GOP: Lois Lerner's IRS emails show bias against conservatives

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  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    @lost in DC
    If she abused her authority or broke the law, send her to jail. I have no problem with her targeting likely suspects, our law enforcement does it all the time. Several liberal groups were targeted as well. There is NO evidence showing the WH instructed her to target conservative groups. If there is, we have a scandal. But currently the only thing we have is conservative's typical response that the media, goverment and the academia hates them. Sorry, but I need more evidence than a few tin foil hats screaming that they were all being persecuted by the dark side.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:14 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar: Perfect

    SharpHooks, Esquire, FT. I M LDS 2, Ajax: The left is not really in a position to lecture about "crazy",


    "Is there anything "Conservatives" don't whine about? I've never seen a group of people with such a deep sense of shared victimhood."

    Ironically it is not conservatives who make passive/aggressive victimhood the center point of their political agenda: Your post is an incredible example of left wing "projection" and merely proves the exact opposite of what you intended: (and according to Obama [AKA the ultimate victim] rules, if you disagree with me, you must be a "hater")


    Blaming the Supreme Court support for free speech in order to rationalize the partisan weaponization of the IRS is quite the stretch.


    "Less reported, but true, is that liberal groups were also given this heightened scrutiny."

    It is less reported because it is mostly a myth designed to make the left feel less dirty. By most accounts: The IRS persecuted 292 Conservative groups to 6 Progressive groups. But even if you don't buy that exact figure, it is completely disingenuous to claim that the scrutiny was anywhere near similar.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:12 p.m.

    Did the speakers of those rude comments use the IRS to persecute the political opposition as the evidence here is indicating more and more?

    Baccus0902 and ordinary folks
    The rude comments aren’t condemning in and of themselves, but they provide further suspicion of the abuse of position in the IRS for political ends

    I see our usual ib posters continuing their hate speech, after excoriating the right when BO said the GOP should just stop hating.

    Tell me, sharphooks, esquire, FT, IM LD_2, Ajax, GaryO
    Why is it OK for the left to hate, but the GOP has to mildly accept everything BO throws their way and say “please, sir, may I have some more?” Why the double standard? Oh, I know, because it has ALWAYS been that way!

    Innocent until proven guilty is not how the left here views our former attorneys general. It only applies to liberals - see double standard comment above. That said, if the former AGs are found guilty, throw the book at them.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:06 p.m.


    There is no evidence any leftist or liberal group was ever targeted.

    To claim as such is to want to believe a lie.

    ONLY conservative groups were ever targeted.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    Lost in all of this are two issues. First, tax policy and the resulting burden put on the IRS to try to ensure compliance (and we know there are lots of cheaters in these organizations) set up this problem. Second, there were other similarly situated groups of other persuasions also subject to the same scrutiny. I wonder, I just wonder, if the right wing groups might have been more abusive of the law.....

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 31, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Let me get this right. With Shurtleff and Swallow there was no evidence of any misdeed when the accusations first came out and the liberals here were calling for them to be put into prison. Now, when one of their own is being accused of something they just tell us to ignore it? Where is the consistency? It looks like liberals just want to pound conservatives and don't actually care about truth or justice.

    Liberals should also know that legally Ms. Lerner's emails and the data on her computer should have been backed up. So, either she was illegally targeting conservative groups or else she has illegally prevented her data from being backed up. Either way she has broken laws, and should answer for what she has done.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    bias against conservatives ? No - say it ain't so!!! Really - little liberal Lois hates conservatives? Gee I wonder if Lois talked to Barack before the election of 2012 and decided to intimidate conservatives with the power of the IRS ....nah it couldn't happen in American could it???? Our IRS and President are much too honest to do such a terrible thing.....and if you like your insurance and doctor you can keep your insurance and doctor period.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:48 a.m.


    You are right. Ms Lerner is "innocent until proven guilty". I guess when the other side proclaims "there isn't a smidgen of corruption", it is easy to assume and say the opposite.

    But we certainly are entitled to the truth. The alleged abuses of power by this woman need to be thoroughly investigated.

    So let's stop all the stonewalling, lying, insisting the investigation is a witch hunt, causing delays, and telling everyone there is nothing to see here. Find the truth and act on it or it will happen again, and again, and ...

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 31, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    @ Utah Blue Devil. I do not understand how you can say we are not leaning to a more totalitarian government but I know the majority of Germans believed that as well in 1932!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    I read this right after reading the article about Obama whining about being "hated". Then I read these comments. Oh, the hypocrisy of the left!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 31, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    "Defending the indefensible is getting very difficult isn't it? Sooner or later anything is acceptable from government, as we have seen in every totalitarian nation's history!"

    I wish it wasn't true, but this kind of stuff has been part of "politics" and government for ever. The same thing happened when Bush fired a bunch of Justice Department lawyers for doing nothing more wrong then being registered as Democrats. And just like this, his administration refused to comply with congressional subpoena and many were charge with contempt of congress.

    Her views may in fact be valid for a certain segment of the conservative movement, but, as a public servant she needs to take the high ground and treat all groups the same, regardless of her own personal feelings.

    But we are in no way leaning towards a more totalitarian government than we were 10 years ago, or 30 years ago. You want to see government over reach, lets discuss McCarthy and what he did. We are not even close to that level of intrusion.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Wow. This must be a painful stretch for liberals to defend this woman and her minions. Why would she have to hide behind the 5th Amendment? What is she hiding? If she did her job, without bias and discrimination, there would be nothing to talk about here. The evidence, whether circumstantial or not, points to a pattern of intolerance towards groups that didn't toe her ideological line or were a threat politically to Democrats and ultimately her leash holder Barak Hussein Obama. If this person was at all related to the Bush Administration the howls for punitive measures would be screaming from these pages from guys like Ranch, Gary, and Ordinary. Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 31, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    SCfan. I meant a good politician in that he knows what to say to get elected. I don't think he is a good leader. He has not "reached across the aisle". The only time he got things done was when he had the house and senate at his disposal.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    July 31, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    @ JoeCapitalist 2

    Joe, I agree almost 100% with your post. If you allow me I would change the sentence below.

    "The same goes for Lois Lerner and any other liberals who have targeted conservatives with abusive power".

    I would change it to:

    The same "SHOULD" go for Lois Lerner and any other liberals "IF THEY ARE FOUND TO " have targeted conservatives with abusive power.

    I think we still believe in "innocent until proven guilty". Right?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 31, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    "A former IRS official at the heart of the agency's tea party controversy called some right-wing Republicans "crazies" . . . "

    So what?

    Even many "Conservatives" are fully aware that "some right-wing Republicans" are crazy . . . or act like it.

    America's vast Right Wing attracts crazies who call themselves patriots . . . the cop murderers in Las Vegas . . . the guy who stood outside a synagogue and randomly shot Jewish-looking people . . . the late great Timothy McVeigh.

    What we have here is an ex-IRS official who happens to be quite perceptive . . . Nothing wrong with that. I guess "Conservatives" must be complaining about a lack of political correctness. But haven't "Conservatives" been complaining about too much political correctness?

    Is there anything "Conservatives" don't whine about? I've never seen a group of people with such a deep sense of shared victimhood.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    I am conservative. I personally think that the modern liberal progressive movement is wrong and that many of its supporters are misguided. But I also believe that it is their right to have those feelings and be able to freely speak about their opinions.

    But that does not extend to actions taken by government officials who mix their personal feelings into the duties they perform.

    If there are any conservatives in government positions of power who think that liberals are "crazies" and then use that power to target individuals and group with whom they disagree, then those abusers should be caught and prosecuted according to the law.

    The same goes for Lois Lerner and any other liberals who have targeted conservatives with abusive power.

    Tyrany happens when you let "your guy" get too much power and ignore or excuse their misdeeds just because you agree with their ideology.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:45 a.m.


    I agree with everything you said except a couple of things. I don't think Obama is highly intelligent, or a good politician. If he was, he would have been smart enough, like Bill Clinton was when it happened to him, to realize that after the 2010 House going Republican, and staying that way 2 years later, he would need to bridge that gap that the American people put in place. That's what a good politician and leader does. Clinton by the way, actually won seats in the mid-term during in his 2nd term. (It does not look like that will happen for Obama.) Now that's a smart politician. I didn't like him, but can't deny he knew how to get things done. Obama is a pretty good speaker, but after watching him now, it all seems pretty much canned. Definately not a Kennedy or Reagan when it comes to great speaking. I do like his suits and ties though. He is probably the best dressed President we've ever had.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    July 31, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    What is the crime here?

    Using the office Blackberry to personal e-mails? I'm sure that is a violation. However, I'm sure our Christian GOP friends whouldn't dare to throw the first stone unless they were not free of the same fault. Otherwiase it would hypocritical and that would be crazy!

    Or may be the crime here is that while she was travelling and needed to kill some time she wrote e-mails to a friend using derogatory terms toward our GOP friends.
    No, that cannot be. That would be crazy as well.

    Well, the article doesn't tell us what is the crime, or what is the proof of the crime, but we know there was a crime. But we expect they will dig until they find " a crime".

    This is crazy!!

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    I seriously question the thinking of anyone who would disagree with Lois Lerner's observations of the ultra right. What is wrong with telling the truth?

  • Outside-View Federal Way, WA
    July 31, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    Once again politicians exaggerate the results of polical issue based on a persons action. While she called some Tea Party groups "crazies" she probably had other emails where she called extreme liberal groups "wing nuts" or something else.

    How many groups really had their applications denied? Since all of this occured as a result of the Supremen Court decision that allowed more PAC and Corporate involvement in policical activities, I think increased scrutiny of those new groups applying for tax exempt staus would be expected.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    They are crazies and more. Unfortunately, government has to accept them.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 31, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Defending the indefensible is getting very difficult isn't it? Sooner or later anything is acceptable from government, as we have seen in every totalitarian nation's history!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    GOP "crazies" does not mean all Republicans. It only means those Tea Partiers who hijacked the GIP and think they can launder political contributions through tax exempt organizations.

    That is crazy!

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 31, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Sticks and stones. I don't care if she hates conservatives or even if she hates me personally. If she targeted people and used the IRS to punish them, she needs to go to prison for a very long time along with anyone who was complicit with this. Abusing the tax system by using it to attack people is a serious violation of freedom. Liberals and conservatives should find this disgusting.

    I think Obama is highly intelligent, a great speaker, and an even better politician. I just think his ideas are bad and that he is trying to create a nation of dependents and victims.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Most of us know the GOP is full of crazies but you can't use your position to target them. Still see no crime here and there is definetly nothing here tying the WH in. Unless your one of those "crazies" who blindly hates BO first then creates some alternate reality to justify your opinion.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    Funny thing is, she is right about what she said.

  • SharpHooks Lake Sammamish, WA
    July 31, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    She is correct in her description of the GOP

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    Is it any wonder why she is hiding under the blanket of the 5th Amendment. How many other appointed officials in government who are supposed to be "public servents" have an atitude like that. My guess is thousands. And we all know that the federal work force is very pro Democrat Party, because it is the Democrats that are always supporting the public service unions and expanding government and increasing pay, to the point that having an equivelent job in the private sector pays less and has less benefits. Imagine that. People working in private jobs are paying the taxes for the government jobs that give more. A system like that will ultimately fail. And don't say everyone should have a government job. If you believe that can work, you've read too much Karl Marx, and have too much faith in Kaynesian economics.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    Isn't that ironic! Especially from the so called party of diversity and acceptance. They accept all people that think or believe as they do. If you dare to have an opinion then you are no longer can be part of the discussion.

    The end result, is $19 Trillion of debt. Illegals flooding into the country with growing crime. Fewer jobs. Less benefits. A bigger divide in this country.

    Republicans can also share the blame. However, democrats are mostly in control of this country right now, and have chosen to take us down the crap shoot. Rather than fixing the issues we face.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 31, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    I remember some very impolite comments coming from officials of the government during the Bush administration. Nobody on the right had much to say about it since it did not gore one of their sacred oxen. In fact, they lied to us all about Iraq and outed a secret agent. And nobody has done anything about the former, and only one person got punished for a "technicality", not the crime.

    Now, what Lerner apparently did using (government equipment for personal communications) was wrong. You certainly have her there conservatives. However, to think that people don't have personal political views who serve in government is just plain nonsense. The proof of having views that influences decisions is a bit harder to take do.

    It is obvious that some conservative groups were delayed or denied tax free status because there were questions about their true nature. Less reported, but true, is that liberal groups were also given this heightened scrutiny.

    I really don't see the crime yet, but it does make good theatre.