GOP-led House ready to OK lawsuit against Obama

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  • Jimmyisliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar...I'm still waiting. All I hear is crickets. "A mind is a terrible thing to waste"

    July 31, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    Most Presidents make executive orders in order to keep the country going. They are small such as staying an execution. Obama is using them to make major policy changes. Executive orders were never meant to give millions of people amnesty (DACA)

    Democrats tried to impeach Bush, now the shoe is on the other foot.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:33 p.m.

    Simple research accompanied with deductive reasoning (race aside) will factually show (notice that I do not use the word "prove" because everyone realizes that one cannot "prove" anything to modern conservatives) exactly what our President inherited along with our country's standing throughout the World when Mr. Obama took office. Personally, I am grateful my home value has continued to increase along with investment/retirement accounts. However, I am mostly grateful that my nephew has now safely returned home after two wars which our President do not begin and continues to avoid daily! Thank you Mr. President.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 31, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    "GOP-led House ready to OK lawsuit against Obama"

    Isn't it just pathetic that this is all our GOP-infested Congress can get done?

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    July 31, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    @ old man
    Your assumption that anyone can Google these facts is true. But to say that this fact justifies your calling them intentional liars is misguided.

    There is one factor in your reasoning that is flawed. The person making the statement may have thought that what he or she was saying was common knowledge. That was the case in my statement. I thought it was something that everyone knew. I didn't actually know that it needed verifying. Just like I didn't double verify before I wrote that Holder nailed several large banks and business lately for bad practices, but I'm pretty sure the Justice department did. I thought both statements were just known. That is the flaw in your logic. Someone may make an erroneous statement that is easily verifiable because they just didn't realize it was possibly wrong or needing serious verification first. Thankfully we have message boards to exchange these ideas and I appreciate you helping me see the error in what I thought was true.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    July 31, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Obama is out in 2 more years. If this lawsuit actually gets to the courts, it will probably sit and stew for most of the 2 years. Don't waste (dear The Reader, the word is waste, not waist) the taxpayer money by bringing the lawsuit and also defending it. How about a little common sense--altogether too uncommon.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    The Reader: "Instead of the lawsuit they should do something useful like working with the President..."

    That might work if this president was the least bit interested in working with anyone whose opinion is different than his own. Obama never works with Congress (even his own party has slammed him for refusing to work with them). Instead, he insists they always adopt his plan hook, line, and sinker. If they try to deviate from anything he wants, they are haters and a "do nothing" Congress.

    The liberal posters on this forum may be right. Congress should abandon this lawsuit; go home for their vacation; and just stay there. We don't need three branches of government anymore. We have a president with a pen and a phone. Who needs legislators anyway? They just get in the way of a dictator.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar...Could you please define "low information voter"? Definitely aware this is a talking point on a.m. talk radio as well as continued Faux News rhetoric. However, are those that possess Ivy League Degrees, own successful businesses, pay more income tax then yourself (along with the many that post the same partisan nonsense), favor equality for all, prefer intellect over stupidity and could careless what race our President happens to be. Would these be considered "low information voters"? Definitely not those living in Riverton, Utah which they have more then likely resided their entire lives.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    Continued comments by the usual neo-con right posters prior to fact checking. Please continue with the excellent work. Have ANY of you intellectuals investigated exactly what would have to occur in order for this lawsuit to be successful? Based on the posts I am assuming most definitely not. Just continued bigotry, hatred and wasted time on more nonsense! Our children and grandchildren thank you all.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 31, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    Another attempt of Republicans wasting tax payers money!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 31, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar,

    "....The main difference between the situations Nixon and Obama face is that Nixon had the press and many Republicans against him, while Obama has the press and countless numbers of low-information voters...."

    That may be gratifying to believe but it’s not history. Nixon initially had a far more sympathetic press than any President since has enjoyed. Bob Woodward was a rookie journalist when he and the more seasoned Carl Bernstein undertook a dogged investigation into Watergate that much of the mainstream press regarded as foolish and were loathe to undertake themselves.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    re:Riverton Cougar

    great comment. Agree 100%.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    No, Hamath, I'll stick to what I said without apology.

    It is so very easy to do a fact check that anyone who fails to do so before making a statement of supposition instead of fact is willfully avoiding the truth.

    All it took to find the number of executive orders was to type three words "executive orders totals" and literally hundreds of sources pop up.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 31, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    That it’s a party-line vote says it all. This is the same GOP House that less than a year ago shut down the Government bringing us to the brink of default on the debt ceiling. And for what purpose? Only to delay implementation of the Affordable Care Act long enough to see it suffocate.

    Is anyone surprised that this latest stunt is about that same single issue? I don’t think so. No reasonable person will buy the canard that this ploy has anything to do with the integrity of law. This is no longer amusing political entertainment. We’ve witnessed this surreal clown show enough to not find it any more clever this time around than it was on its first run.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    @ Baccus0902:

    Your political bias is more than obvious through your slanted views of what has been happening under Obama's presidency.

    Our economy is not doing better. Quite the contrary. Unemployment rates have fallen, but so has average household income. What good does working do if your income keeps falling? Low-paying service industry jobs have been added while over 6 million higher-paying manufacturing jobs have been lost.

    Bush did not destroy the economy that was built under Clinton's presidency (with a Republican Congress). 9/11 was the impetus for the Bush-era spending issues. And most (including leading) Congressional Democrats voted in support of the 9/11 war response.

    The housing bubble was primarily caused by the Frank-Dodd (both Democrats) banking bill which forced banks into giving ill-advised loans to people who couldn't afford them. Then the subsequent even-deeper-debt refinance avalanche, followed by the then-predictable foreclosures.

    The USA has fallen dramatically on the international stage. Most countries no longer view us as a superpower. Our allies feel they can no longer depend on us and our enemies view us as an unfeared paper tiger... all thanks to Obama.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    I don't believe that anyone would say that Ex-President Nixon was not guilty of infractions during his time trying to hide from the real truth and facts and disregarding integrity with his advisers and himself. He was a shame to our country in a time we had plenty of world problems. His close people were ashamed, also. I believe just as Ex-President Clinton may have been in his disgrace. Office holders have to beware of pride and power, when together.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    @ LittleStream:

    The only correct part of your political tirade is that the elections are coming. And the democrats are extremely worried about that. Obama's policies, actions and at other times inactions have his poll ratings at an all-time low. Many Democratic Congressmen are trying to distance themselves from the president as quickly as possible.

    And because there is a good chance the Democrats will lose seats in the Senate, Obama has made campaign fund-raising his current highest priority... giving it more attention than even the southern border crisis or supporting our allies during overseas war crisis.

    If you didn't cherry pick the news you read, you'd know the Republicans in the House are doing other things before adjourning. They've recently submitted a highway and transit spending bill and another to allocate funding to help fix the VA scandal that the administration has so far done nothing about.

    Obama promised to the fix the VA during previous campaign speeches. But so far, it's only gotten worse under his watch. The Republican bill the House is now submitting to the Senate is moving in the right direction. That's not "wasted salaries" nor "a tragedy".

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    The number of executive orders does not necessarily imply that a president is overstepping his bounds. I think we can all agree that some executive orders are more serious infringements than others.

    Think about what Nixon did. Now compare it to what Obama has done and is still doing. If Nixon deserved impeachment, Obama certainly does. The main difference between the situations Nixon and Obama face is that Nixon had the press and many Republicans against him, while Obama has the press and countless numbers of low-information voters (and some people who apparently can vote more than once or vote while dead) who worship him and can see no wrong in him.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    Since his beginning he has not towed the line defending our country and principles of our Constitution from a supposedly Constitutional attorney and professor. Getting the Nobel Peace prize before he did anything didn't help his pride efforts. When he told members of Congress and the Senate to vote on the ACA and then read it was subverting the system of elected officials duty to constituents. There is a system for a reason. If we want future Presidents to do the same type of maneuvering as he continues to do, it is sad but he needs to learn he is not a king type of executive. We have Representatives from over 400 districts and Senators from 50 states that have sworn to uphold the law and make laws in an orderly manner. The system has some weaknesses but those are of the men and women who are to ensure the laws are upheld. Even the Supreme Court can be stuffed with people who don't uphold the Constitution or the law of order, as in the days of the judges and kings. They don't necessarily like the prophets.

  • LittleStream Carson City, NV
    July 31, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    I would much rather see the Republicans actually "do something". Like vote for veterans care before they trot off on their 5 week vacation. What a tragedy they are for this country! What a horrid waste of tax dollars their salaries are! Election time is coming!

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    July 31, 2014 4:43 a.m.

    @ one old man

    I appreciate the source of the # of executive orders. I did not know that. I had heard differently and obviously I had heard wrong!

    May I suggest you consider an alternative to your "anyone tries to claim that Obama has surpassed other presidents is because they are willfully avoiding the truth." It is hurtful and unnecessary and really not thought through. Unlike political crazies, there are those who listen. Like "not here", I hadn't checked it out, thought it was just true.

    I'm concerned by some of the abuses of the Obama administration, but less so with this fact. I thought he was going over the top with the executive orders and now I know he had actually been at least "moderate" in their use. Probably on Bush's pace since he still has some time left. It doesn't change what I see as abuses that I have mentioned already, but certainly makes the lawsuit seem less justifiable.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    actually the economy was destroyed by the elimination of credit standards forced on fannie and freddie by barney frank. Sure, other things contributed, but that was the trigger that created the housing bubble. TARP, passed in the waning nhours of the bush administration and voted for by BO (I'll give him credit for that), stopped the free-fall and allowed the economy to start to recover.

    A lot of TARP was wasted, but it DID stop the free-fall, and when Paulsen was still treasury sec, it was more wisely administered than when geithner, who had problems with the IRS, took over.

    The US economy is huge and does not turn on a dime, it took until Q2 2009 for TARP to fully stop the slide.

    the US economy has improved MORE with a GOP house than it did with a dem house, even with a dem senate and the utterly incompetent BO in the WH.

    the DEM party has done nothing for this country in its entire existence - other than start a civil war to keep slavery, which spelled the death of the 10th amendment, resegregated the armed forces, intered US citizens in concentration camps, etc.

  • intervention slc, UT
    July 30, 2014 2:21 p.m.


    11 Republican lawmakers – Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, Rep. Steve Stockman of Michigan and Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas, had floated the idea of impeachment, and several high-profile Republican candidates, including Iowa U.S. Senate hopeful Joni Ernst, put impeachment on the table.
    Then there is the tea party cheer leader SAra Palin called for impeachment in a July $th op-ed piece but sure it's all just non sense from democrates.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 30, 2014 11:52 a.m.


    What Obama has done regarding Executive Orders, related to Immigration and implementation of Obamacare, does NOT rise to that level.


    If he broke the law in his administration, what kind of crime would that be? Was his activity illegal? Sounds like a "High Crime" or "Misdemeanor".

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 30, 2014 11:22 a.m.


    The truth is:

    * our country is almost eighteen trillion dollars in debt
    * we have a president who will not protect our border
    * American education is pathetic
    * gas prices have doubled in the past six years
    * poverty, and dependency on government are increasing
    * the IRS will get you if you don't purchase health insurance
    * criminals, and terrorists are being freed
    * billions of dollars, of military weapons are being sent through the world


    Exactly which if any of these issues will the lawsuit fix?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    July 30, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    @ Worf
    You wrote:
    "George Bush is gone! Let's quit the blaming and fix the problem."

    Not so fast my friend!

    September 11, 2001 The World Trade Center in NYC was destroyed. The buildings that took 10 years
    to built were destroyed in matter of minutes or hours. How long would take to rebuild them ?

    What I am trying to say my friend is that the Bush Administration destroyed an economy that took 8 years to built. It is easier to destroy, the challenge is in building or re-building something good.

    Despite the GOP controlled Hosue the economy of the U.S.A. has improved in the last 6 years. Our unemployment has decreased. More Americans than ever have access to health. The United States is once again considered a leader on the International Stage. All these accomplisments working against the obstructionism of the Republican Party.

    The GOP has done nothing for this country in the last 14 years.

    This lawsuit is nothing else than a strategy to somehow unify their divided party. If they are successful, well, more power to them. They know that beyond the symbolism their lawsuit has no teeth.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 30, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    "This isn't about Democrats vs Republicans, or what other presidents have done."

    Really? Cite a single source on this lawsuit that does not reference Obama's 'unprecedented' use of executive orders. The first comment in this thread, by Hamath, claims Obama has 'far outpaced' past presidents in use of executive orders.

    The claims are false, the Republican base believes the lies, and this lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt to play to that base. If the house had any stones at all, they'd impeach. Instead, they engage in this wasteful, gutless display of partisan politics.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 30, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    This isn't about Democrats vs Republicans, or what other presidents have done.

    The truth is:

    * our country is almost eighteen trillion dollars in debt
    * we have a president who will not protect our border
    * American education is pathetic
    * gas prices have doubled in the past six years
    * poverty, and dependency on government are increasing
    * the IRS will get you if you don't purchase health insurance
    * criminals, and terrorists are being freed
    * billions of dollars, of military weapons are being sent through the world

    George Bush is gone! Let's quit the blaming and fix the problem.

  • intervention slc, UT
    July 30, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    Another good day of fundraising for democrates handed to them on a silver platter by the GOP.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 30, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Hamath, you are absolutely correct. Here is a list.

    Eisenhower = 484
    Kennedy = 214
    Johnson = 325
    Nixon = 346
    Ford = 169
    Carter = 320
    Reagan = 381
    Bush I = 166
    Clinton = 364
    Bush II = 291
    Obama = 183

    This information is so easily available that the only reason anyone tries to claim that Obama has surpassed other presidents is because they are willfully avoiding the truth.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 30, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    The House is within its legitimate powers in taking this measure. Whether it's an abuse of power or another tactical maneuver for political advantage is possible as well. I'll say this much for the House GOP. Those guys never quit trying. If it doesn't pay off for them, I'm sure they will come up with something else in no time.

    July 30, 2014 8:38 a.m.


    Sir, would you please post just where you got came up with your information that he has out paced other presidents with his use of executive orders. I have not looked it up, (just lazy )but I think Bush JR used his executive power a lot more that Obama has but I might be wrong.

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    July 30, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    The lawsuit is a publicity stunt! A waist of taxpayers money. Instead of the lawsuit they should do something useful like working with the President instead of spending all their time trying to make him a one term president as they did for the first four years of his presidency.

    If both parties would set aside their petty squabbles and do what they were elected to do - ie work together for the good of the country to solve the many problems we have instead of all the fighting they both have done. I will have to admit that the republicans have been the most unreasonable and the most hateful of the two parties.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 30, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    The Constitution already provides a remedy for a President thinks has gone rogue... it's called Impeachment and the House has sole authority over that power.

    The Court will most likely say something along those lines and dismiss the suit due to lack of standing.

    The GOP talks of loving a Constitution, they just choose to not follow it when it comes to governing.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    July 30, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    I agree with the Republicans here. President Obama is seemingly cherry picking which laws to enforce. For example, Holder is doing an outstanding job nailing corporate greed. Banks, Johnson and Johnson, Southwest, etc. the list goes on an on. The Justice Department is enforcing federal law in these lines. Much better than Bush's administration did. But the President has openly stated that he will not enforce law after law that he disagrees with. (marijuana and other drug laws, same sex marriage bans, etc, not to mention the Affordable Care Act issue that the Republicans bring up here). He should execute the laws as he has sworn and allow the normal process to overturn them. His use of executive orders has far far outpaced other presidents and does seem like legislating and not executing the law. The ACA issue does seem to stink of political expediency.