Ohio's gay marriage debate goes beyond courtroom

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  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    One day, we'll let Him decide the matter. What "churches", "civil rights groups" or "polls" say will NOT matter one iota. It will be an interesting day.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 9:33 p.m.


    Speaking your opinion in public and doing everything in your power to deny equality to other citizens is not tolerance.

    Calling you on the bigotry (yes, it is bigotry) is not "hate speech", nor is it "religious bigotry".

    Aug. 5, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    Red Corvette: "I am guessing they include every Mormon stake and ward in Ohio"

    I sure hope so! That is true freedom in action. People getting out and voicing their opinion and belief in the public square. We are all citizens, and we all have a right to speak.

    Of course, this is not the way of the far left. Name-calling, religious bigotry, and hate-speech against anyone that dares to disagree with the left is common. Too bad they never looked up the definition of tolerance....

  • intervention slc, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    @A Quaker
    I used to live right of 5th Avenue the church on the corner would not only have a group march they served water and treats to participants as they passed by to keep them going, such a different world and so much healthier attitude towards others.

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    Aug. 2, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    The article cites an opponent of marriage equality saying "10,000 churches" in such a way to imply that that's all the churches in Ohio. That turns out not to be true. There are many churches in Ohio who SUPPORT marriage for LGBT people.

    For those who think 10,000 churches is a lot, that's about how many houses of worship we have just in "heathen" New York City, including churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and meeting houses.

    Among these are more than a few who support marriage equality, who include gay congregants as full equals, and who practice Christ's admonition (or their own religion's equivalent) to love God and to love one's neighbor as one's self. Many of these fielded groups to march down NYC's 5th Avenue in support of LGBT rights this summer, in front of two million cheering witnesses.

    It's not just gay people who support gay rights. It's also brothers, sisters, parents, coworkers, fellow congregants, friends and neighbors of gay people. Their equality is our equality. Our God is their God. Oppressing them oppresses us.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    True to form, the Deseret News mentions 62% support for the ban in 2004, but fails to mention a poll this year shows Ohioans now favor marriage equality 50% to 43%. If trends continue, equality will win handily when this goes to the polls. Even in Utah, support has reached 41%.

    The case before the 6th Circuit this week, would be the first since Windsor to rule against equality if it did so. It's a a conservative court and panel. So it is the court, so far, most likely to rule against equality -- although the 5th Circuit is more conservative still. That being said, of the last 23 cases the 6th has ruled on that went to the Supreme Court, 22 have been overturned. So whatever they decide, won't be a great indicator of results in the highest court.

    In the, no matter how the courts rule, public opinion is shifting on this issue VERY quickly. Voters are likely to pass equality in state after state unless the courts beat them to it.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Article: "'We will continue to collect and put the issue before voters, so that LGBT families have the freedom to marry and houses of worship have the freedom to perform a marriage,' James said."

    Important point. This paper has made religious liberty a major theme of its editorializing and reporting, but it has completely ignored those churches that are prevented from freely exercising of their faith by performing same sex marriages.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 2, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    Both houses of the Nevada Legislature voted to overturn the anti-Gay Marriage statute. The majority of Nevada residents want to allow same-sex marriage. It looks like a lot of other states who once passed these bans have changed their minds as well.

    I think it would be a good thing for the voters to look at this again. I doubt even Utah would vote again to ban "civil unions" even if they still balked at full marriage equality. I believe a Deseret News Poll in January put those in favor of allow Civil Unions at 57% while Amendment 3 still bans it.