House leaders abandon border bill

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    Just curious do we have a dictatorship or a government with three distinct branches that have the ability to provide checks and balances over each other. The majority of you blame President Obama for every problem as if he were the dictator and hold the congress blameless or I guess more accurately the House of Representatives who when they do pass legislation pass bills that are DOA in the Senate and they know it. How about the congress (you know the folks that are suppose to write the laws) get together and write legislation that solves this problem. If it already exists and the President is refusing to enforce it, then that is high crimes and treason and the House should start impeachment proceedings. Simple concept. The problem is the House has no backbone, all they can do is play Monday morning quarterback and then go on vacation.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:25 p.m.


    Do you really think that law breaking is excused by Mathew 25?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Usually one of the worst phrases in any situation is "well - we gota do something". What that translates to is you have no idea what to do so you just do something - right or wrong - and most of the time any situation is then made even worse. The better course to follow usually is to step back - rethink - and then do the RIGHT thing even if it is harder. Ted Cruz had the right plan for the border and that was to undo this law that allows illegals from non-border countries to stay here because the law is being abused by bad political players for personal gain. Cruz's law would allow the US border agents to stop the flow of these illegals immediately and then return them to their families in Central America SAFELY. That is a good plan where both sides win. However with the corrupt and weak leadership in congress we have along with the terrible White House leadership we have a reasonable solution like Cruz proposed is not going to win ...too much selfish corrupt political players in America today for common sense to win out.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    @Midwest Mom:
    "Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me."

    But money changers get His whip (Matthew 21:12-15)

    "Obama doesn't want to enforce ANY of our immigration laws."

    Barack Hussein Obama is using/hiding behind children to accomplish his shameful goals... not unlike the despicable Hamas terrorists in Gaza. They both musta learned the tactic from the hateful Mongol terrorist, Genghis Khan.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:57 a.m.


    I was not suggesting that Obama break the law. But you act as if the 2008 law is the only one that applies to the flood of illegals crossing our border.

    Obama doesn't want to enforce ANY of our immigration laws. Even adults from Mexico who sneak across carrying drugs and then commit other crimes here in the U.S. are not being deported. Those cases have absolutely nothing to do with the human trafficking law, yet Obama still will do nothing while claiming his hands are somehow tied.

    He wants amnesty for everone. Why should pesky things like laws get in his way?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:19 a.m.

    Behold your dysfunctional government!
    President Obama calls criticism of his policies hate. (What an ego.) The House creates a bill that fails to stop the current influx of children while adding new barriers to deportation. And they wonder why it failed.
    But that is the MO of immigration programs.
    One would have thought that Obama (as the one man charged with enforcing our laws) would have seen this problem coming and stopped it at the border when it reached 8,000 children. But he didn't. Instead he ran an ad in January to hire more escorts for children.
    So, now we have a 57,000 children problem, projected to be a 120,000 person problem.
    If you managed problems at YOUR job that way, you'd be out of work.

    Way back in 1965, Ted Kennedy said the new immigration policy would only add 5,000 new immigrants a year. But year one saw an increase of 92,000. Year two added 93,000. And we never looked back.
    When the situation started to get out of hand Washington did nothing...just like they are doing now.
    Meanwhile, the media shamelessly blames the tea party.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:50 a.m.

    "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

    I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

    Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

    (Matthew 25:41-46)

    "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." (Mahatma Gandhi)

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:12 a.m.

    Why in heaven's name does the US have to intercept illegals at the border, take them in, give them room and board, ship them to relatives in the US (likely illegal) get them a lawyer, give them amnesty while they wait a hearing, get them a job, etc., all at taxpayer expense? Just let them come in and fend for themselves. No citizenship, no amnesty, no food stamps, no government handouts, no free education, and no jobs. They will soon see that they're not welcome and just go home (at their own expense). And, perhaps it will send a message that, if you wanna come to the US and become a citizen, do it the right way... fill out the requisite paperwork and get in line.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 31, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    What good will more laws do when Obama refuses to enforce the ones we already have? Obama will not do his job to secure the borders!"

    Barack Hussein Obama doesn't need more laws. He has a phone and a pen. That's all he needs. What's all the belly-aching about?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:37 p.m.


    It's not a loophole, it's part of the law. We don't need a new law, Obama would just enforce what he wants any way. The law, as written, allows him to send the children home to their parents without a court date. It should not be used for children who's parents have paid $5000-10,000 to smuggle them here. That is not human trafficking. For that much money they could have come here legally.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 31, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    Hey JoeCapitalist2 -

    "We need to enforce our current laws . . " . . . which is impossible to since sequestration (which is still in effect) forced upon us by Republicans, has whittled away billions from the border enforcement budget.

    A new law would provide the necessary funding.

    In other words, ridiculous "Conservative" Tea-Party obstructionism has succeeded once again in harming America and Americans.

    The Republican Party is America's Enemy Number ONE.

    July 31, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    Giving amnesty and not enforcing laws is one thing.

    Enforcing the law correctly is another. The bill is for human trafficking not human smuggling, there is a difference, he is not enforcing the law correctly. There are no loopholes, it specifies who it covers, and gives a out in case of exceptional circumstances, ask Democrat Nancy Pelosi.

    In one case, he is making his own laws, and so far his actions with the children show him not correctly enforcing another.

    He is wrong in both instances. We can and do ask him to follow the law in both instances.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:52 p.m.


    the key word there is "loophole" again you cannot vote to sue one day for not following the laws you pass then expect them to use "loopholes" the next day when you fail to pass a new law to fix the problems with the old one you passed.

    July 31, 2014 7:45 p.m.

    He is following his interpretation of the law. It's for human trafficking, not human smuggling. Also the law has a loophole that allows his administration to deport without trial during "exceptional circumstances". Even Democratic leaders have called for him to enact the "exceptional" provision that already exists. It requires no executive action.

    July 31, 2014 6:25 p.m.

    Democrats forget they tried to impeach GW Bush.

    The bill failed because the house members don't trust Obama and what he will use the money for. Illegal immigration has turned into a poison pill for November's election.

    On the bright side, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) have introduced legislation that would go after the root of the border crisis -- Pres. Obama's executive amnesties and threats of future ones.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    It's not the illegals that will swing an election it's the millions of the fastest growing segment of our society that will. The American hispanic community feels threatned by the GOP and their myopic witch hunts. I want our borders closed off as much as anyone but to think one man can do it with the current resources at hand is ridiculous. Bottom line is the GOP and the Tea Party continue to lose national elections because of events like today. They simply cannot find their own way out of the little tent they live in. Reagan helped cultivate a big tent party that won national elections. The tea party is living in a pup tent.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    @mountainman please provide any actual proof you have that Obama is not enforcing the 2008 law.

    @joe capitalist Even the fox news talking heads admit you cannot really vote to sue the president claiming overreach one day then the next day blame him for not taking action beyond the letter of the law.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    July 31, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    JoeCapitalist is spot on! If these illegals voted for the GOP, you would see Obama shut down the border in a heartbeat! It would be a most serious crisis!

    July 31, 2014 5:12 p.m.

    More money so Obama can make a better "welcome mat" for people breaking our laws?

    Boehner needs to go, he is no more a leader than Obama.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    intervention: "Obama is enforcing the law congress passed in 2008 when it comes to this issue..."

    Yep. You are right. Obama's hands are completely tied and he can't do anything other than what he is currently doing...right?

    There is a problem with that 2008 law that is being exploited by Obama and his illegal alien friends and Congress should pass a bill that would fix the problem (assuming Harry Reid would allow a vote in the Senate on anything coming out of the House).

    But if anyone thinks that Obama's attitude and his enforcement wouldn't do a 180 turn if all these illegals wanted to join the Tea Party, then you are in denial. Not wanting to be hypocritical, I would also freely admit that if that were the case then a whole bunch of GOP members would quiet down considerably about border enforcement.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 31, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    @ Intervention & FT: Obama is enforcing none, zero, zip, nada of our existing immigration laws. If you don't believe it, go to Texas, So.Cal or Arizona as see for yourself! Illegals are streaming across our border at will and the majority of them are getting on taxpayer funded welfare programs! That's why the come! But they will make nice government dependent Democrat voters won't they?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 31, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    "What good will more laws do when Obama refuses to enforce the ones we already have? Obama will not do his job to secure the borders!"
    The GOP's ability to get things done within their own party is what this is all about. Outside of a few right wing, uncomprimising radicals nobody can blame Obama on the GOP's inability for them to pass a bill in the very branch of Congress they control.
    It's also ironic that the State of Texas is on the front line of this mess and their own Senator is the one restricting any immeadiate federal response to the situation. It's poetic justice.

  • intervention slc, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    Obama is enforcing the law congress passed in 2008 when it comes to this issue if congress wants it handled differreny perhaps they should change the law rather then blame Obama for yet another one of their many failures to get anything done. If the GOP ever wants to be relevant again they are going to have to dumb the tea party once and for all.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    We need to:

    1) Enforce our current laws. Passing another law does absolutely no good if the president refuses to enforce any laws that might curb the flow of democrat voters (..errr, illegal aliens) across our southern border.

    2) If there is a real problem with any of our laws (e.g. the current loophole that says anyone who steps into this country from Central America gets a long "due process" stay here), then fix it with a real bill that actually addresses the problem. What we need least of all is some bill that does nothing to secure the border, throws a lot of money at it, and just lets everyone go home and tell their constituents that they "did something" even if that something was bad.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    July 31, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    And Congress' job is to take the next six weeks OFF? They're already suing Obama for doing "too much", while they've done less than any Congress in decades. Does that mean they are HAPPY with things, or that they're pouting in the corner hoping no one notices?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 31, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    What good will more laws do when Obama refuses to enforce the ones we already have? Obama will not do his job to secure the borders!