fight. Obama has not in any way limited our religious freedoms. We wish to believe so because it is human nature to believe the worst, most dramatic things have been planned by diabolical people as a part of an "evil scheme." The simple reality is that belligerent conservatives are simply putting on a show for their own self-righteousness.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Sadly it is the same tired version of "liberty" they usually shop around, they want religious liberty for those that have the same religous views as them to impose those views on the rest of us that have different beliefs. Believe it or not there are actually religous people and religions that do not share republican beliefs about social hot bottom issues.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Sept. 26, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    "Obama's attack on religious liberty?"

    Obama has made NO attacks on Religious Liberty. Only in the minds of wrong-thinking Right Wingers has Obama made any attack on religious liberty.

    The President has defended the Constitution however, including the First Amendment. And that's what has gotten so many "Conservatives" so very upset.

    Obama and all truly freedom loving Americans realize the importance of an underlying American principle . . . The Separation of Church and State . . . Now renamed the "Government's War on Religion," by "Conservative" propagandists.

    Near-sighted Religionists insist that anything that obstructs their religion from asserting itself in forming government policy is wrong. But that's not a Wrong. It's a American Right. We the people have a right to follow the Religion (or no religion) of OUR choice . . . And NOT be suppressed by the Religion of YOUR choice.

    True freedom-loving Americans don't want to be ground down under the heel of YOUR religion.

    Get used to it.

    BTW, how would you feel if Evangelicals gained power and by government decree declared Mormonism to be unlawful and "a dangerous cult."

    Would you protect the freedom of their religion to suppress your religion?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 26, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    This is a bogus issue. Religious liberty in America has never been stronger than it is today.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    I don't think anyone is against Freedom of Religion.

    Where the conflict exists is when people try to codify their beliefs into law.

    Ironically, those who are convinced that Sharia Law is coming to the United States are the very ones trying to codify their religion into law.

    We are no less free to practice our religion today than we were 50 years ago.

    To be consistent those claiming religious freedom must be absolute should be rallying at the capitol decrying the State for prosecuting Warren Jeffs, or Brian David Mitchell. They were just following what they thought God told them to do. They should be filing suits in court for those Churches who have the Government dictating to Churches what Sacraments they can and cannot perform regarding marriage. They must also be largely against the US intervention against ISIS/ISIL from trying to place what they believe to be right, an Islamic State.

    Or are there reasonable limits that can be placed on our religious rights?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Most of the "religious liberty" argument is pure bunk. It's effects are widespread however and pernicious, and it will establish Utah as a purely one-party-Republican state.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Sept. 26, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    good. I think it will serve the country well when these :religious liberty politicians" are out in the open and are prevented from taking office or voted out of office. They do a severe disservice to this great and secular nation.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Sept. 26, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    This is the new dog whistle for conservatives. Religious liberty? I suppose that "states rights" call was tainted by its segregationist past, so a new one had to be invented. But Religious liberty?

    How many Christian bashings are going on in the country? Are we passing laws forbidding evangelical churches? Did I miss the secret administration order to burn fundamentalist texts and holy books? Are we starting to tax churches?

    An obvious overreaction to conditions in this country. There is obviously persecution in other countries of ethnic/religious minorities by the Islamic majorities in Africa and Asia. Ironically, that is what would happen here by the so-called Christian fundamentalists, evangelicals and other fellow travelers if they had their way. What they really seek is theocracy, they just don't like it when they are in the minority in other countries.

    Bah humbug to this.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Sept. 26, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Corporations are now "people" of faith and the corporation's religious conscious trumps employee rights; yet the attack is on religious liberty?

    Also, I can't help but note the incredible irony that this article uses the last paragraph to mention a terrible crisis in the Middle East that is being caused by religious fundamentalists. On a Venn Diagram, the Value Voters Summit has about 80% overlap with ISIS - the only thing stopping them here in the US is liberalism.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    We all deserve freedom from religion. I'm all for religious liberty.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Their next rallying point: Separate drinking fountains, restaurants, bathrooms, etc. for Blacks and Whites. Can't possibly have them using the same facilities! That's an attack on our religious liberty.

    Then, they'll add anti-miscegenation laws back onto the books, God certainly didn't want the races to mix!!

    Then, women will all be required to cover their heads, and ankles. Ankles!!! Such wantoness!!

    Good grief, Republicans. Get a grip.